T1B

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:04 am**

And until recently, I had never heard of reverse mining. However that works, it sure pisses off one Robert Murray if anyone suggests that his mine operation in Utah was engaging in it.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6570325?source=rss

And it was too a goddamn earthquake that caused the mine collapse you irresponsible, sensationalistic, journalist morons.

I mean, who you gonna' believe? The USGS or the mine owner?

As far as those trapped miners are concerned, 'bode Darwin.

Who needs coal anyway?

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:25 pm**

somebody needs to tell mine owner dude to have himself a nice steaming hot mug of STFU.

hasn't dude over heard the line "me thinks he doth protest too much"?

Dude has been jumping all over media types who are just axing questions. And to state unequivocally (sp) that it had to be an earth quake is just plain dumb. His comments should be limited to we don't know exactly how it happened, but, we are in a very dangerous bidness and are making every attempt to resque those poor fukks.

One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:31 pm**

What do you expect from a person who would lay off people right before Christmas?

Last year, he completed the purchase of the former Andalex Resources mines in Utah. One of his first moves was to shut down the Tower Mine, idling 114 workers less than two weeks before Christmas.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:35 pm**

Maybe he thought there was about to be an earthquake near the Tower Mine. Safety first and all...

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:41 pm**

smackaholic wrote:
One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.

That would be West Virginia.

(not exactly "out west")

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:03 pm**

mvscal wrote: It's called retreat mining and there is no doubt that the technique was being used at that mine.

Retreat, reverse... yeah, whatever. I stand corrected. I said I'd never heard of it.

I was watching this dude on Tuesday morning and saw veins bulging in his forehead when someone asked about "reverse" mining. Seems those who would suggest they were doing that are dumbfucks that don't know what they're talking about. People with an agenda, like say, union reps who want their people to have safer working conditions.

Not that a coal mine owner would ever have a different agenda or anything.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:27 pm**

There were 39 coal mining deaths in the US in 2006, a rate of about 47 fatalities per 100,000 workers.
In 1907 there were 3,242 fatalities, a rate of 476 per 100,000 workers.

In China there were 6027 reported deaths in 2005 which is about 200 fatalities per 100,000 workers and 50 times the US rate per unit output (according to Wiki, anyway). You can bet that the actual number was a lot higher.

Safety has improved a lot in the US but working underground is going to be dangerous (not just from accidents but from lung disease) no matter what.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:59 pm**

War Wagon wrote:As far as those trapped miners are concerned, 'bode Darwin.

You're a fucking asshole.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:06 pm**

"If they wanted to breathe, they should have used some of those Breathe Right strips.
They really open up your nasal passages, you know. I use 'em and my wife
says I don't snore anymore."

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:30 pm**

War Wagon wrote:And until recently, I had never heard of reverse mining. However that works, it sure pisses off one Robert Murray if anyone suggests that his mine operation in Utah was engaging in it.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6570325?source=rss

This is the part of the article that should send a chill over the room.

But safety at some of his mines was suspect. Only a few months' data is available for the Crandall Canyon mine under his ownership, but at several other mines owned by Murray, the accident rate was well above the national average, in some years several times the rate for comparable mines.
And in 2003, KenAmerican Resources, a company owned by Murray, was convicted of violating mine safety laws at a Kentucky mine and the company was fined $306,000.
Murray backs his political beliefs with his pocketbook. He contributed more than $213,000 to Republican candidates over the last decade. Three political action committees tied to Murray's businesses have given $724,500 to Republican candidates and causes, including $4,000 to Rep. Chris Cannon.
He made use of his political ties to Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, who is married to Labor Secretary Elaine Chao and oversees MSHA, to get back at a safety regulator who had crossed him, according to the Lexington Herald-Journal. In the meeting, Murray shouted that "Mitch McConnell calls me one of the five finest men in America, and last I checked, he was sleeping with your boss."
Murray denied he referred to McConnell and Chao sleeping together. Tim Thompson, the MSHA manager who was the target of Murray's wrath, was reassigned and later retired.

If you're a worker who votes Republican, you might just as well be buying the rope for your own lynching.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:46 pm**

Every time BSmack types out another implied "Democrats really care" post, I lose a little more respect for him.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:54 pm**

OCmike wrote:Every time BSmack types out another implied "Democrats really care" post, I lose a little more respect for him.

Actually he said Republicans don't care. It may have been implied that Dems do care but he did not say that "Democrats really care."

This place seems very partisan for a sports board.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:02 pm**

There's really only a few partisan fucks here (on either side of the aisle) and BSmack is their king. Most of us are middle-of-the-roaders.

For myself, every time I take one of those questionaires that tell you what your political affiliation is, I come out as a slightly right-leaning libertarian.

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edit to add...

This may be primarily a sports website, but this is the smack forum where pretty much anything goes. ...unless it really sucks or something.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:07 pm**

mvscal wrote:Right. Because only Democrats care about worker safety.

Worker safety is not the only issue. Just about any issue that relates to labor vs capital you can depend on the GOP taking the "pro-business" point of view at the expense of the working person. Sadly, the Democrats often take the "GOP Lite" position. Were it up to me, there would be a true progressive Labor Party in America.

BTW: Mike, if you keep repeating that I am a partisan hack, someday someone might believe it.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:10 pm**

mvscal wrote:Pulling pillars is what makes retreat mining so dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing. If they weren't pulling pillars then, theoretically, it is no more dangerous than any other form of mining....which is not a particularly safe occupation if anyone was wondering.

That's why strip mining has replaced underground mining pretty much everywhere in the country... except, apparently, Utah

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:18 pm**

BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote:Right. Because only Democrats care about worker safety.
Worker safety is not the only issue. Just about any issue that relates to labor vs capital you can depend on the GOP taking the "pro-business" point of view at the expense of the working person. Sadly, the Democrats often take the "GOP Lite" position. Were it up to me, there would be a true progressive Labor Party in America.

BTW: Mike, if you keep repeating that I am a partisan hack, someday someone might believe it.

Not to nitpick, but I said "Partisan fuck". Anywho, don't take my word for it. Ask around...

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:21 pm**

Thank God I bought that earthquake insuarance. 3 dead miners in Princeton, Indiana, a 15 minute drive from where I live. I thought I felt some trembling.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:22 pm**

BSmack,

Who was the last Republican you voted for president?

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:28 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:BSmack,

Who was the last Republican you voted for president?

Reagan.

Surprised?

It might also surprise you to know that at one time I was a registered Republican.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:35 pm**

OCmike wrote:Every time BSmack types out another implied "Democrats really care" post, I lose a little more respect for him.

it's called "reading comprehension," douche. check into it sometime.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:45 pm**

mvscal wrote:Go ahead and "check into" pulling your head out of your ass, dumbshit. The implication was abundantly clear.

I suppose if your a partisan GOP fuck it is. For the rest of us, it was simply a statement of fact.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:45 pm**

Who didn't vote for Reagan? Well, I didn't, but that's because I wasn't old enough.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:46 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:Who didn't vote for Reagan? Well, I didn't, but that's because I wasn't old enough.

"

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:47 pm**

And the one state Mondale won...

Minnesota Ronald Reagan 1,032,603 49.5 Walter Mondale 1,036,364 49.7

oh, and I guess the DoC counts too but not really.

Dist. of Col. Ronald Reagan 29,009 13.7 Walter Mondale 180,408 85.4

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:52 pm**

Wasn't there another lopsided race in the '70s?

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:56 pm**

Nevermind. Johnson over Goldwater.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:57 pm**

mvscal wrote:Yeah, your mother lost.

Oh that burns, mvscal.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:01 pm**

mvscal wrote:Yeah, your mother lost.

That's a RACKer.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:04 pm**

RumpleForeskin wrote:Nevermind. Johnson over Goldwater.

That was '64.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:16 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:
RumpleForeskin wrote:Nevermind. Johnson over Goldwater.
That was '64.

Yeah. I couldn't remember, but I thought that was the biggest lopsided election of the 20th century.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:19 pm**

And I thought I stumbled into a mining disaster thread, how in hell did I end up in the spin zone....../ponder.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:20 pm**

Magic dust Buc, might as well enjoy the ride.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:47 pm**

RumpleForeskin wrote:Wasn't there another lopsided race in the '70s?

The neighbor's dog jumped your mom's fence just ahead of the milkman

Please say you knew.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:51 pm**

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:Magic dust Buc, might as well enjoy the ride.

That's right man, he used some magic dust.

A little bit more for Santa Claus, a little bit mooore for Santa Claus.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:53 pm**

Cuda wrote:
RumpleForeskin wrote:Wasn't there another lopsided race in the '70s?
The neighbor's dog jumped your mom's fence just ahead of the milkman

Please say you knew.

JFC, you are a retard.

I have to agree with PSU's sig when he identifies you as Ctrl+Cuda

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:31 pm**

mvscal wrote:Pulling pillars is what makes retreat mining so dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing.

I'm guessing they do a lot of retreat mining in France.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:33 pm**

Mikey wrote:
smackaholic wrote:
One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.
That would be West Virginia.

(not exactly "out west")

I know they do both in the east. I thought western mining was of the strip variety. I guess it just depends on how the coal veins lie. If they're near the surface they just blow it the fukk up and bring in one of them KC paul sized shovels.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:25 pm**

Screw_Michigan wrote:
OCmike wrote:Every time BSmack types out another implied "Democrats really care" post, I lose a little more respect for him.
it's called "reading comprehension," douche. check into it sometime.

Clearly, it's not your strongest suit either. I said "implied". Would you prefer "inferred"?

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:25 pm**

mvscal wrote:Shouldn't you be at the hospital with your dying sister? I hope she dies while you're in here dicking around trying to run tard smack. It would serve you right. You are a piece of motherfucking shit.

Go fuck yourself.

EAD you cumguzzling n.gger hater. I hope you chronicle everyday of your life so people like me with all the friends and family in the world will know what its like to live and die alone.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:53 pm**

Bullshit. I don't troll. Wasn't it obvious when I posted a picture of my wife? I never admitted to that being a troll job; although, I probably should have.

If you had one fucking clue what was going on this place, then a lot of us here would have more opportunities to spend time with our loved ones then having to explain every fucking post you respond to. I know its hard, mv, but ending your life now will make everyone's lives so much easier.

T1B

I'll take reverse mining for $100, Alex

I'll take reverse mining for $100, Alex

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