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I think both the "detractors" and BamaFan needs to shut their damn yaps. You're demanding credit before the results on the field are even in.

Doesn't work that way.

The SEC is highly competitive.

Hard to be back without winning anything.

Sam,

The link you provided had him only as a 3-star and 50th rank in his position. While he's a deece player, it's not like you picked up an NFL All-Pro. All those are already at Iowa.

Alabama:
2006: 6-7
2005: 10-2
2004: 6-6
2003: 4-9
2002: 10-3
2001: 7-5
2000: 3-8
1999: 10-3
1998: 7-5
1997: 4-7
1996: 10-3

Seems like every two years, bama gets a 10 win season.

Maybe in '08, not this year Sam.

Ps. Bama fans have always cracked me up.

Saban won't come to Bama. Saban will go wherever the money is
Bama won't be able to hire a name coach. Any respectable D1 school should be able to
Bama's a mediocre program. Have they not been?
Bama's through as a power. Have they not been?
Face facts, Bama fans. The glory days are over. Even bama fans know this is true because they still talk about the bear

Sudden Sam wrote: I did get tired of all the crap from national radio shows and ESPN, though.

Does it not even out when you hear all the crap from local radio shows and your local fish wrap?

Not one snap has been taken, yet all I hear is that Saban is the second coming of the Bear. After this season he will just be another Shula, Dubose, Curry, or Perkins. Why do you think Franchione high tailed it to TA&M so quick?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I think both the "detractors" and BamaFan needs to shut their damn yaps. You're demanding credit before the results on the field are even in.

Doesn't work that way.

He has a point Sam...

Sudden Sam wrote:
Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, LSU on top...that's the way it's supposed to be.

How in the hell does LSU get included on that list?

Nebraska and Penn St for yer historical powers list. LSU, naw.

Sudden Sam wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I think both the "detractors" and BamaFan needs to shut their damn yaps. You're demanding credit before the results on the field are even in.

Doesn't work that way.

He has a point Sam...

I'm not demanding anything. Some UA folks are, I admit. However, I do expect things to be turned around quickly. The hatred expressed for Saban is hilarious. And hopefully motivating.

Alabama fans needed a Saban or a Spurrier to feel right again. The idiots in Tuscaloosa ran off a great coach in Stallings and since then it's been a mess. We were used to such a high level program that these last ten-fifteen years have been unbearable (HA! I made a funny). Oklahoma went thru the same kinda down period. You, of all people, should understand what things were/are like.

LSU? I guess I've always considered them a good program, but, you're right, they've had a ton of mediocre years. Let's substitute Florida State or Miami (both always top 10 until just recently) for LSU. I would love to say Florida or Auburn or Tennessee, but, of those, only Florida has any right to join in.

I just said he had a point Sam...

I think you're wrong about "needing" a Saban though. Who the hell outside of Iowa, Kansas State, and Florida fans knew who the hell Bob Stoops was before 1999? Alabama Football is Alabama football just like OU is OU. You just need a good ball coach who can bring in talent and the rest should fall into place rather rapidly. Not that I don't think Saban wasn't a good hire I just don't think you needed a name to be the Bama of old again.

Sudden Sam wrote:LSU? I guess I've always considered them a good program, but, you're right, they've had a ton of mediocre years. Let's substitute Florida State or Miami (both always top 10 until just recently) for LSU. I would love to say Florida or Auburn or Tennessee, but, of those, only Florida has any right to join in.

If you go back more than 20-25 years, Florida State or Miami wouldn't qualify as always having been good, either.

i'd say you could start making a case with FSU in 80 or 81 (two straight Orange Bowls--though the Noles were outclassed by OU, JC Watts and Billy Sims in 79 season/80 OB (24-3).

next years rematch OU wins in the final minute--FSU was undefeated** and the announcers are talking them up for the MNC until OU goes the length of the field and converts the 2 point for the W. But, especially the 81 FSU team....those were good football teams.

Miami wins with Schnellenbourbon in 83. beating Dr. Tom and an outstanding NU team that went for two.

**edit, looks like i was wrong about that.

FSU, UF, and Miami shouldn't be included in any historical/tradition conversation.

None excelled for any length before 1980......

Terry in Crapchester wrote: If you go back more than 20-25 years, Florida State or Miami wouldn't qualify as always having been good, either.

25 years ago....1982?

1982: 9-3....wins at OSU and over WV in the gator bowl

1981: 6-5....wins at OSU, ND, and LSU......this made Bobby Bowden the "Road Warrior"....The baddest 5 game road skid ever....
Lincoln, NE
Columbus, OH
South Bend, IN
Pittsburgh, PA
Baton Rouge, LA

1980: 10-2....wins at Neb, LSU, and over Pitt in tallahassee. Lost to OU in the Orange Bowl.

1979: 11-1....wins at LSU and gates. Lost to OU in the Orange Bowl.

1978: 8-3

1977: 10-2....won the Tangerine Bowl

1976: 5-6....Bobby Bowdens first year at FSU and the rest is history.

I think FSU has been relevant for 30 years now. Only four seasons since 1977 with less than 8 wins. One 6-win season and three 7-win seasons. And Miami having 5 NCs puts them in any list.

BTW, when was the last time that ND was considered worth a damn by someone outside the media or nd nation?

Mr T wrote: BTW, when was the last time that ND was considered worth a damn by someone outside the media or nd nation?

Good point. I'm not a ND hater but this is a very good point. When was the last time ND won a bowl game? They have been mediocre for a while now. I have to say that I am a believer in the ND Nation going forward, but Chollie still has a lot of work to do if they want to be a "KING" again. If FSU doesn't get something going pretty soon, they will be in the same boat.

TheChief wrote:When was the last time ND won a bowl game?

FSU atleasts hangs with any bowl team they are paired with.

In the last 5 bowls, ND has been beaten by atleast two touchdowns. 9 straight bowl losses since the last time they were relevant.

if you read any of charlie's quotes that are seething with enough arrogance to make you proud he lost his fatness lawsuit, you'd think ND hasn't had their ass kicked in ANY bowl since 1989.

"i'm not in the business of giving out information," regarding his reluctance to announce who's going to start at QB.

fuck you. enjoy getting your ass kicked by LLLLloyd carr anyway. and i fucking HATE saying that.

Bama is gonna have their hands full when the Coogs roll into town on October 6th.

Everyone thinks the Coogs stand no chance against Oregon or Alabama. They lost 4 of their games last year by a combined 15 points and are returning 16 of the 22 starters from last year. They also have pulled in some good transfer talent from Oklahoma St. and are getting their star safety Rocky Scwartz who is returning from injury last year.

Yeah, I know the loss of the star quarterback, runningback, and receiver is really tough to replace, but this team will not get blown out by Bama or Oregon. Too much experience on both sides of the ball.

MrT wrote:I think FSU has been relevant for 30 years now. Only four seasons since 1977 with less than 8 wins. One 6-win season and three 7-win seasons.

20-25 years was a ballpark figure, and intended as such. I wasn't looking at a definite time period.

And Miami having 5 NCs puts them in any list.

Agreed, but the first one didn't come until '83. Prior to that, they wouldn't have belonged.

The Chief wrote:When was the last time ND won a bowl game?

Beat aTm in the Cotton Bowl after the '93 season. Before you laugh at the Cotton Bowl, it was on a completely different plane at the time -- one of the Coalition Bowls.

In '96, we turned down bids to the Independence and Copper Bowls despite an 8-3 record. Had we accepted one of those bowl bids, imho there's a very good chance we would've won.

Army got the Independence Bowl bid we turned down. Auburn beat them, but only by 32-29.

Wisconsin got the Copper Bowl bid we turned down. They beat Utah 38-10.

Screw_Michigan wrote:charlie's quotes . . . are seething with enough arrogance to make you proud he lost his fatness lawsuit

It wasn't a fatness lawsuit. It was a med mal lawsuit after his gastric bypass surgery got botched and he almost died. And he won, IIRC.

Screw_Michigan wrote:if you read any of charlie's quotes that are seething with enough arrogance to make you proud he lost his fatness lawsuit, you'd think ND hasn't had their ass kicked in ANY bowl since 1989.

"i'm not in the business of giving out information," regarding his reluctance to announce who's going to start at QB.

fuck you. enjoy getting your ass kicked by LLLLloyd carr anyway. and i fucking HATE saying that.

Out of all of the quotes you could have picked, how to you select that one as a measure of Weis's arrogance? He has a perfectly valid point. Why would he tip his hand to GaTech on who the starting QB is going to be, and let them game plan for him starting now?

And Terry, he did lose his medical malpractice law suit.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Beat aTm in the Cotton Bowl after the '93 season. Before you laugh at the Cotton Bowl, it was on a completely different plane at the time -- one of the Coalition Bowls.

How long and how far has ND fallen?????

Their fans are DEFENDING the cotton bowl from '93 as a legitimate bowl. Which is fine but its been so long we need to be reminded that the cotton was something special back in the day.

Wow.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

And Miami having 5 NCs puts them in any list.

Agreed, but the first one didn't come until '83. Prior to that, they wouldn't have belonged.

It doesnt surprise me that ND fans and Bama fans dont recognize anything after the 70s....except 1988 and 1992.

Miami has won 5 mncs. I dont care if they didnt win one until 2000. 5 mncs is 5 mncs

Mr T wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

And Miami having 5 NCs puts them in any list.

Agreed, but the first one didn't come until '83. Prior to that, they wouldn't have belonged.

It doesnt surprise me that ND fans and Bama fans dont recognize anything after the 70s....except 1988 and 1992.

Miami has won 5 mncs. I dont care if they didnt win one until 2000. 5 mncs is 5 mncs

So would you put the Florida Marlins on equal footing as the Red Sox or Cubs?

Winning titles shoots you up the list, but it doesn't keep you there. Same reason why we no longer consider the Ivy's or Chicago as football powers.

Sudden Sam wrote:

RumpleForeskin wrote:Bama is gonna have their hands full when the Coogs roll into town on October 6th.

I've been telling people that'll be a tough game. Nobody seems to be buying it.

It is Saban's first year and folks are already getting arrogant, taking legit opponents for granted? Nice. The guy is a hell of a coach but it is too early to make assumptions.

T REX wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Beat aTm in the Cotton Bowl after the '93 season. Before you laugh at the Cotton Bowl, it was on a completely different plane at the time -- one of the Coalition Bowls.

How long and how far has ND fallen?????

Their fans are DEFENDING the cotton bowl from '93 as a legitimate bowl. Which is fine but its been so long we need to be reminded that the cotton was something special back in the day.

Wow.

Of course, it's not like ND hasn't been to any major bowls since then.

Granted, we haven't won any of those more recent bowls, and it's better to win them than not to win them. But every bowl game but one is a glorified consolation game.

There was one bowl game that counted last year. Winning any of the others and $4 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Mr T wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

And Miami having 5 NCs puts them in any list.

Agreed, but the first one didn't come until '83. Prior to that, they wouldn't have belonged.

It doesnt surprise me that ND fans and Bama fans dont recognize anything after the 70s....except 1988 and 1992.

Miami has won 5 mncs. I dont care if they didnt win one until 2000. 5 mncs is 5 mncs

I didn't say they didn't count. I only said that I'm old enough to remember when Miami didn't belong in any discussion of elite programs.

Seems you take pretty much the same approach I do, only that you employ a different timeframe:

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... 5&start=18

Killian wrote: It doesnt surprise me that ND fans and Bama fans dont recognize anything after the 70s....except 1988 and 1992.

Miami has won 5 mncs. I dont care if they didnt win one until 2000. 5 mncs is 5 mncs

So would you put the Florida Marlins on equal footing as the Red Sox or Cubs?

Winning titles shoots you up the list, but it doesn't keep you there. Same reason why we no longer consider the Ivy's or Chicago as football powers.[/quote]
So ND is the cubs and Miami is the marlins?

The only footing Sox and cubs fans had was years of futility until the sox finally laid one on the yankees.

BTW, How the fuck is miami a expansion team in cfb? Marshall, Troy, ect. could be considered expansion teams

Terry in Crapchester wrote: I didn't say they didn't count. I only said that I'm old enough to remember when Miami didn't belong in any discussion of elite programs.

Seems you take pretty much the same approach I do, only that you employ a different timeframe:

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... 5&start=18

My timeframe is if they have been a name in college football for half or over half my life then they are somebody.

ND is on that list
FSU is on that list
Miami is on that list

Going back to this . . .

TheChief wrote:When was the last time ND won a bowl game?

Fwiw, ND has won 19 games over the past two seasons. The list of teams who have managed to accomplish that:

Texas (23)
USC (23)
Boise State (22)
Florida (22)
LSU (22)
Ohio State (22)
TCU (22)
West Virginia (22)
Wisconsin (22)
Louisville (21)
Virginia Tech (21)
Auburn (20)
Penn State (20)
Boston College (19)
Georgia (19)
Notre Dame (19)
Oklahoma (19)

Spin it anyway you want, but that's pretty exclusive territory. In fact, there are some pretty impressive football programs who didn't make that list: Alabama, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska and Tennessee, just off the top of my head. Does it mean that ND is back? No, of course not -- for starters, we have to sustain that level of productivity over a much longer period before we can even begin to make such a claim. But it is a much better barometer of where our program is, right now, than is the fact that, say, we lost the Fiesta Bowl after the '94 season.

Yeah, that could definitely be spun any which way I would decide to take it, but as I previously stated...I believe ND is on the right path.

I just totally agree with T's point about so many people making them out to be "BACK" when in reality they are certainly not there. On the way for sure, but there, absolutely not.