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Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:34 pm

that sucks for you guys. Cheated to an 8-4 season.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:51 pm

Wow...

Portions of this came from self-enforcement, right?

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:55 pm

Yes. From every report, OU was very cooperative with the NCAA. But then again, when they have you by the balls, you pretty much have to cooperate. :wink:

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:12 pm

Harvdog wrote:Yes. From every report, OU was very cooperative with the NCAA. But then again, when they have you by the balls, you pretty much have to cooperate. :wink:

listen to Harv, he's forgot more than most of us will ever know about other people's balls. :twisted:

Frank Beamer's growth · Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:39 pm

OU fans have to be breathing a sigh of relief, got off pretty easy really.

OUMO · Post by **OUMO** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:42 pm

So I guess OU did not get screwed at Texas Tech then, we lost before we played that game, I feel so much better now.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:44 pm

RACK Beamer's av

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:46 pm

I like the one with Leinart/Bush riding the bike and Mack sitting on the front porch.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:54 pm

Rack Bill Callahan. He now has a win over us fuckin' hillbillies. though, won't help his record against .500 teams.

;)

Frank Beamer's growth · Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:08 pm

[quote="King Crimson"]Rack Bill Callahan. He now has a win over us fuckin' hillbillies. though, won't help his record against .500 teams.

;)[/quote

That would be crazy if it worked that way. Does this affect AP's stats from that season? Probably not but...

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:13 pm

Here's a Link to the story.

Q, West Coast Style · Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:16 pm

Ha! Wipe that crunch-time pick off the books!

Sin,

Brady Leaf

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:20 pm

Q, West Coast Style wrote:Ha! Wipe that crunch-time pick off the books!

Sin,

Brady Leaf

i give the Ducks credit, you guys "not-lose" to us and then beat us any which way--at yer place. that's some serious "game".

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:23 pm

I thought Oklahoma was already punished---last fall by the officiating crew in Eugene.

Can't wait for the ruling on ol' Reggie gettin'

a free house for his family from the guys on the SC sidelines during practices and games for two years... not to mention the limo rides for the folks at the Cal game. Jarrett/Leinart's apartment scandal...

I know for a fact JD booty's family flew out in a private plane for the rose bowl. amazing.

They're freaking out over at the $C board

... and "strangely" sympathetic.

http://wearesc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1626

Stuff like:

"I wish that an alternative to the NCAA existed."

"The NCAA behaves like the Gestapo or worse the IRS. What is a program to do?"

Gawd, they're obnoxious.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:22 pm

actually, it looks like OU will book a null-win, 4 loss season. Stoops record will reflect the absence of wins (8 subtracted), but not 8 additional losses.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:15 am

King Crimson wrote:actually, it looks like OU will book a null-win, 4 loss season. Stoops record will reflect the absence of wins (8 subtracted), but not 8 additional losses.

Yes, exactly right bro.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:25 am

read the new mandel column on cnnsi.com

he brings up the hypocrisy

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blo ... t-usc.html

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:20 am

funny how threads about Oklahoma are being hijacked by SC haters.

OU is on probation and loses 2 football scholarships for 2 years, stoops gets 8 wins wiped of his resume but the school keeps the bowl money.
What doesnt make sense is why is the "handler" for the OU athletes at Big Red Motors made out to be such a demon and banned from having anything to do with the school for 4 years yet still employed by the Dealership? Wouldnt the Dealerships owners want this cheater off their payroll and thrown out of town? Unless the handler is just the patsie for the boosters behind the dealership

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:23 am

by all accounts, the "handler" was canned over a year ago and Big Red Motors has new ownership.

but, for your scenario, "wouldn't it be pretty to think so".

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:29 am

Really? see what I get for listening to the pro-UCLA sports talk stations today

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:37 am

although the 2 scholarships and forfeited games may seem minor to some, I have a hard time accepting them as just.
This dealership wasnt tied to the school, the players didnt go to the schools employment center and get refered to Big Red Motors. It doesnt seem like a school should be penalized for something the school didnt do.
What happened to Auburn? the players there getting As for classes they never went to and from professors they wouldnt even recognize seems much more like something that should bring on school sanctions. didnt robert Smith state that he wanted to leave Ohio State because his coaches told him to skip class to go to football practice? again that sounds more like something the school should be responsible for.
The only way I can see this being a school issue is where the NCAA stated that this had been going on or years and involved other sports before the football team got drug in to it, that can be hear-say as well though.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:01 pm

At least we know that after a healthy sabatacial, mTwat's hatred for USC still runs deep.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:41 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:The only way I can see this being a school issue is where the NCAA stated that this had been going on or years and involved other sports before the football team got drug in to it, that can be hear-say as well though.

Kelvin Sampson was not hear-say.
I believe the NCAA was still reeling on the "not-so-long-ago" visit about the phone calls. Isn't /wasn't OU on probation from that incident?

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:48 pm

Damn you Sooners can circle the covered wagons!!

This is a disgrace to the entire university! You guys should be soundly bashing your own. But as the leading myopians of this forum you refuse to handle this situation with any class. Anytime the record books are altered by punishments handed down is a dark day (I ought to know...UM hoops). You guys are talking about getting off easy, how Stoops' record will be effected, and the fucking Oregon game. Pull your heads out of your collective asses.

Whoever is responsible for the Big Red thing (and most of us know it's not just an employee or owner of a car lot) has brought a cloud of shame over the team, athletic department, university, alumni, and fans. You chuckle heads on here act like you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar. When records get erased it means you got caught CHEATING! Say the word fellas...C-H-E-A-T ....Cheat. I thought you could.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:14 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote: What happened to Auburn? the players there getting As for classes they never went to and from professors they wouldnt even recognize seems much more like something that should bring on school sanctions. didnt robert Smith state that he wanted to leave Ohio State because his coaches told him to skip class to go to football practice? again that sounds more like something the school should be responsible for.

It was one sociology teacher. And most the students who receieved A's in his class w/o attending were just regular students. The head of the sociology dept blew the whistle on him. They fixed the situation and thus no sanctions.

Sociology, from what I gather, is a easy degree. Obviously this teacher didnt give a shit about teaching a shitty subject and just started handing out grades.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:23 pm

WolverineSteve wrote: how Stoops' record will be effected

Harv brought it up in the thread title; as it turns out, incorrectly. using how Stoops record will be affected to illustrate how the 05 forfeits would apply is hardly the superficial gloss of the issues you seem to think. i don't see anyone making the grand apologetics you claim in this thread. "Blueblood" brought up the Oregon game.

this happened over a year ago, speaking only for myself as a Sooner....it seems natural that when the punishment is meted out....that would be what we would discuss not the original offenses which have been talked to death on Sooner boards, radio, etc.

relax.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:56 pm

I think the punishment fit the crime, when you have players getting paid by boosters you can't just say "you know those games a couple years ago that you won? Well technically they didn't happen". You have to at least take away the schollies those guys were on. Because OU was compliant with the NCAA you do just that, if they hadn't been then you do something that really hurts.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:28 pm

let me see if I get this right....a couple of OU guys were scamming money from "jobs" they actually didn't work at.....the officials at OU find out and immediately kick the players to the curb, and now the NCAA decides that their wins will be "vacated" (wtf is that btw) and the Sooners lose two scholarships per year.....

the NCAA just proved themselves more irrelevant than ever...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:01 pm

Felix wrote:
the NCAA just proved themselves more irrelevant than ever...

How? By basically sending the message that schools actually need to have oversight and be vigilant, rather than turning a blind eye(sup USC) then "self-reporting" when they think someone might get caught, and walking away scot-free for it?

I think the NCAA sent a great message to everyone about being proactive rather than reactive.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:46 pm

Dinsdale wrote:

How? By basically sending the message that schools actually need to have oversight and be vigilant, rather than turning a blind eye(sup USC) then "self-reporting" when they think someone might get caught, and walking away scot-free for it?

you do know the scam jobs were set up in such a way as to deceive the OU people that oversee players employment don't you...

like I said, when the OU people found out about it they immediately pulled the players scholarships.....

what more could they have done?

and exactly what kind of punishment is "vacating" OU's wins? (that one still has me perplexed)

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:26 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Really? see what I get for listening to the pro-UCLA sports talk stations today

Yea incorrect BS. The handler and the manager were canned within the week. I don't know what happened to the handler but I know the manager was run out of state to Denver.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:13 am

My only question is why if the bowl win is wiped out do they get to keep the cash? Not that I have a huge problem with it, but I would like to hear a reason from the NCAA.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:08 am

phewww... at least this doesn't involve:

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Sounds like a lack of institutional control to me, boys.

You got off easy.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:41 am

War Wagon wrote:You got off easy.

You should hear the whining on local sports talk radio. Even the homer hosts are fed-up with the homers complaining on this one.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:29 am

BtH,

I understand about the split in the conference, but I was speaking about the cash OU put in the bank. I just think it is stupid to remove the wins, but to not ask for the cash back.

Also on further reflection I don't like the 0-4 record either. The games were played and should either be wins or losses, not non events.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:16 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:And again, the NCAA can't ask for the cash back. They didn't give it in the first place. They could levy a fine for the amount of the bowl payout, I guess, but the money was given to OU by the Holiday Bowl, not the NCAA.

Isn't the money given to the conference first, who then divide it up among the member schools?

Maybe the Big XII should be demanding that money back.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:44 am

Point is, they cheated...give back the dough.

CHEAT!! Look it up.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:39 pm

generally the checks are to the school, the school then takes out the cost of the team getting to the Bowl game and then whats left they split up among all the other teams in the conference.