Cowherd Yesterday on SEC Superiority

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

You'd think then over the last 10 years the SEC would have a wide margin of victories over the Big Ten in bowl games.

They don't. At all.

[PSUFAN]

Cowherd is the biggest tool ever to spit into a mike. Ever.

[Goober McTuber]

When you have to go to Colin Cowturd...

Remember, first it was Kirk Herbstreit.

Interesting that Sammy relies solely on ESPN "analysts" and radio personalities to draw his opinions from.

Me? I prefer to watch the games.

How the fuck did my original post,

When you have to go to Colin Cowturd to back up your argument, you’ve already lost.

Wind up partially quoted with somebody else comment (Kirk Herbstreit, etc)?????

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

When you have to go to Colin Cowturd...

Remember, first it was Kirk Herbstreit.

Interesting that Sammy relies solely on ESPN "analysts" and radio personalities to draw his opinions from.

Me? I prefer to watch the games.

How the fuck did my original post,

When you have to go to Colin Cowturd to back up your argument, you’ve already lost.

Wind up partially quoted with somebody else comment (Kirk Herbstreit, etc)?????

My bad. I accidentally hit the "edit" button instead of "quote" button when I replied to your post.

I guess I'm relieved of my mod duties now. Fuck, that additional income was nice.

[Goober McTuber]

Weird. I felt so violated.

I think Colin’s whole spiel started out with a discussion of quotes from Les Miles, where Miles was essentially ripping the Pac 10.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/ ... wAll=y&c=y

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Just to remind you that the "experts" all agree that the SEC is the top conference.

I've pretty much always readily admitted that in most years, the "best conference" honor should go to the SEC. Generally, I've given the SEC that distinction. I think this whole SEC vs _____ saga began when certain people started making claims about how much MORE dominant the SEC is versus the Big Ten, Pac 10, etc., and my retort to that was essentially this giant "gap" the SECers believe exists over the other power conferences doesn't really exist. The difference between the SEC and #2 in most years is not that great.

The barbs from me came from a lot of the radical claims guys like you were making about how arduous your conference schedule is, rendering you excusable from scheduling anybody decent out of conference. THAT'S the kind of baloney I was refuting, nothing more.

Just throwing something out there to wake you guys up.

I get that, and it's totally welcomed. We need something trivial to argue about during the summer.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Just a note: getting thru the SEC schedule undefeated is next to impossible. Getting thru a Big Ten or PAC 10 season undefeated should be a cakewalk. Virtually every season. USC, Michigan, Ohio State, PSU...when there's only one or two good teams, how hard is it?!

If it's a cakewalk, why aren't they doing it every season? I don't think going into a sold out, loud as hell Kinnick Stadium or Camp Randall is really that much easier than playing in Fayetville or Athents, GA. I'd be willing to put a game in Madison right up there with almost any environment in the SEC in terms of difficulty, crowd hostility, etc. Three, four loss teams in BIG TIME POWER COLLEGE FOOTBALL are hard to beat Sam, especially on the road. Just ask USC how they feel about going into Corvallis.

And PLEASE, stop acting like the SEC doesn't have its creampuffs. Besides, when you factor in your in-conference creampuffs with your typically guaranteed OUT OF conference creampuffs, doesn't it all generally even out?

[Dinsdale]

Don't be dissing My Man Colin.


Huge Ducks honk, and he does a great job keeping that off the national show. When he was local, much time was spent hating on Huskies and Beavers...much.

I'd think Cowherd would be more popular on here, but I guess it's different for us U&Lers, who have a much better grasp of his very oddball sense of humor. In his years of local shows, he had one rule that was carved in stone -- that at least a small part of every show he did, regardless of time of year, must be spent discussing college football.

How can you not like that?

Once you understand his sense of humor, and realize that every word out of his mouth is sarcasm, Colin is a pretty darn funny dude.


And if he was pimping the SEC -- chances are that's not the way he feels. He's stocking up on ammo to make a run at SEC fan.

[Danimal]

He seems to have forgotten about Wiscy, they finished in the top10 last year and beat a SEC team to do it. Plus they are in this preseason's top10.

Kinda annoyed that the 12 isn't even getting mentioned. We are definitely competitive with the 10 and Pac. We did have a national champ quite recently and should have several teams in the top25 this year.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

He seems to have forgotten about Wiscy, they finished in the top10 last year and beat a SEC team to do it. Plus they are in this preseason's top10.

He never mentions them. Facts and game results are of no significance to Sam. That's because he operates under the "Because I said so!" line of reasoning.

[King Crimson]

how exactly does one quantify "more violent hits" as an objective means of comparison?

[PSUFAN]

With much errant hyperbole, to answer your question, KC...

[Goober McTuber]

Dinsdale,

I understand Colin Cowturd’s sense of humor, and the best thing you can say about it is that it’s more developed than Terry in Crapchester’s. Plus the guy is an absolute idiot. I understand you wanting to pimp your homeboy, but dude is a tool. I suppose he is a step above another sports guy who is a Portland native: Brent Musburger.

[Dinsdale]

how exactly does one quantify "more violent hits" as an objective means of comparison?

While on the surface, this might sound a little subjective...


I think it could ultimately be quantified by how emphatic and loud the "WOOOOOOO" is after witnessing a hit...you know, those sincere, heartfelt "WOOOOOO"s like Jonathan Vilma used to illicit.


Although I'm thinking that every conference down to D3 produces plenty of WOOOO-hits.

[Goober McTuber]

Nice link on Ctrl-Colin:

http://deadspin.com/sports/espn/why-you ... 162730.php

[See You Next Wednesday]

While you can differentiate conferences when there is an obvious disparity (think SEC vs. MAC) when you start to get to comparing the elite conferences it is pretty much nitpicking The one thing that makes it difficult is that playing in conference is tougher than someone out of conference playing that team. For example, USC against Washington St is going to be touugher game for USC than if say LSU had to go play Washington State. So if USC gets beat by the Cougars and LSU wins I am not sure it is comparing apples to apples. The main problem I have with SEC, and don't get me wrong, i think they are clearly one of, if not the best conference, is that it starts with the presumption that Auburn, LSU, Florida, tennessee, etc. are all good. then they go around and beat each othher and it is basically, "Florida beat LSU who beat Tennessee who beat Auburn who beat Bama who beat Georgia". Since the presumption is all these teams are great to start with it automatically makes their victories notable.

Here's a naxample. Say you have three groups of people, the SEC, Big 10, and the PAC 10. You give everybody in the SEC a million dollars and everybody in the Big 10 and PAC 10 500,00. Then they wager over coin flips. But the SEC just wagers amongst themselves, while the other two conferences place bets against each other as well as within their group. When it is all said and done you ask, "Who has the most money?". Well the winner will be the SEC, but only because they were given the most to start with and they don't play notable games outside of the conference (an exagerration, I know). If they placed wagers outside their conference there is a possibility their extra wealth might go to others.

How is that for a rambling mess?

[Blueblood]

Just a note: getting thru the SEC schedule undefeated is next to impossible. Getting thru a Big Ten or PAC 10 season undefeated should be a cakewalk. Virtually every season. USC, Michigan, Ohio State, PSU...when there's only one or two good teams, how hard is it?!

Recent history seems to suggest that the gap has closed, though: the SEC is exactly .500 against the Pac-10 since 1986. Since 2000, it is 8-6 in favor of the Pac-10, even with the 1-3 result last year (which, it should be said, was the result of four games played in SEC stadiums, two of them being stronger SEC teams matched against weaker Pac-10 teams).

The Pac-10 has not been the strongest conference historically (not surprising, given that there just weren't as many people living out west back then), but recent history suggests that it is now just as good as the other major conferences. Recent history also suggests that "SEC dominance" is now mostly a mirage propped up by reputation and favorable OOC scheduling.



Prior to the 2006 debacle for the Pac 10, only LSU had defeated a team from our conference. Two of LSU's victories were squeakers and the one against Oregon State was perhaps the luckiest of the modern era.

This season of 2007 is payback time! All four games last season were on the road for the Pac 10...

[Goober McTuber]

Way to man up, m2.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

While you can differentiate conferences when there is an obvious disparity (think SEC vs. MAC) when you start to get to comparing the elite conferences it is pretty much nitpicking

Precisely. Once you get to comparing the the top 4 or 5 teams from each of the major conferences, things are pretty balanced competitively. The SEC teams would look more appealing "on paper" as more of their teams would likely be ranked, but I think once the teams set foot on the field, they'd all be capable of beating up on each other, on any given day.

[King Crimson]

This season of 2007 is payback time! All four games last season were on the road for the Pac 10...

last year many Big XII games against the Pac 10 were in Pac 10 stadiums....didn't stop Pac 10 fan from tickling each other's balls with both hands.

[Blueblood]

This season of 2007 is payback time! All four games last season were on the road for the Pac 10...

last year many Big XII games against the Pac 10 were in Pac 10 stadiums....didn't stop Pac 10 fan from tickling each other's balls with both hands.

as I recall... this game wasn't in a "Pac 10" stadium.

Pac 10 vs. Big XII

[SoCalTrjn]

funny that the Pac is so weak yet USC has had no problem with schools from other conferences (but for a super human performance by vyoung)...

@ Colorado 40-3
Notre Dame 44-13
(bowl)Iowa 38-17
@ Auburn 23-0
@ Notre Dame 45-14
(bowl) Michigan 28-14
@ Va Tech 24-13
Notre Dame 41-10
(bowl) Oklahoma 55-19
Arkansas 70-17
@ Arkansas 50-14
Nebraska 28-10
Notre Dame 44-24
(bowl) Michigan 32-18

...and have had issues with those weak Pac schools

[Dinsdale]

The bottom of the PAC 10 would KILL the bottom of the SEC, on a yearly basis, fairly consistantly. Not sure where SEC honk gets off think that they need to scedule cupcakes OOC -- they get plenty of cupcake games every season, and the odds of a botton-tier PAC team knocking of a upper-level team are MUCH higher than the SEC doormats knocking off a top team.


Which pretty well renders SEC Ballsucking Homer's argument asinine.

I mean -- Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Vandy? Are you freaking kidding me? Why not just change all of their team names to "The Byes," and take the week off? Put those teams in the PAC, and they don't win a game in the next ten freaking years. Yet that "brutal conference schedule" entitles them to run up their record playing OOC patsies?


Sorry if the civilized folks take this about as seriously as anything else that comes out of a Southerner's mouth -- as the comedic self-abuse that it is. There's a reason that the rest of the country has some very unflattering stereotypes of Southerners... and frankly, Cletus, this completely illogical argument isn't doing anything to shatter those widely-held perceptions that your entire region is mainly populated by complete fucking idiots.

[Danimal]

In terms of scheduling I do have to give the Pac props. They could have easily just added some "money" game and invited a Sunbelt, 1AA, or MAC team to get their ass kicked for a check but instead they added another conference game. The rest of the BCS should take notice.

[PSUFAN]

Devine's video has been passed around the internet more than Jenna Jameson's vag.

The relevant question with Devine is...will he ever play a down of NCAA football? Will he live that long?

Devine is no stranger to heartbreak and tragedy: both of his parents died of AIDS before he was 12 and he saw a close friend shot to death his sophomore year of high school. He also has two children (Andre, 1, and Desirae, 2) with two different women, and despite the fact that his maternal grandmother is his legal guardian, has lived with a family for the better part of seven years. Most infamously, Devine was nearly adopted by mentor Deion Sanders (a North Fort Myers product) last August before taking a Cadillac Escalade from Sanders' Dallas-area home, driving it to the airport and leaving it parked at the curb before flying back to Florida.

[Goober McTuber]

Speaking of Cowturd, today he was ripping on Notre Dame fans for thinking that they had a tough schedule.

[SoCalTrjn]

You're right Sam. Here are the OOC games for LSU.

2000
Western Carolina
Houston
UAB

2001
Tulane
Utah St.
Middle Tenn.

2002
Va. Tech
The Citadel
Miami (Ohio)
UL-Lafayette

2003
UL-Monroe
Arizona
Western Illinois
La. Tech

2004
Oregon St.
Troy
Arkansas St.

2005
North Texas State
Appalachain State
Arizona State

2006
UL-Lafayette
Fresno State
Arizona

2007
Va. Tech
Middle Tenn.
La. Tech

2008
Troy

2009
North Texas
Houston
Tulane

2010
Wyoming

The ones in bold are games that shouldn't be scheduled, why should LSU play Troy? Nobody I know wants to see those games. The smaller local schools, like UL-Lafayette and Tulane, I don't mind so much, kinda like a big brother being nice to his kid brother, sure, I'll whip your ass in front of all these people we know, come on, it will be fun. We play teams like Houston, Southern Miss, and UAB for recruiting reasons, maybe that's why North Texas seems to be scheduled every so often too.

This year, however, we've got a team coming in who could whip our ass, Va. Tech. Should be a good game.

You forgot Tulane in 2007- 2010 (funny that their TBA games in 2008 both list Baton Rogue as the location, guess theyre looking for patsies to fill those announcements)
Nothing but cowardness is a viable reason for scheduling like that. LSU plays 8 home games a year and then question other teams schedules, play 6 road games, travel a few time zones away then talk.
also all the 2009 games are at home

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Umm, Sam? How about we focus on the grand scheme of things. USC consistently has a higher SOS than LSU.

But I won't let facts get in your way.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

God, I love y'all! I knew that would wake you up.

Uh huh. You sure like to go to this card when confronted with indisputable facts.

Look, it all evens out in the end. Team A can play dogshit OOC games, but have a difficult in conference schedule. Team B can play a loaded OOC schedule with a weaker in conference slate. It all evens out.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

By the way, looking back over the last few years, it seems LSU and USC have very similar SOS ratings.

Absolutely. But don't you find it a tad out of line for a head coach to run "weak schedule" smack on a team that is actually rated HIGHER in that department?

That's the point here.

[SoCalTrjn]

Les was catering to the coon ass fan base at corndog tech and telling them red asses what they want to hear, forget the fact that those cowards consistently have 8 home game schedules and dont give me that bull shit about Tulane being much better than Troy, other than 8-5 in 2002, Tulane has had a losing record every year this century
01 3-9
03 5-7
04 5-6
05 2-9
06 4-8
Louisianans are half French and half Southern, that only makes them good at 2 things, running their mouths and surrendering
way to embrace your role Leslie

[Blueblood]

Oh, dear god

Louisianans are half French and half Southern