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I read an article...too lazy to link or C&P...but ND won't let Jones out of his schollie? I guess he has to pay his way to NIU...I mean I know he handled it poorly (the transfer) but won't this set back ND in terms of recruiting in the area??? I guess this is between ND AD and NIU...

just curious to get your thoughts???

Stupid move on ND's part. Yes he handled it poorly, but he called and talked to Weis like an adult and both agreed each could have handled the situation better. He has Weis's blessing and for White to die on this hill is stupid. Why piss off the CPL coaches and future recruits?

He has to pay his own way at NIU either way because they don't have a scholarship for him at this time.

Another issue . . . letting him out of his schollie frees up one additional schollie for recruiting. Why wouldn't ND let him out? It's win-win.

As for Jones, I don't blame him in looking to leave under the circumstances, but he definitely could have handled it better.

Just a reminder about athletic scholarships. All of the are one year renewables. So even though ND isn't going to let him out of his scholarship, they will still have it available to use on signing day this Feb.

NIU will have one available for him for next season when one of the current Srs is gone.

Letting him out or not doesn't mean squat for ND on the scholarship front. It may hurt them in the reputation department as mentioned above.

Not sure what the rules for CFB are but in CBB when a school doesn't release a transfer from their scholly that player has to sit out an additional year at their new school. That is why, at least in CBB, not releasing a kid is a big deal.

Shine wrote:Not sure what the rules for CFB are but in CBB when a school doesn't release a transfer from their scholly that player has to sit out an additional year at their new school. That is why, at least in CBB, not releasing a kid is a big deal.

In CFB it just means that the kid has to pay his own way. As long as he was enrolled at NIU before the start of classes, he was fine.

Didnt Jones have to go at the time he did? From what I understand he had to enroll at NIU in the first 12 days of the semester so he can play next season, dont think he could have spent another week at ND trying to do things the right way unless he wanted to give up on football for 2 years

ja, he had to be enrolled by the twelfth day, which he did at the eleventh hour. i'm sure panicking at the deadline had to do with his bush departure. aside from that, he sounded very mature and contrite in an article i read in the sun-times. he took full responsibility for what he did, acknowledged his immaturity, then said he'd lie in the bed he made for himself.

looks like nd's going to let jones out of his scholarship, as long as it's a school they don't play. what a bunch of bitches, especially since they're spinning it in a way to make them look as if they're assisting him in finding the best possible situation. for him, of course.

doublespeak:

"We have initiated our normal protocol by identifying a list of institutions to which he has an interest in transferring," White said. "While Demetrius did not consult us on his decision, the university and he are now working together in our customary fashion. Our hope is that this process assists him in finding an institution that will enable him to meet his goals both as a student and as an athlete."

man, it's not like the fucker's bolting for usc. no.illinois? i know they'd probably beat nd too, but now they're niggling with mac teams? and joining the big ten was beneath them.. seriously, how fooken stoopid. "he" has an interest in transferring to? uhh... he already enrolled at a different school. i'm sure that's a positive indication of his "interest." hookers.

M Club wrote:looks like nd's going to let jones out of his scholarship, as long as it's a school they don't play. what a bunch of bitches, especially since they're spinning it in a way to make them look as if they're assisting him in finding the best possible situation. for him, of course.

doublespeak:

"We have initiated our normal protocol by identifying a list of institutions to which he has an interest in transferring," White said. "While Demetrius did not consult us on his decision, the university and he are now working together in our customary fashion. Our hope is that this process assists him in finding an institution that will enable him to meet his goals both as a student and as an athlete."

man, it's not like the fucker's bolting for usc. no.illinois? i know they'd probably beat nd too, but now they're niggling with mac teams? and joining the big ten was beneath them.. seriously, how fooken stoopid. "he" has an interest in transferring to? uhh... he already enrolled at a different school. i'm sure that's a positive indication of his "interest." hookers.

I'll agree that both Jones and ND could have handled the situation better than they did. That having been said, this "story" has gotten far more press coverage than it deserves. Danimal was right on the money with that one.

I know that ND doesn't allow any varsity athlete to transfer to another school that is on ND's schedule at anytime during that athlete's remaining period of eligibility. I don't know about other schools' transfer policies, but I'd hesitate to call that unique.

As for joining the Big Ten being "beneath" ND, it's worth pointing out that at least one prominent part of the ND community -- its faculty -- strongly supported joining the Big Ten in '99. The reason ND passed was because the students and alumni were overwhelmingly -- as in > 99% -- opposed to it. It was based on two reasons -- ND's fanbase considers its independence a vital part of its football tradition, and there was a little bit of payback involved for the way the Big Ten previously had treated ND. But I wouldn't say that the people who supported remaining independent considered the Big Ten "beneath" ND -- if that were the case, we probably wouldn't be scheduling any Big Ten schools.

Jsc810 wrote:Methinks it will be just a matter of time before ND is in a conference.

Why do you say that, Chip? Imho, if ND does decide to join a conference, it will be the Big East, rather than the Big Ten.

Gosh, what does the faculty know that the students don't?

It certainly wasn't motivated by concern for the football program. Cornhusker's post about buying tickets from a ND faculty member for the '00 Nebraska game out front told you so.

In that case, the faculty wanted a slice of the CIC money. Nothing more, nothing less.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I know that ND doesn't allow any varsity athlete to transfer to another school that is on ND's schedule at anytime during that athlete's remaining period of eligibility. I don't know about other schools' transfer policies, but I'd hesitate to call that unique.

considering northern ill is nowhere to be found on any future nd schedule, i'd just call them a bunch of hookers.

I understand that Konrad Reuland is looking to transfer out of Notre Dame, based on the Irish's policy of not dismissing players from their scholarship if the player wants to go to a school on a future schedule, Reuland may be blocked from going to USC.
Is there somewhere within the NCAA he can petition that ruling the way that Jamere Holland is trying to so he can go to Oregon?

If they do not grant him his release, he has to pay his own way for the next year.

M Club wrote:looks like nd's going to let jones out of his scholarship, as long as it's a school they don't play. what a bunch of bitches, especially since they're spinning it in a way to make them look as if they're assisting him in finding the best possible situation. for him, of course.

doublespeak:

"We have initiated our normal protocol by identifying a list of institutions to which he has an interest in transferring," White said. "While Demetrius did not consult us on his decision, the university and he are now working together in our customary fashion. Our hope is that this process assists him in finding an institution that will enable him to meet his goals both as a student and as an athlete."

man, it's not like the fucker's bolting for usc. no.illinois? i know they'd probably beat nd too, but now they're niggling with mac teams? and joining the big ten was beneath them.. seriously, how fooken stoopid. "he" has an interest in transferring to? uhh... he already enrolled at a different school. i'm sure that's a positive indication of his "interest." hookers.

Then again, there is this. And unlike Northern Illinois, Cincinnati will be on our schedule within the foreseeable future, although admittedly not before Jones' eligibility expires.

Meds nailed it earlier when he said (paraphrasing) that there are three sides to every story, and the two that you hear are bullshit. None of us knows what was said behind closed doors. And given the way this story has unfolded, it certainly isn't unreasonable to conclude that Jones was nowhere near as certain about his future intentions as certain elements of the media would have had you believe. Perhaps the names of a few schools who are on the ND schedule in the near future were floated during closed-door discussions.

In any event, I hope this is the last of this story. I wish Jones well at Cincinnati.