Butler a Trojan

[SoCalTrjn]

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/vi ... vidid=2740


13 kids before school starts, this is an early commit class for SC

[Cicero]

Congrats. he's a very good WR. A lot of FSU people wanted him bad, but after his antics at the press conference he can go fuck himself.

[SoCalTrjn]

which antics were those?

[Cicero]

Sitting next to his dad who is a former FSU All-American, he raises the FSU hat and say, "I'm going to continue the Butler family legacy at...." and then he pulls the USC hat from under the FSU hat. Real classy.

[SoCalTrjn]

He's not the first one to play the hat game, theyre all doing it. I liked the kid from Alabama a few years ago that picked the USC hat up and then right at the last pulled out the hounds tooth Bear Bryant hat that he had under the table. Butlers a 17 yr old kid, let him have a good time with it, it didnt seem like his dad had a problem with the thing, it was his dad that convinced him to look at USC and according to the comments made after the announcement, LSU was second choice.

If it makes ya feel any better, his early commit to USC will lead Lemming to drop him to the 175th best WR in the nation

[King Crimson]

is Butler senior Bobby Butler?

i think he blocked a punt for a TD in the 81 Orange Bowl against OU.

[T REX]

Sitting next to his dad who is a former FSU All-American, he raises the FSU hat and say, "I'm going to continue the Butler family legacy at...." and then he pulls the USC hat from under the FSU hat. Real classy.

have to agree....the way he did it was not very becoming....as much as I do not like FSU that was wrong

[Risa]

So the kid's a joker. So what. Y'all act like he went out and raped somebody, then pistol-whipped a cop for good measure after going on a five finger discount shopping spree. He's just trying to have a sense of humor, and a sense of suspense, instead of being dull.

What would y'all have rather he did? and if he had pulled the FSU out, would y'all have still bitched?

[Degenerate]

Sitting next to his dad who is a former FSU All-American, he raises the FSU hat and say, "I'm going to continue the Butler family legacy at...." and then he pulls the USC hat from under the FSU hat. Real classy.

Also known as pulling a Baron Davis.

[Killian]

So the kid's a joker. So what. Y'all act like he went out and raped somebody, then pistol-whipped a cop for good measure after going on a five finger discount shopping spree. He's just trying to have a sense of humor, and a sense of suspense, instead of being dull.

What would y'all have rather he did? and if he had pulled the FSU out, would y'all have still bitched?

The phrase "read more, post less" comes to mind.

The hat thing is old. Press conferences in general are old. If the kid wants some suspense, don't talk to recruiting services. End of story.

[Terry in Crapchester]

is Butler senior Bobby Butler?

I don't know, but if he is, might I say that it's awfully depressing that I remember the fathers of many of these recruits. But I suppose it "beats the alternative" . . .

[T REX]

So the kid's a joker. So what. Y'all act like he went out and raped somebody, then pistol-whipped a cop for good measure after going on a five finger discount shopping spree. He's just trying to have a sense of humor, and a sense of suspense, instead of being dull.

What would y'all have rather he did? and if he had pulled the FSU out, would y'all have still bitched?

Its low class....period.....joker? At a press con? It lacks class and its immature. USC got a real winner.

Its called PUNK!!!!

[SoCalTrjn]

No PUNK is when James Wilsons mom threw him out of the house for wanting to go to USC so he will be near his dad who lives in LA and who she hates because Urban Meyer, who is named after a NAZI fighter pilot, tells her that she needs to do something to convince her som to play for Florida.
Kids do the hat thing all the time, last year Donovan Warren had Mark Carrier who was his god father and a host of other Trojans at his press conference to choose Michigan, the Trojans said the kid has to go where he feels is right for him. Omar Bolden had just a USC hat at his press conference then he tossed it at the crowd, unzipped his jacket and showed off his ASU shirt.
Maybe all the kids should just show up at the college they plan to attend in a Stretch Hummer and then try to get all their HS teammates to go with them.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Urban Meyer, who is named after a NAZI fighter pilot, . . .

He's named after a Pope.

[T REX]

Urban Meyer, who is named after a NAZI fighter pilot,

Good gawd man

[Adelpiero]

So the kid's a joker. So what. Y'all act like he went out and raped somebody, then pistol-whipped a cop for good measure after going on a five finger discount shopping spree. He's just trying to have a sense of humor, and a sense of suspense, instead of being dull.

What would y'all have rather he did? and if he had pulled the FSU out, would y'all have still bitched?

someone take the trash out

this fat piece of shit needs to be weaned from the sports forums. let her and the wankers spam main, but keep the auntjamamishaniqawa clone out. as you noticed, she has nothing to add.

[Adelpiero]

crown

if he had done the same thing, but pulled the FSU or Duke hat out, would you feel differently? Of course you would, he would be a seminole or bluedevil and you wouldnt give shit about what he did or pulled on announcement day. they are silly kids, not to mention their glory hunting mothers who think being the 9th tackle recruited at Tenn is going to get the family paid, so let them be kids!

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I give Bannie the benefit of the doubt she won't be shitting all over this forum. If one day she gets really really bored and decides to, then the clamps will come down in no time.

[Cicero]

Cicero

if he had done the same thing, but pulled the FSU or Duke hat out, would you feel differently? Of course you would, he would be a seminole or bluedevil and you wouldnt give shit about what he did or pulled on announcement day. they are silly kids, not to mention their glory hunting mothers who think being the 9th tackle recruited at Tenn is going to get the family paid, so let them be kids!

I would have thought it was classless if he picked us. I am not a fan of the hat shit.

BTW, he is the son of Bobby Butler.

[Risa]

Sigh.

My points: The kid was trying to display a sense of humor. The kid didn't kill anyone. Would certain fans here have bitched if his ultimate choice was FSU.

Adelpiero at 8:38pm MST says: As you noticed, she has nothing to add.

Adelpiero at 8:42pm MST says: Would Crown have felt differently if he pulled FSU or Duke out. The kid is being silly, so let the kid be a kid.

Would it be appropriate to retort "As you noticed, Adelpiero has nothing to add" at this point, or just let it alone?

No PUNK is when James Wilsons mom threw him out of the house for wanting to go to USC so he will be near his dad who lives in LA and who she hates because Urban Meyer, who is named after a NAZI fighter pilot, tells her that she needs to do something to convince her som to play for Florida.
Kids do the hat thing all the time, last year Donovan Warren had Mark Carrier who was his god father and a host of other Trojans at his press conference to choose Michigan, the Trojans said the kid has to go where he feels is right for him. Omar Bolden had just a USC hat at his press conference then he tossed it at the crowd, unzipped his jacket and showed off his ASU shirt.
Maybe all the kids should just show up at the college they plan to attend in a Stretch Hummer and then try to get all their HS teammates to go with them.

Yes, it would be nice if those kids pulled up in a stretch hummer and tried to get all of their HS teammates to go with them, particularly those students who aren't recruits. Everyone could see that it's possible to 'shoot higher' and you don't have to have a strong arm or quick feet to be considered college material. But the schools would have to want the kids to do that, instead of thinking of the kids as disposable assets. Who has the quote from Jim Harbaugh about Michigan funnelling students into Sports Communication, and then the kids being ignored after graduation? Killian -- that was deep.

Donovan Warren wasted a lot of people's time to pull off something that lame, wasteful and truly irresponsible; unless the former players knew that Donovan was going to choose Michigan, and were hoping to send a subtle 'fuck you' to USC as well. Which was it?

Urban Meyer is evil. What was he planning on doing for the kid and his mother to make her convincing him to go to Florida over USC so worthwhile in the first place? He should have been investigated for bribes and inappropriate contact with recruits, there's no telling what else he may have done. Or has he been investigated? James Wilson choosing USC to be closer to his father blows my mind. That's one genius slice of bullshit. But Mother Wilson throwing her son out of the house because of that is a bigger slice of bullshit. What was Meyer offering that Mother Wilson couldn't put her hands on because sonnyboy chose USC?

[Mr T]

My points: The kid was trying to display a sense of humor. The kid didn't kill anyone. Would certain fans here have bitched if his ultimate choice was FSU.

The kid was trying to do what he has seen done time and time again.

No he didnt kill anyone. No one said he did but it is classless no matter what school he is going to.

To answer your question: Would certain fans here have bitched if his ultimate choice was FSU?

No. I dont really watch that shit because well it is shit. Cicero wouldnt have because he is a two-faced bitch who roots for duke in basketball and fsu in football. The rest of the noles wouldnt have posted that because they arent going to bitch about recruiting when we have brand new coaches and one of the most promising seasons that we have had in a while ahead of us.

Would schmuck bitched about it if it went the other way? Maybe, he kinda likes those antics but not if they are going against him. Kinda like his little league baseball team.

All in all, I dont know why you cant see the action as classless and move on.

Urban Meyer, who is named after a NAZI fighter pilot

Is that some alternative smack, instead of calling a dude a homo, these days?

If not, can I get a link to that story? Because that would be fucking hilarious.

[Killian]

I love when other people get bored and decide to come over here and start posting without having been through a full college football season. They try to enlighten us all on how "kids are just being kids" and "who cares what they do to announce, it's funny, they're having a good time!" Deep or not, read more and post much less.

Meyer was named after a pope.

And Schmick, that was the most bitter post I've ever seen, considering they types of classes Troy has pulled in over the last 5 years. But hey, maybe Ken Norton Jr.'s little brother shouldn't be on a local Texas TV show trying to convince Darryl Stonum to go to USC, minutes before the show aired and he committed to UofM.

Don't worry, Weis won't pull the top ranked QB out of California for the third straight year. Will he?

[T REX]

Urban Meyer is a national champion.

FTFY.

[PSUFAN]

He's not the first one to play the hat game, theyre all doing it.

Not really, Schmick. There are plenty of verbals that are made more humbly.

I'm not a fan of that kind of show. If you must schedule a press conference, just announce where you're going and get the fuck off the stage, thank you very much.

[Risa]

Urban Meyer is a national champion.

FTFY.

Urban Meyer is no better than Dave Bliss, if he's breaking families apart and strong-arming mothers, for the sake of his silly ass football program. Dave's bullshit led to a young man dying. Urban was trying to fuck up a family. Dave was doing dirty shit, for UNM and Baylor. Urban... again, has he been investigated? A national championship should not be pursued at all costs. That young man should have been worth more to that school, than Meyer's job security and alumni dollars. What would the kid have ultimately gotten out of Meyer's underhandedness?

I love when other people get bored and decide to come over here and start posting without having been through a full college football season. They try to enlighten us all on how "kids are just being kids" and "who cares what they do to announce, it's funny, they're having a good time!" Deep or not, read more and post much less.

It's just a game to me, Killian. I was a cheerleader and a band girl. We pepped folks up. We played jokes (well, others played jokes, I just laughed along). We were there for championships. We were there for the bitter end after other 'fans' had left because they couldn't take anymore. It's just a game, and it's supposed to be fun.

It's not fun when kids are used like disposable paper towels for a job, and are not compensated for all they bring to a program, but are expected to give their all anyway. It's not fun when kids' future needs beyond a program are not looked after. That's why your quote, from Harbaugh, was meaningful to me. I've always liked Harbaugh, mostly because I got a hoot out of a white man thanking his lord and personal savior Jesus Christ, and appearing to be sincere about it at that! and because I've always considered him Jim Elway without the ring, for his contributions to, and tirelessness and spiritedness with, the Indianapolis Colts (what a difference between him and Jeff George). But his statement about how Michigan treats its student athletes is troubling to me. Its supposed to be a game.

So if some kids wanna play juvenile 'gotcha!' tricks at declarations, well.... they're the ones ultimately being gotten, and god help them to keep healthy for their 4 (or 5) years. It's that Matthew McConaghey character from Dazed and Confused, talking about himself getting older but girls remaining the same age....... and just as sad, because this is supposed to be the beginning of the rest of these kids' lives, and the universities are running a cruel game on them.


Does someone really need to vicariously live through their school's program, to have an opinion upon that program?

[Killian]

You are taking the least credible person on this board and his post as 100% gospel. Do a little research and learn things before you start comparing Urban Meyer to a guy that tried to cover up a fucking murder.

And don't give me that "poor exploited young athlete" bullshit. Most of these kids are getting a chance that wouldn't be given to them if they were not athletes. If they fuck it up, it's on them.

[T REX]

Who the fuck is this person?

Wow, you must be way down on the list to have Killian defending Meyer to you.

THAT about says it all.

[Mr T]

the universities are running a cruel game on them.

Giving them a free ride through college in exchange for them playing a game they love?

Damn those universities are mean.

BTW, do you think most of the guys, those involved in college sports, would even go to college if it werent for sports?

[TheChief]

T, TREX, and Killian...all correct. Nice job Gents.

[Risa]

the universities are running a cruel game on them.

Giving them a free ride through college in exchange for them playing a game they love?

Damn those universities are mean.

BTW, do you think most of the guys, those involved in college sports, would even go to college if it werent for sports?

They have no business being in college, if all they're there to do is play sports. More schools need to adopt Notre Dame's policy in that regard. Otherwise, call a spade a spade, allow schools to run minor league professional teams, and let them PAY their recruits a decent wage.

It's not a free ride if your scholarship is dependent upon you performing on the field instead of in class. It's indentured servitude, and the price is too steep to put on young men.

Or do you support what these schools do to these young athletes?

[Killian]

They have no business being in college, if all they're there to do is play sports. More schools need to adopt Notre Dame's policy in that regard. Otherwise, call a spade a spade, allow schools to run minor league professional teams, and let them PAY their recruits a decent wage.

It's not a free ride if your scholarship is dependent upon you performing on the field instead of in class. It's indentured servitude, and the price is too steep to put on young men.

Or do you support what these schools do to these young athletes?

Honestly, know what the hell you are talking about before you start throwing other teams out there. The main difference between ND and other schools is that ND requires an additional core couse coming out of high school.

And for all schools, their scholarship is not dependent upon them performing on the field. This isn't the 50's. Bear doesn't have "meat runs" anymore.

Most of these kids are getting the chance to go to school for free. What most schools need to concentrate is actually helping these kids graduate instead of farming them into joke majors and then forgetting if they graduate or not.

[Terry in Crapchester]

They have no business being in college, if all they're there to do is play sports. More schools need to adopt Notre Dame's policy in that regard. Otherwise, call a spade a spade, allow schools to run minor league professional teams, and let them PAY their recruits a decent wage.

It's not a free ride if your scholarship is dependent upon you performing on the field instead of in class. It's indentured servitude, and the price is too steep to put on young men.

Or do you support what these schools do to these young athletes?

Honestly, know what the hell you are talking about before you start throwing other teams out there. The main difference between ND and other schools is that ND requires an additional core couse coming out of high school.

In fairness to Risa, there is a difference between ND and most other schools in terms of graduation rates among players. But as you allude to below, I suspect that has more to do with ND doing a better job than most other schools when it comes to giving these kids the resources they need to graduate once they're in school.

Also in fairness to Risa, I have little doubt that some -- certainly not all, but some -- of these kids see college football as nothing more than a stepping stone to the NFL. Where I am less certain is how the responsibility for this should be apportioned among coaching staffs, athletic departments, administrations, etc., and what to do about it.

And for all schools, their scholarship is not dependent upon them performing on the field. This isn't the 50's. Bear doesn't have "meat runs" anymore.

When I was in the Navy, there was a SCPO who found out I had gone to Notre Dame and wanted to chat me up about college football.

He was a really big guy, and it turns out that he had gone to Iowa on a football scholarship ('sup, NOJ). He was quite a bit older than me, and IIRC the relevant time frame was the 1960's. Anyway, he blew out his knee and couldn't play football anymore. When that happened, Iowa pulled his football scholarship. Without the scholarship, he couldn't afford to attend college anymore, and he wound up in the Navy.

Of course, even by the time I attended college in the Stone Ages (1982-86), the NCAA had corrected that. Now, a kid who suffers a career-ending injury doesn't lose his athletic scholarship for that reason. The school is prohibited from taking it away under those circumstances, and the NCAA allows that scholarship not to count against the school's limit so that the school doesn't get penalized for keeping the kid on scholarship.

About the only way you can lose an athletic scholarship these days is if you either: (a) quit school; or (b) are dismissed from the team for academic or behavioral reasons. That's dismissed, not suspended. When I was at ND, there were a couple of basketball players who had some academic difficulties. Dan Duff was suspended from the team for a semester for academics. He didn't lose his scholarship. Barry Spencer battled academic eligibility his entire career at ND (in fact, Spencer, who was two years ahead of me at ND, was in my freshman calculus class as a junior. I think that course really bedeviled him.) He never lost his scholarship either.

Most of these kids are getting the chance to go to school for free. What most schools need to concentrate is actually helping these kids graduate instead of farming them into joke majors and then forgetting if they graduate or not.

Agreed.

[Mr T]

They have no business being in college, if all they're there to do is play sports.

No, they have to attend classes. Otherwise, they get kicked out of school.

When you turn 18, you are an adult in the law's eyes.

These kids get a free ride to a university and get to play a sport they love to play. It is up to them with what they do with the free ride

If you dont attend classes you lose your scholarship.

It's not a free ride if your scholarship is dependent upon you performing on the field instead of in class.

These kids are student-athletes. If you dont perform in class, you lose your scholarship. If you dont perform on the field, you lose your scholarship.

It's indentured servitude, and the price is too steep to put on young men.

Fucking retarded. If these young men feel too burden by these scholarships, then they can play Division 3 College Football. No scholarships, no top notch facilities, no top notch training staff to look after you. Just old time hockey...err...football.

Or do you support what these schools do to these young athletes?

What are they doing to them?

Ask Warrick Dunn what he thinks of college athletics

[Mr T]

Most of these kids are getting the chance to go to school for free. What most schools need to concentrate is actually helping these kids graduate instead of farming them into joke majors and then forgetting if they graduate or not.

Does the college help a regular student to graduate?

I am just wondering Killian....

Who do you think gets more help in college, athletes or regular students?

You are in college. Nobody is making you go. It is up to you whether you graduate or not. It is up to you what major you have. It's college, not high school.

[T REX]

Indentured servitude?

Okay, that's all I needed to hear. The chip on that shoulder is weighing you down.

Is this the MLK troll or something?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Most of these kids are getting the chance to go to school for free. What most schools need to concentrate is actually helping these kids graduate instead of farming them into joke majors and then forgetting if they graduate or not.

Does the college help a regular student to graduate?

I am just wondering Killian....

Who do you think gets more help in college, athletes or regular students?

You are in college. Nobody is making you go. It is up to you whether you graduate or not. It is up to you what major you have. It's college, not high school.

Not to speak for Killian, but I think the point he was making is that many of these kids wouldn't get a second look from the admissions office at their schools were it not for the fact that they're exceptional athletes. I'd be either extremely naive or a homer to think that doesn't go on at ND, and ND is by no means the worst offender in that area.

Some of these kids come in at an academic disadvantage relative to many of their classmates, and they need a little extra help to make sure they don't fall through the cracks. If a school isn't willing to do that, they probably should either abandon the student/athlete ideal entirely, or drop down to a less competitive athletic level.

[Screw_Michigan]

Urban Meyer is no better than Dave Bliss

OFF THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. unfucking real.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Nice to see Risa get shit hammered here like in Cul De Smack...must feel just like home...


fuck...schollie, training table, travel, etc, etc...yeah i would just turn it all down...

[SoCalTrjn]

Urban Meier was a Luftwaffe pilot with 68 kills during WW2



Aaron Corp will be a better QB than Claussen, and the kid UCLA got out of Edison is better than Crist, unless you rely on Lemming for your recruiting rankings

[Bucmonkey]

Bitterness is truley a bitch to deal with it seems. Good stuff BTCFB It's usually readable......