The Outlaw program

[SunCoastSooner]

Oklahoma 2 arrests since 2004 both are misdemeanors.

Texass College in Austin 24 arrests since 2004 with at least 13 of those for felonies.

But OU is the "outlaw" program...

I think Thug U. might have relocated from Corral Gables, Florida to Austin, Texass!!!

[L45B]

I think Thug U. might have relocated from Corral Gables, Florida...

You might be right...

Shannon laying down strict law at Miami
By Mark Schlabach

PINEHURST, N.C. -- New Miami coach Randy Shannon instituted several new rules for the Hurricanes when he replaced Larry Coker as coach in December. For the most part, the new tough standards kept the Hurricanes out of trouble this summer.

Randy Shannon has kept a keen eye on his guys this offseason.

Miami players were noticeably absent from the police blotter this summer, a feat that has to please athletic director Paul Dee and university president Donna Shalala.

Last year, Miami endured two gun-related incidents off the field -- defensive lineman Bryan Pata was murdered outside his apartment and reserve safety Willie Cooper was shot in the buttocks after being confronted by an unknown person. The assailant fled when teammate Brandon Meriweather fired his own gun at the man.

On the field, the Hurricanes were involved in an ugly melee with Florida International in Miami's 35-0 victory on Oct. 14. The ACC suspended 13 players for their roles in that brawl.

Those distractions contributed to Miami's 7-6 record in 2006 -- the program's worst finish since a 5-6 mark in 1997 -- and Coker's firing after six seasons.

Shannon, who had worked as Coker's defensive coordinator since 2001, was hired to replace his former boss and set out to clean up the mess.

"The things we were trying to do were deteriorating," Shannon said. "When a bunch of little things pile up, it becomes a mountain."

Shannon outlawed guns for Miami's players -- any player caught having a weapon will not only be kicked off the team but also dismissed from school.

"If you're living in Iowa and you're going hunting, it's fine to have a rifle or shotgun," Hurricanes guard Derrick Morse said. "But if you're living in Miami, you don't need to be walking around with a handgun. I wish it was a year earlier when that rule went into effect."

Shannon also requires any player with a grade point average lower than 2.5 to live on campus. If a player is living off campus and falls below the 2.5 mark during fall semester, he'll be required to move back into dorms for spring semester.

"You better not sign a year lease if you're not going to take care of your classes," Morse said. "They've got to deal with that. They're grown men. They're 21 or 22 years old. They've got to act like grown men."

Players caught having cell phones in class will lose their phones for two weeks. Any teammates attending the same class also lose their cell phones for two weeks.

"Guys are looking out for each other now," Morse said.

If players skip class, Morse said, Shannon not only requires them to complete extra conditioning but also demotes them on the depth chart.

"His discipline is at a level where it's almost crazy," defensive end Calais Campbell said. "You don't want to do anything wrong."

[quacker backer]

I thought this was a thread about ND Football

never mind [smile}

[Harvdog]

Not much you can say when you have 5 arrests in the off season. 2 DWI's. How stupid is that? Call a cab or get a buddy to pick you up. There is no excuse and they should both be suspended for 1-2 games. Robert Joseph is a thug who should be in prison. It is bad enough to get busted for breaking in to a car, kicked off the team, thrown out of school, but then you go out and get arrested 2 weeks later for burglary. Throw the book at him. Mack did the right thing by kicking him off the team. He was penciled in as a starter, too. If Jones is guilty, kick him to the curb as well.

People have questioned why Mack didn't offer some kids in early recruiting and this is why. If you recruit a kid because he can play but has questionable morals, this is what you get.

I guess our new slogan should be " Book'em Horns"

Here is a list of those that have been arrested:

(1)
4-27-2002
* Cedric Benson is arrested following the discovery of marijuana in an apartment he's in in Midland. Charges were dropped.

[dropped due to illegal search and seizure, illegal entry and the fact that the MJ was discovered in a pair of pants owned by the homeowner which were folded up in a drawer, IIRC. Not sure if any suspensions occurred.

(2)
2002
* Brock Edwards is arrested after knocking a kid out at a fraternity party & kicking him while on the ground. The kid required reconstructive surgery.

I've got no clue why BE was allowed to stay on the team. I don't know the background on this one, but at first glance, he should have been gone. There could have been mitigating circumstances that I'm unaware of though. Not aware of punitive actions

(3,4,5,6)
5-1-2003
* Larry Dibbles, Selvin Young, Aaron Harris & Edorian McCullough are arrested after Dibbles is pulled over by Police for failure to use a turn signal & marijuana was discovered. A UT student (who was not in the vehicle) came forward and claimed the weed as his, and that he'd stashed it in the car when he borrowed it the day before. Marijuana residue was found throught [sic] the vehicle & the smell of weed was strong according to the arresting officer. Charges were dropped.

This incident was widely attributed to DWB. The weed was found in a vent or something like that. Seeds were found under the seat I think. IIRC, several of the guys took drug tests that day and were cleared. Not aware of punitive actions. McCullough left the team after this.

(7)
10-07-2003
* Cedric Benson is arrested for breaking into an apartment to see if his stolen TV was there
* Charges dropped

no excuses. Apparently El Ced thought that his TV was there and had reported it to APD w/o a bit of recourse.... still, should have hired a PI or something. Community service and suspended for the Baylor game

(8)
5-23-2004
* Recruit, Chris Collins, is arrested for sexual assualt of a minor after receiving a BJ & sex from a 12 year following prom. Collins was 17.
* Currently at trial

Scholly offer was retracted. Frankly, I'm not sure how this makes the list of "Texas Players" as he never signed an LOI. Maybe we should add Fred Rouse and Ryan Perriloux too?

(9)
12-14-2004
* Erik Hardeman is arrested for possession of cocaine w/ intent to distribute. Hardeman was, at the time, was academically ineligible and was not on the team.

Obviously, Hardeman was gone forever after this incident, but the rumor is/was that he would never have returned to play for Texas before being busted with coke

(10)
9-6-2005
* Myron Hardy is arrested following a 6th Street fight after the guys he fought told police he threatened them w/ a knife. Police discovered an illegal switchblade on Hardy.

I don't recall this particular incident (they all start to run together) and I'm unaware of punitive actions, although I'm sure there were some.... being a backup, it's a lot easier to not notice a suspension than with a starter.

(11)
5-13-2006
* Ramonce Taylor is arrested for possession of 5 lbs of marijuana. Taylor was academically ineligible at the time and was not on the team.
* A plea deal was struck & Taylor served time in jail.

This is another that I'm not sure should be counted, as there was basically zero chance of RT ever playing for Texas again before this incident. Mack had "indefinitely suspended" RT with the intent of him never returning to Texas (from all sources I've ever read or heard) If we count RT (since he was kicked off of the team before this happened) should we also count Ricky since he was a FORMER Horn?

(12,13,14)
6-04-2006
* Tarell Brown, Tyrell Gatewood & Aaron Harris are arrested after a loaded gun & marijuana were discovered after police stopped Harris' car on Monday night before Texas/tOSU. Brown was charged w/ unlawfully carrying a loaded concealed handgun & marijuana possession. Gatewood & Harris were charged w/ weed. The gun belonged to Gatewood & was legally registerd and the weed belonged to Harris, so the charges were dropped against Brown & Gatewood. Harris, at the time of the arrest, was a former UT player and had graduated the previous season.


Harris = FORMER HORN so again, it shouldn't be counted. Brown and Gatewood were immediately suspended. Brown and Gatewood took drug tests and both came up clean. 2 game suspensions in effect for both Brown and Gatewood, IIRC (could be wrong)

(15)
10-22-2006
* Former Horn & current Washington Huskie, Michael Houston is arrested after stealing a cab in Washington.

Again, Mack had let this guy go a long time before this happened, not sure why it's laid at Texas' feet.

(16,17)
2-2007
* Ahmard Howard & Brandon Collins are arrested for drug possession.

I think these guys were recruits at the time. I'm not sure what happened and if either were charged or if punitive actions from the university occurred.

(18)
3-22-2007
* Tarell Brown is arrested after his cousin is pulled over by police & weed is discovered. The charges were later dropped against Brown.

TB took a drug test and came up clean. Also, he didn't have anything on him at the time. Brown was no longer a part of the roster at the time of this incident

(19)
6-1-2007
* Henry Melton is arrested for DWI

Stupid

(20)
6-9-2007
* Robert Joseph is arrested for 2 counts of breaking into cars.

Immediately released/suspended/allowed to transfer

(21,22)
7-27-2007
* Robert Joseph & Andre Jones break into an apartment and rob the occupants at gunpoint. Joseph is arrested immediately and Jones is nw in custody.

Joseph was no longer a part of the roster when this incident occurred. Jones is still only a suspect. I think it sucks that he's been alleged to have participated, but I'll reserve judgment until more info/court appearance.

(23)
7-28-2007
* Sergio Kindle is arrested for DWI.

Stupid

Book'em

[indyfrisco]

Nice try gooner, but I'm not taking your bait.

[Adelpiero]

Do those kids still have eligibility left?



sin,

Beamer,Bowden,Osbourne,J.Johnson



Can any of those kids fight?


sin

schnellenberger

[SunCoastSooner]

Why isn't Marco Martin on the list? I would think being arressted for laying the wood to a 12 year old boy would be counted...

[SoCalTrjn]

I like how Les Miles reistates Ryan Perriloux the week before camp starts. What excatly was he suspended from?
he nearly wound up at Texas as well, may have been a good fit

[SunCoastSooner]

Nice try gooner, but I'm not taking your bait.

You know I had to try...

[SunCoastSooner]

I'll say the same thing I always say when this kind of crap comes up at OU-kids are fuckin' dumb. They do dumb shit. It's not like the coaches can put RFID chips on them or anything.

Yeah, you'd hope that they'd be smarter or that you'd only recruit choir boys, but people's personalities change a lot between 18-22-you can recruit the best kid in the world and he can turn into a complete assface by the time he graduates.

Don't ruin this for the rest of us just yet BtH...

[SunCoastSooner]

Oh, go to town. I just want it on the record the next time a QB who ends up leading us to a Big 12 championship gets pulled over on a DUI stop that I took the high road. :D

Duly noted but I am the certified sooner jackass of the board and I have to hold down that rep and street cred. ;)