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Oops

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:12 am
by Mister Bushice
Is it any wonder the insurgency is so well armed ? We've been arming some of them.

Nothing like a good old fashioned leveler, to make it more of a fair fight.
Pentagon loses track of weapons for Iraqi forces

By David Morgan Mon Aug 6, 12:49 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon cannot account for 190,000 AK-47 rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, or about half the weapons earmarked for soldiers and police, according to a government report.
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The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of the U.S. Congress, said in a July 31 report to lawmakers that the Defense Department also cannot account for 135,000 items of body armor and 115,000 helmets reported to be issued to Iraqi forces as of September 22, 2005.

The GAO said the Pentagon concurred with its findings and has begun a review to ensure full accountability for the program to train and equip Iraqi forces.

"However, our review of the 2007 property books found continuing problems with missing and incomplete records," the GAO report said.

The report raised concerns that weapons provided by the United States could be falling into the hands of Iraqi insurgents, just as lawmakers and policymakers in Washington await a September report on the success of U.S. President George W. Bush's surge strategy for stabilizing Baghdad.

One senior Pentagon official told The Washington Post some weapons probably were being used against U.S. troops. He said an Iraqi brigade created in Fallujah disintegrated in 2004 and began fighting American soldiers.

Many in Washington view the development of effective Iraqi army and police forces as a vital step toward reducing the number of U.S. troops in Iraq.

Since 2003, the United States has provided about $19.2 billion to develop Iraqi security forces, the GAO said. The Defense Department has recently asked for another $2 billion to continue the train-and-equip program.

Congress funded the program for Iraqi security forces outside traditional security assistance programs, providing the Pentagon with a large degree of flexibility in managing the effort, the GAO said.

"Officials stated that since the funding did not go through traditional security assistance programs, the DOD accountability requirements normally applicable to these programs did not apply," the GAO report said.

Military officials in Iraq reported issuing 355,000 weapons to Iraqi security forces from June 2004 through September 2005, including 185,000 rifles and 170,000 pistols, the GAO said.

But the Defense Department could not account for 110,000 rifles and 80,000 pistols, the GAO said. Those sums amount to about 54 percent of the total weapons distributed to the Iraqi forces.

The GAO quoted officials as saying the agency responsible for handling weapons distribution was too short-staffed to record information on individual items given to Iraqi forces.

Accountability procedures also could not be fully implemented because of the need to equip Iraqi forces rapidly for combat operations, the GAO found.

Re: Oops

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:23 am
by Dr_Phibes
He said an Iraqi brigade created in Fallujah disintegrated in 2004 and began fighting American soldiers.
I never heard that before - that's hilarious. A mini Vlasov Army.

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:23 pm
by OCmike
More of the same from the Bush Administration. Send over the body armor and weapons, but have no oversight of how they're distributed, or to whom. I mean, we are talking about a huge scale shipment, so some loss would be expected, especially with the Army supply dept. involved. But 50%?? Ouch.

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:36 pm
by Mikey
Doh.

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:50 pm
by Dinsdale
mvscal wrote: It's an easy fix, though. No more weapons. No more money.

NOW we're talking, my Conservative Brother.

Just add "no more US occupation of foreign countries," and we're set.

Bring them ALL home tomorrow. Not just from Iraq. Not just from Afghanistan. From all 130+ countries.

National defense will always trump national offense.

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:25 pm
by Mikey
Just issue AK47s to all embassy staff. No more need for guards.

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:47 pm
by Dinsdale
Spin it however you like, but it doesn't take 350,000 troops to gaurd US Embassies and our nations borders.

Period.

Call me conservative like that.

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:30 am
by LTS TRN 2
Babs supports Rove (automatically, every time),

Rove supports reckless catastrophic invasions (continues to insist Iraq invasion was necessary and proper), therefore

Babs supports reckless invasions (strapped to the mast, going down with the ship, blotto)


Very simple, predictable, boring, and really stupid.

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:23 pm
by Mister Bushice
Curiouser and curiouser:

Makes you wonder how many secret deals weren't discovered. Bush has, as usual WAAAY underestimated the sincerity and honestly of iraqis.

Or else perhaps the US is somehow involved too? Wouldn't be the first time we've armed our future enemies.
Italy probe unearths huge Iraq arms deal

By CHARLES J. HANLEY and ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

PERUGIA, Italy - In a hidden corner of Rome's busy Fiumicino Airport, police dug quietly through a traveler's checked baggage, looking for smuggled drugs. What they found instead was a catalog of weapons, a clue to something bigger.

Their discovery led anti-Mafia investigators down a monthslong trail of telephone and e-mail intercepts, into the midst of a huge black-market transaction, as Iraqi and Italian partners haggled over shipping more than 100,000 Russian-made automatic weapons into the bloodbath of Iraq.

As the secretive, $40 million deal neared completion, Italian authorities moved in, making arrests and breaking it up. But key questions remain unanswered.

For one thing, The Associated Press has learned that Iraqi government officials were involved in the deal, apparently without the knowledge of the U.S. Baghdad command — a departure from the usual pattern of U.S.-overseen arms purchases.

Why these officials resorted to "black" channels and where the weapons were headed is unclear.

The purchase would merely have been the most spectacular example of how Iraq has become a magnet for arms traffickers and a place of vanishing weapons stockpiles and uncontrolled gun markets since the 2003 U.S. invasion and the onset of civil war.

Some guns the U.S. bought for Iraq's police and army are unaccounted for, possibly fallen into the hands of insurgents or sectarian militias. Meanwhile, the planned replacement of the army's AK-47s with U.S.-made M-16s may throw more assault rifles onto the black market. And the weapons free-for-all apparently is spilling over borders: Turkey and Iran complain U.S.-supplied guns are flowing from Iraq to anti-government militants on their soil.

Iraqi middlemen in the Italian deal, in intercepted e-mails, claimed the arrangement had official American approval. A U.S. spokesman in Baghdad denied that.

"Iraqi officials did not make MNSTC-I aware that they were making purchases," Lt. Col. Daniel Williams of the Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq (MNSTC-I), which oversees arming and training of the Iraqi police and army, told the AP.

Operation Parabellum, the investigation led by Dario Razzi, anti-Mafia prosecutor in this central Italian city, began in 2005 as a routine investigation into drug trafficking by organized-crime figures, branched out into an inquiry into arms dealing with Libya, and then widened to Iraq.

Court documents obtained by the AP show that Razzi's break came early last year when police monitoring one of the drug suspects covertly opened his luggage as he left on a flight to Libya. Instead of the expected drugs, they found helmets, bulletproof vests and the weapons catalog.

Tapping telephones, monitoring e-mails, Razzi's investigators followed the trail to a group of Italian businessmen, otherwise unrelated to the drug probe, who were working to sell arms to Libya and, by late 2006, to Iraq as well, through offshore companies they set up in Malta and Cyprus.

Four Italians have been arrested and are awaiting court indictment for allegedly creating a criminal association and alleged arms trafficking — trading in weapons without a government license. A fifth Italian is being sought in Africa. In addition, 13 other Italians were arrested on drug charges.

In the documents, Razzi describes it as "strange" that the U.S.-supported Iraqi government would seek such weapons via the black market.

Investigators say the prospect of an Iraq deal was raised last November, when an Iraqi-owned trading firm e-mailed Massimo Bettinotti, 39, owner of the Malta-based MIR Ltd., about whether MIR could supply 100,000 AK-47 assault rifles and 10,000 machine guns "to the Iraqi Interior Ministry," adding that "this deal is approved by America and Iraq."

The go-between — the Al-Handal General Trading Co. in Dubai — apparently had communicated with Bettinotti earlier about buying night visors and had been told MIR could also procure weapons.

Al-Handal has figured in questionable dealings before, having been identified by U.S. investigators three years ago as a "front company" in Iraq's Oil-for-Food scandal.

The Interior Ministry's need at that point for such a massive weapons shipment is unclear. The U.S. training command had already reported it would arm all Interior Ministry police by the end of 2006 through its own three-year-old program, which as of July 26 has bought 701,000 weapons for the Iraqi army and police with $237 million in U.S. government funds.

Negotiations on the deal progressed quickly in e-mail exchanges between the Italians and Iraqi middlemen of the al-Handal company and its parent al-Thuraya Group. But at times the discussion turned murky and nervous.

The Iraqis alternately indicated the Interior Ministry or "security ministries" would be the end users. At one point, a worried Bettinotti e-mailed, "We prefer to speak about this deal face to face and not by e-mail."

The Italians sent several offers of various types and quantities of rifles, with photos included. The negotiating focused on the source of the weapons: The Iraqi middlemen said their buyer insisted they be Russian-made, but the Italians wanted to sell AK-47s made in China, where they had better contacts.

"We are in a hurry with this deal," an impatient Waleed Noori al-Handal, Jordan-based general manager of the Iraqi firm, wrote the Italians on Nov. 13 in one of the e-mails seen by AP.

He added, in apparent allusion to the shipment's clandestine nature, "You mustn't worry if it's a problem to import these goods directly into Iraq. We can bring the product to another country and then transfer it to Iraq."

By December, the Italians, having found a Bulgarian broker, were offering Russian-made goods: 50,000 AKM rifles, an improved version of the AK-47; 50,000 AKMS rifles, the same gun with folding stock; and 5,000 PKM machine guns.

The Iraqis quibbled over the asking price, $39.7 million, but seemed satisfied. The Italians were set for a $6.6 million profit, the court documents show, and were already discussing air transport for the weapons. At this point prosecutor Razzi acted, seeking an arrest warrant from a Perugia court.

"The negotiation with Iraq is developing very quickly," he wrote the judge.

On Feb. 12, in seven locations across Italy, police arrested the 17 men, including the four alleged arms traffickers: Bettinotti; Gianluca Squarzolo, 39, the man whose luggage had yielded the original clue; Ermete Moretti, 55, and Serafino Rossi, 64. If convicted, they could be sentenced to up to 12 years in prison.

The at-large fifth man, Vittorio Dordi, 42, was believed to be in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where he apparently is involved in the diamond trade. Italian authorities were seeking information on him from the African country.

In the parallel Libya case, the Italians allegedly paid two Libyan Defense Ministry officials about $500,000 in kickbacks to speed that transaction for Chinese-made assault rifles. It isn't known whether such bribes were a factor in the Iraq deal. No Libyans or Iraqis are known to have been detained in connection with the cases.

Al-Handal's operations have caught investigators' notice before. In 1996-2003, the company was involved as a broker in the kickback scandal known as Oil for Food, the CIA says.

In that program, Iraq under U.N. economic sanctions bought food and other necessities with U.N.-supervised oil revenues. Foreign companies, often through intermediaries, surreptitiously kicked back payments to officials of Saddam Hussein's Iraqi government in exchange for such supply contracts.

Those Iraqi middlemen also engaged in "misrepresenting the origin or final destination of goods," said the 2004 report of the CIA's Iraq Survey Group, which investigated both Iraq's defunct advanced weapons programs and Oil for Food.

That report also alleged that during this period Al-Handal General Trading, from its bases in Dubai and Jordan, secretly moved unspecified "equipment" into Iraq that was forbidden by the U.N. sanctions.

Reached at his office in Amman, Jordan, Waleed Noori al-Handal denied the family firm had done anything wrong in the Italian arms case.

"We don't have anything to hide," he told the AP.

Citing the names of "friends" in top U.S. military ranks in Iraq, al-Handal said his company has fulfilled scores of supply and service contracts for the U.S. occupation. Asked why he claimed U.S. approval for the abortive Italian weapons purchase, he said he had a document from the U.S. Army "that says, 'We allow al-Thuraya Group to do all kinds of business.'"

In Baghdad, the Interior Ministry wouldn't discuss the AK-47 transaction on the record. But a senior ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity, acknowledged it had sought the weapons through al-Handal.

Asked about the irregular channels used, he said the ministry "doesn't ask the supplier how these weapons are obtained."

Although this official refused to discuss details, he said "most" of the 105,000 weapons were meant for police in Iraq's western province of Anbar. That statement raised questions, however, since Pentagon reports list only 161,000 trained police across all 18 of Iraq's provinces, and say the ministry has been issued 169,280 AK-47s, 167,789 pistols and 16,398 machine guns for them and 28,000 border police.

A July 26 Pentagon report said 20,847 other AK-47s purchased for the Interior Ministry have not yet been delivered. Iraqi officials complain that the U.S. supply of equipment, from bullets to uniforms, has been slow.

A Pentagon report in June may have touched on another possible destination for weapons obtained via secretive channels, noting that "militia infiltration of local police remains a significant problem." Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq's civil war have long been known to find cover and weapons within the Interior Ministry.

In fact, in a further sign of poor controls on the flow of arms into Iraq, a July 31 audit report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office said the U.S. command's books don't contain records on 190,000 AK-47s and other weapons, more than half those issued in 2004-2005 to Iraqi forces. This makes it difficult to trace weapons that may be passed on to militias or insurgents.

The Pentagon, meanwhile, has described the Interior Ministry's accounting of police equipment as unreliable.

Here in Italy, Razzi expressed puzzlement at the Iraqi officials' circumvention of U.S. supply routes.

"It seems strange that a pro-Western government, supported by the U.S. Army and other NATO countries on its own territory, would seek Russian or Chinese weapons through questionable channels," the anti-Mafia prosecutor wrote in seeking the arrest warrant that short-circuited the complex deal.

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:40 pm
by LTS TRN 2
That's right, Busher, PNAC and its minions WANT sustained civil war in Iraq....so we HAVE to stay. It's simple, pernicious, completely illegal, and disastrous. But business as usual for the most incompetent political cabal in American history.

And while such vile actions are expected of the Cheney/Ziocon mafia, the most troubling aspect of this astonishing maneuver is that it WON'T be a leading story on Leher News Hour or any mainstream news service.

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:54 pm
by OCmike
LTS TRN 2 wrote:That's right, Busher, PNAC and its minions WANT sustained civil war in Iraq....so we HAVE to stay. It's simple, pernicious, completely illegal, and disastrous. But business as usual for the most incompetent political cabal in American history.

And while such vile actions are expected of the Cheney/Ziocon mafia, the most troubling aspect of this astonishing maneuver is that it WON'T be a leading story on Leher News Hour or any mainstream news service.
Right, because the media hates reporting negative stuff about the Bush Administration. Jeez, you're an idiot.

Might want to put on a two-ply tinfoil hat. Karl Rove is reading your thoughts, so the black helicopters hovering over your house can't be far behind.

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:18 pm
by LTS TRN 2
No, Rove is reading a subpoena while being with his family. As for my paranoia, let's see if this story gets any serious attention.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:31 am
by Mister Bushice
OCmike wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:That's right, Busher, PNAC and its minions WANT sustained civil war in Iraq....so we HAVE to stay. It's simple, pernicious, completely illegal, and disastrous. But business as usual for the most incompetent political cabal in American history.

And while such vile actions are expected of the Cheney/Ziocon mafia, the most troubling aspect of this astonishing maneuver is that it WON'T be a leading story on Leher News Hour or any mainstream news service.
Right, because the media hates reporting negative stuff about the Bush Administration. Jeez, you're an idiot.

Might want to put on a two-ply tinfoil hat. Karl Rove is reading your thoughts, so the black helicopters hovering over your house can't be far behind.
Setting aside FOOs insanity, You have to admit the clusterfuck in Iraq is not improving, will not improve, and unless some miracle occurs, wil end much as the Vietnam war did, with us leaving there from the roof top of the embassy with an invasion of a different kind blazing in our wake.

How much money and blood do we have to keep pouring in to Iraq knowing that the government is on the verge collapsing, arms are pouring into iraq from every direction including from within those persons who were trusted to help right the ship, and that there is no end game even in sight?

Sorry but I see nothing positive coming out of this situation.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:42 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Michael Yon is a cheerleader for this nightmare. His entire take is predicated on....?....well, apparently that the invasion was proper, etc. Of course the entire Quagmire is a catastrophe--and getting worse.

Petraeus? This is the reason to continue? To infer some "progress"?

You're kidding, right?

Excuse me, but the U.S. just GAVE the various insurgents/terrorists/Al Qaeda/ Evil Doers approximately 190,000 AK-47s. None of those inferior M-16s, mind you.

And the "surge" has predictably taken the shape of ghastly air-strikes on civilians, etc.

Despite the nauseating gung-ho bile of Yon ("our guys were real pros"), this invasion remains both an astonishing act of incompetence as well as a heinous crime.

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:20 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:His entire take is predicated on...?
More than two years of direct, observational experience with American and Iraqi forces all over Iraq.

And your entire take is predicated on...?
I'll never understand why you engage this tard on any level.

If you're bored, I'll step up my "A" game.

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:14 pm
by Goober McTuber
Martyred wrote:If you're bored, I'll step up my "A" game.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:09 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:His entire take is predicated on...?
More than two years of direct, observational experience with American and Iraqi forces all over Iraq.

And your entire take is predicated on...?
I'll never understand why you engage this tard on any level.

If you're bored, I'll step up my "A" game.
Your WHAT?

Does M-tyrd actually have an opinion? Any suggestion whatever as to why assessing the U.S. invasion of Iraq as a crime and a Quagmire is "tard"-like?

You're just as hollow and fake as babs, and you dare not offer anything--or I'll stomp you like a Two-Buck Chuck grape.