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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:38 am
by Mister Bushice
Fucking self righteous asshole.
Bush wipes away Libby's prison sentence

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Just when things looked darkest for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, when prison seemed all but certain, President Bush wiped away the former White House aide's 2 1/2-year sentence in the CIA leak case.


Bush's move came Monday, just five hours after a federal appeals panel ruled that Libby could not delay his prison term. His prospects for an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court seemed bleak. The former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, Libby was just waiting for a date to surrender.

After months of sidestepping pardon questions, Bush stepped in. He did not issue a pardon but erased a prison sentence that he felt was just too harsh.

"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a written statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend 30 months in prison."

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald disputed the president's assertion that the prison term was excessive. Libby was sentenced under the same laws as other criminals, Fitzgerald said. "It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals."

Libby's attorney, Theodore Wells, said in a statement that the Libby family was grateful for Bush's action and continued to believe in his innocence.

Because he was not pardoned, Libby remains the highest-ranking White House official convicted of a crime since the Iran-Contra affair. But he won't have to serve a day in prison, a fact that his friends cheered, even those who wished he'd received a full pardon.

"That's fantastic. It's a great relief," said former Ambassador Richard Carlson, who helped raise millions for Libby's defense fund. "Scooter Libby did not deserve to go to prison and I'm glad the president had the courage to do this."

Though the leak investigation is complete and nobody will have to serve prison time, the scandal that has loomed over the Bush administration for years did not subside. Democrats were enraged.

"Libby's conviction was the one faint glimmer of accountability for White House efforts to manipulate intelligence and silence critics of the Iraq war," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. "Now, even that small bit of justice has been undone."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's decision showed the president "condones criminal conduct."

The president left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for his conviction of lying and obstructing justice in a probe into the leak of a CIA operative's identity. The former operative, Valerie Plame, contends the White House was trying to discredit her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a critic of Bush's Iraq policy.

"Congress ought to conduct an investigation of whether or not the president himself is a participant in the obstruction of justice," Wilson told The Santa Fe New Mexican in a telephone interview.

Wilson, Plame and their children moved to Santa Fe earlier this year.

Bush said his action still "leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby."

The leak case has hung over the White House for years. Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald questioned top administration officials, including Bush and Cheney, about their possible roles. And Libby's trial revealed the extraordinary steps that Bush and Cheney were willing to take to discredit a critic of the Iraq war.

Nobody was ever charged with the leak, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage or White House political adviser Karl Rove, who provided the information for the original article. Prosecutors said Libby obstructed the investigation by lying about how he learned about Plame and whom he told.

Already at record lows in the polls, Bush risked a political backlash with his decision. President Ford tumbled in the polls after his 1974 pardon of Richard M. Nixon, and the decision was a factor in Ford's loss in the 1976 election.

Bush's father — former President George H.W. Bush — issued pardons shortly before leaving office in 1992 for former Defense Secretary Caspar W. Weinberger and five other former officials who had served in the Reagan administration. The six were involved in the Iran-Contra affair, in which arms were secretly sold to Iran to win the freedom of American hostages, then the money was funneled to anti-communist guerrillas in Nicaragua despite a congressional ban on military aid.

On Monday, White House officials said Bush knew he could take political heat for commuting Libby's prison sentence and simply did what he thought was right. They would not say what advice Cheney might have given the president.

Bush said Cheney's former aide was not getting off free.

"The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged," Bush said. "His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant and private citizen will be long-lasting."

Attorney William Jeffress said he had spoken to Libby briefly by phone and "I'm happy at least that Scooter will be spared any prison time. The prison sentence was imminent but obviously the conviction itself is a heavy blow to Scooter."

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:00 am
by Y2K
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's decision showed the president "condones criminal conduct."
This is flat out hilarious.......

Those damn President's just love them criminals. That doggone Clinton had 400+ buddies and so did Uncle Ronnie, That damn Tricky Dick and Bushman42 had some special faves as well.

Just how fucking stupid are these people?

and to add the icing, Hillary actually opened her fucking mouth about it. For chrissakes "If there were EVER a time to shut the fuck up..."

They need to add another ring to this shit Circus, obviously the retarded Clowns get all the fucking run....

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:11 am
by Mr. Belvedere
Y2K wrote:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's decision showed the president "condones criminal conduct."
This is flat out hilarious.......

Those damn President's just love them criminals. That doggone Clinton had 400+ buddies and so did Uncle Ronnie, That damn Tricky Dick and Bushman42 had some special faves as well.

Just how fucking stupid are these people?

and to add the icing, Hillary actually opened her fucking mouth about it. For chrissakes "If there were EVER a time to shut the fuck up..."

They need to add another ring to this shit Circus, obviously the retarded Clowns get all the fucking run....
Ahem, funny how the republicunts bring up the pardons at the end of clintons term. They were no worse then Bush one and Ronny Raygun. What shrub just did isn't even close. He just pardoned a guy in the middle of a criminal investigation of acts conducted within his own administration. As Jules Winfield said " it's not in the same ballpark, it's not even in the same league, it's not even the same motherfuckinging sport".

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:27 am
by Y2K
Mr. Belvedere wrote:
Y2K wrote:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's decision showed the president "condones criminal conduct."
This is flat out hilarious.......

Those damn President's just love them criminals. That doggone Clinton had 400+ buddies and so did Uncle Ronnie, That damn Tricky Dick and Bushman42 had some special faves as well.

Just how fucking stupid are these people?

and to add the icing, Hillary actually opened her fucking mouth about it. For chrissakes "If there were EVER a time to shut the fuck up..."

They need to add another ring to this shit Circus, obviously the retarded Clowns get all the fucking run....
Ahem, funny how the republicunts bring up the pardons at the end of clintons term. They were no worse then Bush one and Ronny Raygun. What shrub just did isn't even close. He just pardoned a guy in the middle of a criminal investigation of acts conducted within his own administration. As Jules Winfield said " it's not in the same ballpark, it's not even in the same league, it's not even the same motherfuckinging sport".

Horseshit!

Maybe you enjoy having condesending Beltway dumbfucks talk to you like you were some "born yesterday" ignorant backwoods douchebag.

As Y2K said "If the shoe fits"...

Scooter Libby can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned and it's neither Right nor Left Wing to ignore the history of Pardons and other Presidential Privledges once they went way past triple digits in the last 50 years or so. Maybe throwing GW's name may make a favorite someone's panties wet but it still doesn't exclude you from looking like a complete moron to anyone with an IQ over 5. Gerald Ford pardoned RICHARD FUCKING NIXON and Scooter "the pawn" Libby is supposed to somehow be "a big fish?" Who gives a fuck.

Fucking idiots.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:56 am
by Mr. Belvedere
Y2K wrote:
Mr. Belvedere wrote:
Y2K wrote: This is flat out hilarious.......

Those damn President's just love them criminals. That doggone Clinton had 400+ buddies and so did Uncle Ronnie, That damn Tricky Dick and Bushman42 had some special faves as well.

Just how fucking stupid are these people?

and to add the icing, Hillary actually opened her fucking mouth about it. For chrissakes "If there were EVER a time to shut the fuck up..."

They need to add another ring to this shit Circus, obviously the retarded Clowns get all the fucking run....
Ahem, funny how the republicunts bring up the pardons at the end of clintons term. They were no worse then Bush one and Ronny Raygun. What shrub just did isn't even close. He just pardoned a guy in the middle of a criminal investigation of acts conducted within his own administration. As Jules Winfield said " it's not in the same ballpark, it's not even in the same league, it's not even the same motherfuckinging sport".

Horseshit!

Maybe you enjoy having condesending Beltway dumbfucks talk to you like you were some "born yesterday" ignorant backwoods douchebag.

As Y2K said "If the shoe fits"...

Scooter Libby can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned and it's neither Right nor Left Wing to ignore the history of Pardons and other Presidential Privleges once they went way past triple digits in the last 50 years or so. Maybe throwing GW's name may make a favorite someone's panties wet but it still doesn't exclude you from looking like a complete moron to anyone with an IQ over 5. Gerald Ford pardoned RICHARD FUCKING NIXON and Scooter "the pawn" Libby is supposed to somehow be "a big fish?" Who gives a fuck.

Fucking idiots.
I'm sorry was there a point there among your drunken rambling? Oh and why were you speaking in the third person.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:14 am
by Y2K
Mr. Belvedere wrote:
Y2K wrote:
Mr. Belvedere wrote: Ahem, funny how the republicunts bring up the pardons at the end of clintons term. They were no worse then Bush one and Ronny Raygun. What shrub just did isn't even close. He just pardoned a guy in the middle of a criminal investigation of acts conducted within his own administration. As Jules Winfield said " it's not in the same ballpark, it's not even in the same league, it's not even the same motherfuckinging sport".

Horseshit!

Maybe you enjoy having condesending Beltway dumbfucks talk to you like you were some "born yesterday" ignorant backwoods douchebag.

As Y2K said "If the shoe fits"...

Scooter Libby can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned and it's neither Right nor Left Wing to ignore the history of Pardons and other Presidential Privleges once they went way past triple digits in the last 50 years or so. Maybe throwing GW's name may make a favorite someone's panties wet but it still doesn't exclude you from looking like a complete moron to anyone with an IQ over 5. Gerald Ford pardoned RICHARD FUCKING NIXON and Scooter "the pawn" Libby is supposed to somehow be "a big fish?" Who gives a fuck.

Fucking idiots.
I'm sorry was there a point there among your drunken rambling? Oh and why were you speaking in the third person.
Next time wave a white Flag. It looks more official that way.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:12 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
I'm glad Libby's sentence was commuted.

What was on SIMMER has now been set to BOIL.
Keep slapping people in the face, Dubya.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:28 pm
by BBMarley
Yes- all presidents have a right to pardon someone... and Yes- all presidents have done it. But someone from his own administration on the same day a federal appeals court told the guy to go fuck himself with his request to stay out of jail until his appeal was done- while Bush was still in the middle of his term?

Looks to me like Scooter is making good money to cover for someone and was promised he would not do a day in jail for it. When the attempt to keep him out failed- Bush steps in and commutes his sentence. Who gives a fuck if this stays on his record? This guy is probably making a ton of money off this and won't ever need to worry about a background check for a job... Hell- his book rights alone he'll get for this could keep going for the rest of his life.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:42 pm
by BSmack
Martyred wrote:I'm glad Libby's sentence was commuted.

What was on SIMMER has now been set to BOIL.
Keep slapping people in the face, Dubya.
Nobody ever lost money underestimating the apathy of the American people.

In other words, look for gas prices to drop a little bit over the summer.

Meanwhile, these are not the droids you're looking for.

Hey! Did you hear about that missing white woman?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:13 pm
by PSUFAN
Question - can they charge Cheney with crimes after Bush leaves office?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:23 pm
by Mike the Lab Rat
Be prepared for the inevitable "it's the President's right to do this, so neener-neener..." from the usual gang of folks who love tweaking the Bush-haters.

When you think about it, Bush pretty much has nothing to lose by doing this - Political clout with Congress? Already toast. Perception that his administration is corrupt? That train left the station long ago. Low approval ratings with the public. See the previous comment.

Worst President ever.

Including the peanut farmer.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:34 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:2 1/2 years in prison for having a different recollection of events than Tim Russert seems a bit harsh to me.
You make it sound like just a difference of opinion. Of course that's not what it was and you know it.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:40 pm
by Mike the Lab Rat
mvscal wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Be prepared for the inevitable "it's the President's right to do this, so neener-neener..."
Are you disputing that?
Nope.

Just predicting the typical, tired knee-jerk reaction of those who, for reasons that defy logic or decency, insist on supporting Bush and/or Cheney. Incompetence, arrogance, stupidity, and flat-out contempt for...well....anyone who appears to stand in their way (or expects openness/explanations)...seems to be harder and harder for Bush supporters to defend, but some folks are desperately keeping at it.
mvscal wrote:2 1/2 years in prison for having a different recollection of events than Tim Russert seems a bit harsh to me.
I have no point of reference (either through education or just reading up on it) to decide one way or the other or even if your description of the crime is wholly, legally accurate. I have no opinion on the length of his sentence.
mvscal wrote:Of course, Dubya fucked up again
I have a feeling that historians for years to come will be using that phrase, although (probably) with a more "family friendly" choice of words.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:47 pm
by See You Next Wednesday
mvscal wrote:2 1/2 years in prison for having a different recollection of events than Tim Russert seems a bit harsh to me. Of course, Dubya fucked up again by doing this half-assed by commuting his prison time rather than pardoning him outright.
Accepting a pardon is also an admission of guilt.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:48 pm
by PSUFAN
I think Guantanamo will be closed.

Why?

Cheney doesn't look good in Orange.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:53 pm
by See You Next Wednesday
mvscal wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:
mvscal wrote:2 1/2 years in prison for having a different recollection of events than Tim Russert seems a bit harsh to me. Of course, Dubya fucked up again by doing this half-assed by commuting his prison time rather than pardoning him outright.
Accepting a pardon is also an admission of guilt.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:00 pm
by See You Next Wednesday
Richard Nixon was never convicted of anything.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:05 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
mvscal wrote:That isn't a requirement of a pardon which is yet another clue that you are talking straight out of your ass.
Funny, but your party tried to spin it as such when the pardon of Marc Rich surfaced.

Btw, you do know who Rich's lawyer was, don't you?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:14 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
Rich fled to Switzerland before he could be indicted, let alone convicted. His company later pled guilty, but that didn't amount to a conviction of him personally, at least not from a legal standpoint.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071886

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:53 pm
by BSmack
I think we're missing the real point. Which is, shouldn't a conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice net more jail time than say... Paris Hilton?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:33 pm
by Dinsdale
PSUFAN wrote:Question - can they charge Cheney with crimes after Bush leaves office?

Yes. The VP doesn't get the same immunity from prosecution for acts committed while in office that the pres does.

Shrub is off-limits. Cheney is not.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:46 pm
by Mister Bushice
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:I think we're missing the real point. Which is, shouldn't a conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice net more jail time than say... Paris Hilton?
Not for this politically motivated, 'he said - he said' circle jerk.
This is even missing the point. This is Bush shoving his thumb up the ass of the justice system all the while his mouth is spewing "respect" for the jurys decision. This is just him playing the same bullshit game he's been playing since day one, which is " We can work together well as long as you do everything my way, and if you don't then we'll do it my way anyway"

Maybe not the worst president ever, but certainly the worst moden day one.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:00 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
Dinsdale wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Question - can they charge Cheney with crimes after Bush leaves office?

Yes. The VP doesn't get the same immunity from prosecution for acts committed while in office that the pres does.

Shrub is off-limits. Cheney is not.
The President is only off-limits while sitting as President. (Actually, he's not completely off-limits while sitting, but prosecution of a sitting President is limited to the impeachment procedure outlined in Article II of the Constitution.) Once the President leaves office, though, he's fair game.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:00 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:I think we're missing the real point. Which is, shouldn't a conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice net more jail time than say... Paris Hilton?
Not for this politically motivated, 'he said - he said' circle jerk.
There was a conviction by a jury of his peers. Was there not?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:02 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
mvscal wrote:All pardons and commutations are, by definition, an executive thumb up the ass of the judicial system.
The difference between this one and the others, though, is that this one was motivated by a desire to protect the current Administration.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:16 pm
by Dinsdale
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Once the President leaves office, though, he's fair game.

If my understanding of this law is correct(I just read it recently), he's still immune to anything he may have done while serving as president. Crimes committed before or after his tenure aren't protected, but everything done while pres isn't subject to prosecution...if'n I'm not mistaken.


The VP, on the other hand, enjoys no such protection.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:23 pm
by PSUFAN
I think Cheney is at risk after Bush gets airlifted out of there. I would expect him to be investigated and charges brought within 6 months of the day Bush can no longer issue pardons.

BTW - executive privilege has been sorely abused by Presidents Left and Right. As a government By the People and For the People guy, it is abhorrent to me that the POTUS would have this kind of blank check imperial power.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:27 pm
by Dinsdale
He's definitely immune while sitting --

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

The VP is not.

If my memory of the rest is accurate, the pres can pull some bullshit immunities and priviledges, and is pretty well immune after he leaves office, for things he did while in office.


Sorry, mv -- you're wrong again.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote: Not for this politically motivated, 'he said - he said' circle jerk.
There was a conviction by a jury of his peers. Was there not?
There was a Presidential commutation of his sentence. Was there not?
Are you trying to say that the jury that convicted Libby was politically motivated? Or are you just plumb out of defenses for the Bush Crime Family?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
PSUFAN wrote:I think Cheney is at risk after Bush gets airlifted out of there. I would expect him to be investigated and charges brought within 6 months of the day Bush can no longer issue pardons.
I think Cheney gets a preemptive pardon from Bush on 1/19/09 or 1/20/09. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:31 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
mvscal wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
mvscal wrote:All pardons and commutations are, by definition, an executive thumb up the ass of the judicial system.
The difference between this one and the others, though, is that this one was motivated by a desire to protect the current Administration.
As opposed to Clinton's pardons being motivated by six figure cash payouts laundered through his brother in law and political pandering to enhance his wife's standing with in her Senate race?
What does Clinton have to do with it, anyway? Didn't Bush run on the idea of being the anti-Clinton? On the idea of "restoring dinity and integrity to the White House"?

What a crock of shit that was.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:38 pm
by Dinsdale
mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:He's definitely immune while sitting --
There is no explicit immunity from criminal prosecution for any civil officer in the Constitution including the President.

Did all those hearings of 1973 fly over your head?

You're right -- it's not explicitly stated -- it's just been determined by the Justice Department and whatnot.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:41 pm
by Mister Bushice
mvscal wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:This is Bush shoving his thumb up the ass of the justice system all the while his mouth is spewing "respect" for the jurys decision.
All pardons and commutations are, by definition, an executive thumb up the ass of the judicial system.
How many of them occur PRIOR to the criminal serving any time?

How many of them have as their primary goal to protect the administration from further embarassment?


Face it.

This is one more example of the total lack of disregard for the rule of law (along with all the other shit he's done to trample the constitution and bill of rights into the dirt) that this piece of shit adminsitration doesn't think they have to answer to.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:45 pm
by Y2K
executive privilege has been sorely abused by Presidents Left and Right. As a government By the People and For the People guy, it is abhorrent to me that the POTUS would have this kind of blank check imperial power.
Exactly, The reason so many of these fucks lie and cheat within the rank and file is because of how far the Privilege has been perverted. The same shit happens in Govenor's offices across all 50 states almost every day.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:51 pm
by Y2K
Mister Bushice wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:This is Bush shoving his thumb up the ass of the justice system all the while his mouth is spewing "respect" for the jurys decision.
All pardons and commutations are, by definition, an executive thumb up the ass of the judicial system.
How many of them occur PRIOR to the criminal serving any time?

How many of them have as their primary goal to protect the administration from further embarassment?


Face it.

This is one more example of the total lack of disregard for the rule of law (along with all the other shit he's done to trample the constitution and bill of rights into the dirt) that this piece of shit adminsitration doesn't think they have to answer to.

Good God Bushice, did you just wake up from some long nap and figure out that Bush would actually use his power to cover his NeoCon pals just as Clinton covered HIS buddies asses and Nixon and Reagan and Bush 42?
Good Morning Sunshine.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:52 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:You're right -- it's not explicitly stated -- it's just been determined by the Justice Department and whatnot.
And since it is not explicitly stated it can be "undetermined" by the Justice Deptartment at the drop of a hat.
Whether it can be is one thing. Whether it will be is quite another.

It's difficult to imagine a more (over)zealous special prosecutor than Ken Starr, and even he didn't disagree with the Justice Department's conclusion.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:53 pm
by Dinsdale
mvscal wrote: And since it is not explicitly stated it can be "undetermined" by the Justice Deptartment at the drop of a hat.

This from the guy who supports trashing the BoR in the name of "national security." Rings kind of hollow.


The Constitution doesn't explicitly state that you're a dumbfuck, but it's been established as precedent.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:02 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
Dinsdale wrote:If my memory of the rest is accurate, the pres can pull some bullshit immunities and priviledges, and is pretty well immune after he leaves office, for things he did while in office.
If that's the case, why did Ford pardon Nixon? And why did Clinton cut a deal right before he left office?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:23 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
You're officially a "banana republic" now.

Nice job, America. You make Kim Jong Il's thug-ocracy look "grassroots".

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:51 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:
Martyred wrote:You're officially a "banana republic" now.
Because a President commuted a sentence?!?

:lol:

Oooookay.
True enough. We became a banana republic the day Chimpy was allowed to steal the election in 2000.