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Big XII vs Pac 10
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:05 pm
by RumpleForeskin
Tier I
USC vs OU
USC is the best team in the nation, but OU has not given any indication that they cannot hang with USC as an offense or defense. Both teams are great and I gotta say if they were both to meet in the national title game, I don't think we would get a repeat of the Orange Bowl in '05. However, USC is still the best team in the country so the edge goes to them.
USC
Tier II
Cal vs Texas
Okay, Texas has looked shaky and Cal is making look so easy with their speed and athleticism. Cal is probably the clear cut better team here although the rankings would say otherwise as they are 6 and 7. Until Texas can play better, I gotta give it to Cal on this by at least a touchdown.
Cal
Oregon vs Nebraska
Nebraska has looked awful the last 2 weeks and you could argue without the services of Skinner in the Wake Forest game and the dropped pass by the Ball St. receiver, the Huskers could easily be 1-3 this season. Oregon, on the other hand, has looked solid all year long. That offense is one of the best in the nation. Oregon takes this matchup by 2 scores.
Oregon
Tier III
UCLA vs Missouri
Missouri's offense would give UCLA fits if you took any notes from the Utah game. Their offense consists of many different looks and I think UCLA would have a tough time stopping them. However, you could say the same about the Tigers. Their defense is what keeps them from winning 9 and 10 games. In saying that, I think Mizzou is the better team this year. By a field goal.
Mizzou
Arizona St. vs Texas A&M
High powered offense against a pretty good defense. You know, I would have given A&M the edge on this if Coach Fran remembered how to coach like the days at Bama and TCU. Dude was creative with his playcalling. What happened? The good side to that is the Aggies could most certainly run at will against the Sun Devils D and control the game which would in turn leave the Sun Devils airial assualt less opportunities to light up the scoreboard. Too close to call
Push
Tier IIII
Washington vs Texas Tech
Locker would love to face a Tech defense who can't stop the run, but Tech's passing game would probably be too much for the Huskies. Tech in a blowout
Texas Tech
Oregon St. vs Oklahoma St.
Coaching again keeps this game closer than it should. If Gundy knew how to call a game, then Ok State would runnaway with this one. I still think they are too deep for the Beaves though. Reid or Robinson would lead them to victory.
Oklahoma State
Washington St. vs Kansas
Kansas has a good defense and that offense is good enough to make things happen. The Cougars can put points on the board and have a good enough defense to shutdown one aspect of the game, however, they can be easily exposed if their opponent makes an adjustment (See PJ Hill and John David Booty). The Cougars take it because of the tougher schedule.
Washington St.
Arizona vs Kansas St.
Kansas St. is just too strong for the Wildcats. They are too strong on defense and offense for Arizona to stand a chance.
Kansas St.
Colorado vs Stanford
Push
Pac 10 is obviously the clear cut favorite when it comes to both conferences big three programs, but after that, the Big XII is favored. Considering how top heavy the Pac 10 is this year, I gotta say they are the better conference leaving the Big 12 3rd or 4th amongst all the MCs (Big Ten).
What happened to the mid to late '90s?
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:32 pm
by Adelpiero
Mizzou>>Nebraska
And Mizzou would assfuck UCLA
they have one of best offense in the country. they can score with anyone. And they can make a couple stops a game on defense, not a personell problem, a bad scheme.
If anything, they would face Oregon, and it would come down to who has the ball last. 63-60 final!
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:50 pm
by War Wagon
Tier III
Bullshit proposition right there.
Nice to see how you're able to discern "tiers" within a conference before the conference season even begins in earnest, and somehow place Nebraska in a "tier" higher than Mizzou, even though the Tigers are ranked higher.
Nice logic you've got going on there.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:53 pm
by The Seer
Adelpiero wrote:
And Mizzou would assfuck UCLA
Well, if you said it, it must be true.
Why play the games? You just decide.
Putz.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:12 pm
by JayDuck
A&M isn't a push with Arizona State after their last 2 games.
They just got beat by a Miami Team that was oblitorated by OU.
The week before they needed triple OT to beat Fresno State
A fresno State team that went to Oregon the next week and found themselves down 42-6 in the first half.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:21 pm
by RumpleForeskin
War Wagon wrote:
Tier III
Bullshit proposition right there.
Nice to see how you're able to discern "tiers" within a conference before the conference season even begins in earnest, and somehow place Nebraska in a "tier" higher than Mizzou, even though the Tigers are ranked higher.
Nice logic you've got going on there.
Most of it is based on this year, but it seems Nebraska or K St. always finds a way to win the division don't they? Again, tell me how many division titles have the Migthy Mizzou won since the inception of the Big XII? 0. You're right, before conference play its tough to put teams in their proper tiers, but I thought I would throw it out there for shits and giggles. Mizzou still has to prove to me that they aren't a mirage of quality before entering conference play. They have a tough test ahead of them as K St. and Kansas are hardly pushovers this year. Don't forget that CU is on the rise and Hawkins is good for one upset among the likes of the Tigers, Huskers, or Wildcats.
Nebraska stays ahead of Missouri for now. When I see Missouri put together a winning streak in conference play and are able to hold ground, then I will change my mind. Until then, Mizzou is #4 in the conference.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:32 pm
by RumpleForeskin
JayDuck wrote:A&M isn't a push with Arizona State after their last 2 games.
They just got beat by a Miami Team that was oblitorated by OU.
The week before they needed triple OT to beat Fresno State
A fresno State team that went to Oregon the next week and found themselves down 42-6 in the first half.
I don't exactly buy that logic of how one team beats another team like OU over Miami and Miami over A&M. Sometimes the way a defense or offense is structured presents matchup problems and gameplanning can have a lot to do with that too. Also, emotion plays into it as well. I'm sure that piece that was done on on Randy Shannon during last week about his sister and brothers dying inspired his players and they were ready. These kids feed off of that kind of stuff and sometimes during primetime games in front of their home crowd, they will over achieve for that night. The opposite can be said for that visiting team. A&M was not prepared and they paid for it dearly.
But for arguments sake, lets say I drop A&M and insert Texas Tech to play ASU. That would be one hell of a game between those two programs.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:34 pm
by War Wagon
The Seer wrote:
Why play the games? You just decide.
Ironically or not, before the season even started I saw projections that had Mizzou - UCLA squaring off... in the Holiday Bowl, I believe it was. The Tigers just might have their sights set a bit higher now, but we shall see what we shall see.
I believe it best to declare bode
after the game, but there's nothing wrong with a little or a lot of smack talk beforehand. That's what we do here, right?
Mizzou would dryfuck UCLA and I mean
twice if the game were played on a Sunday, which of course it wouldn't be.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:04 am
by Dinsdale
Yeah, with that impressive array of powerhouses that Mizzou is rolling over, I don't see how they're not in the top 5.
Must be their fine gameday coach that's getting them the love.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:22 am
by War Wagon
Dinsdale wrote:Yeah, with that impressive array of powerhouses that Mizzou is rolling over....
Illinois at a neutral site and Mississippi at Oxford? Are you even payin' attention, Dins?
Must be their fine gameday coach that's getting them the love.
It's getting better....
knocks on wood
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:30 am
by Jimmy Medalions
War Wagon wrote:Illinois at a neutral site and Mississippi at Oxford? Are you even payin' attention, Dins?
The more you post the more it feels like m2ool is back. Do us all a favor and take a few thousand laps around the warehouse in that forklift of yours. Hopefully you'll get lost or it breaks down.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:44 am
by War Wagon
I love when a dumbfuck such as Jimmah Meds says "do us all a favor".
Do me a favor and bring a take of substance, or go fuck yourself.
Comprende?
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:40 am
by The Seer
War Wagon wrote:
I believe it best to declare bode after the game, but there's nothing wrong with a little or a lot of smack talk beforehand. That's what we do here, right?
That IS what we do here.
And basing a SOS argument with those perrenial powerhouses Illinois and Mississippi is kind of funnay.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:51 am
by RumpleForeskin
Wags, I like you but you are reaching with the Illinois and Ole Miss programs as "big time"
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:51 am
by War Wagon
The Seer wrote:War Wagon wrote:
I believe it best to declare bode after the game, but there's nothing wrong with a little or a lot of smack talk beforehand. That's what we do here, right?
That IS what we do here.
And basing a SOS argument with those perrenial powerhouses Illinois and Mississippi is kind of funnay.
No SOS argument here. Just sayin' those wins now look better than they did at first glance.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Oh, you want to talk about "perennial" powerhouses instead? Go figure. I guess that's your perogative.
Enjoy your same old circle jerk.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:48 am
by Danimal
Right now I'd say the Pac is better.
It looks like the Boise loss was a positive for OU. They look like a team on a mission. Bradford is the real-deal. They have a very nice balance-being able to run, throw, and play D. We'll see what happens in the RRS, Texas hasn't played like Texas thus-far but they still have Texas-talent and it is a rivalry-game.
I think Texas has lost one too many DC's to HC-jobs. Mack and his OC-Davis needs to show Texas is still a MNC-contender without Superman at qb. They are still one of the better programs in the country of course but can they get back to where they were a couple years ago?
My 'skers aren't progressing. This staff recruits well but coaching is meh. BC is a great gameplanner but struggles on gameday. I said all-along Coz was a crony-hire, wish I wasn't so obviously right. Our D-staff is very mediocre, which has led to the special-team they coach being mediocre as-well. Unless we improve significantly I'm expecting a purge of our D-staff after the season. I think BC can keep us around the top25 but it is highly questionable whether he can make us a power.
ATM isn't progressing either, WHEN THE FUCK DID FRANCHIONE FORGET HOW TO COACH? This DC isn't working-out either and the O is one-dimensional. They'll finish with a winning record but this if year-5 for Fran, they were supposed to be a power by now not just over .500. Still think Bo could be there next season.
Mizzou? For real? Hard to say. Their D is still meh and they still have Pinkel to shoot them in the foot. But the offense is nasty and they did beat a couple bcs-teams in noncon-action. I'll give them the early lead to be the sacrificial lamb to OU in the CCG since they get both Neb and Kan in Columbia. I'm not liking our chances in two weeks. If Mizzou can stay in the top25 and make a respectable bowl it will be a big step in the right direction for this program
Taco Tech-Leach did the same damn thing BC did. Hired an old crony to be his DC. They have a decent D every few years when everything falls together but usually they are unimpressive. With a good D Tech becomes a top25 regular since the O always rocks. Phil Bennett will be looking for a job. How about Marvin Sanders? He brought NC's D up over 50-spots, he just made the mistake of not jumping elsewhere when he had the chance. Maybe some young position-coach in the NFL would like a shot.
Oklahoma State-They just don't play well noncon, tending to come-on midseason. They have a talented offense but the D has been a joke the last two weeks. Are they struggling with the new DC's schemes? They will be a wildcard in conference play, capable of winning or losing on any given day. Likely finishing 7-5 or so.
CU-would have played ASU and FSU tight if guys just caught the ball. Went off on a meh Miami of Ohio last weekend. The Hawkins-era has gotten off to a slower start than I thought but they are hurt by his predecessor's last couple bad classes. They are also hurt by JUCO-rb stud Gates flunking-out. They should improve over the season and could pull upsets.
Kansas-Mangino is an underrated coach. His teams play solid-D. If Reesing is for real at qb they could make waves in conference. I think Mangino is a couple difference-makers away from significant success that could help Kansas get over that .500 team/basketball-school stigma and start consistently getting good (not great but good) recruits into Lawrence. Thus far KU hasn't played anyone really worth noting but they have at-least been dominant in those games.
Hard to say where KSU is headed. Prince seems flakey and has already driven a couple coaches away. But his teams have played respectable ball thu far. I'd say they'll finish 7-5, maybe 8-4 with some luck.
Baylor and ISU-I'm not sure what the future holds for these teams. Morriss seems like a solid coach at Baylor but the south is a hard place to climb up in. Hard to say what Chizik will do at ISU, ya they haven't looked that good outside the Iowa game but even Butch Davis and Tom O'Brien are struggling in their first seasons.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:49 am
by Danimal
Fixed it.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:30 pm
by Jimmy Medalions
l to r: wags' office, wags' desk
Pimping a win over Illinois is like claiming bode that you nailed a fat chick. Get back to us when your team actually accomplishes something.
TIA.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:43 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
This is entertaining...
all we need now is some SEC interjection here calling both your conferences overrated.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:14 pm
by Dinsdale
Jimmy Medalions wrote:Pimping a win over Illinois is like claiming bode that you nailed a fat chick.
Outstanding analogy.
Sometimes slumpbusting is prudent.
Sometimes, a "win is a win."
Sometimes, you have to fill "gaps in your schedule."
These things happen, and should be considered "normal."
But you don't go around
bragging about it afterwards.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:20 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
you mean and the fact that MIZZOU needed an interception at the goal line with like 1 minute left as ILL was driving for the winning score...yep brag about that...
and Ole Miss are you kidding me...geez...even memphis played them tough...
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:46 pm
by Atomic Punk
JayDuck wrote:A&M isn't a push with Arizona State after their last 2 games.
They just got beat by a Miami Team that was oblitorated by OU.
The week before they needed triple OT to beat Fresno State
A fresno State team that went to Oregon the next week and found themselves down 42-6 in the first half.
Texas A&M "beating" Fresno State at home in a 3 OT trainwreck is embarrassing for the Aggies. Fresno has 44 Freshmen and Sophomores on the squad and they are not very competitive. So A&M is going to have a tough year after seeing what they've accomplished so far.
Oregon is not getting the love like Cal yet. USC, Cal, and Oregon are pretty damn good teams this year and those pollsters from out East better recognize. Oregon is a very FAST team and they are going to give Cal match up problems. (Jeff Tedford isn't mentioned in the Top 5 coaches in another thread. Cal and Stanford have high academic standards so it's hard to get Texas type dumbasses into their schools).
This year I would give the PAC 10 teams the nod over the Big 12. Then again, the season is still new and I'm not sure how Oregon and Cal are going to stand up. I'm all for not having rankings until at least 5 weeks into the season. Playing shitty teams before conference doesn't tell a whole lot.... unless you're Michigan.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:39 pm
by The Seer
Danimal wrote:Right now I'd say the Pac is better.
It looks like the Boise loss was a positive for OU. They look like a team on a mission. Bradford is the real-deal. They have a very nice balance-being able to run, throw, and play D. We'll see what happens in the RRS, Texas hasn't played like Texas thus-far but they still have Texas-talent and it is a rivalry-game.
I think Texas has lost one too many DC's to HC-jobs. Mack and his OC-Davis needs to show Texas is still a MNC-contender without Superman at qb. They are still one of the better programs in the country of course but can they get back to where they were a couple years ago?
My 'skers aren't progressing. This staff recruits well but coaching is meh. BC is a great gameplanner but struggles on gameday. I said all-along Coz was a crony-hire, wish I wasn't so obviously right. Our D-staff is very mediocre, which has led to the special-team they coach being mediocre as-well. Unless we improve significantly I'm expecting a purge of our D-staff after the season. I think BC can keep us around the top25 but it is highly questionable whether he can make us a power.
ATM isn't progressing either, WHEN THE FUCK DID FRANCHIONE FORGET HOW TO COACH? This DC isn't working-out either and the O is one-dimensional. They'll finish with a winning record but this if year-5 for Fran, they were supposed to be a power by now not just over .500. Still think Bo could be there next season.
Mizzou? For real? Hard to say. Their D is still meh and they still have Pinkel to shoot them in the foot. But the offense is nasty and they did beat a couple bcs-teams in noncon-action. I'll give them the early lead to be the sacrificial lamb to OU in the CCG since they get both Neb and Kan in Columbia. I'm not liking our chances in two weeks. If Mizzou can stay in the top25 and make a respectable bowl it will be a big step in the right direction for this program
Taco Tech-Leach did the same damn thing BC did. Hired an old crony to be his DC. They have a decent D every few years when everything falls together but usually they are unimpressive. With a good D Tech becomes a top25 regular since the O always rocks. Phil Bennett will be looking for a job. How about Marvin Sanders? He brought NC's D up over 50-spots, he just made the mistake of not jumping elsewhere when he had the chance. Maybe some young position-coach in the NFL would like a shot.
Oklahoma State-They just don't play well noncon, tending to come-on midseason. They have a talented offense but the D has been a joke the last two weeks. Are they struggling with the new DC's schemes? They will be a wildcard in conference play, capable of winning or losing on any given day. Likely finishing 7-5 or so.
CU-would have played ASU and FSU tight if guys just caught the ball. Went off on a meh Miami of Ohio last weekend. The Hawkins-era has gotten off to a slower start than I thought but they are hurt by his predecessor's last couple bad classes. They are also hurt by JUCO-rb stud Gates flunking-out. They should improve over the season and could pull upsets.
Kansas-Mangino is an underrated coach. His teams play solid-D. If Reesing is for real at qb they could make waves in conference. I think Mangino is a couple difference-makers away from significant success that could help Kansas get over that .500 team/basketball-school stigma and start consistently getting good (not great but good) recruits into Lawrence. Thus far KU hasn't played anyone really worth noting but they have at-least been dominant in those games.
Hard to say where KSU is headed. Prince seems flakey and has already driven a couple coaches away. But his teams have played respectable ball thu far. I'd say they'll finish 7-5, maybe 8-4 with some luck.
Baylor and ISU-I'm not sure what the future holds for these teams. Morriss seems like a solid coach at Baylor but the south is a hard place to climb up in. Hard to say what Chizik will do at ISU, ya they haven't looked that good outside the Iowa game but even Butch Davis and Tom O'Brien are struggling in their first seasons.
A double post. A long double post. And not accompanying picture. Man up.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:35 pm
by quacker backer
The Seer wrote:
A double post. A long double post. And not accompanying picture. Man up.
AMEN!!!
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:58 pm
by War Wagon
Dinsdale wrote:Jimmy Medalions wrote:Pimping a win over Illinois is like claiming bode that you nailed a fat chick.
Outstanding analogy.
Sometimes slumpbusting is prudent.
Sometimes, a "win is a win."
Sometimes, you have to fill "gaps in your schedule."
These things happen, and should be considered "normal."
But you don't go around
bragging about it afterwards.
Wasn't bragging, just saying that it wasn't exactly a non-con schedule filled with cupcakes, unlike a fair number of teams I could list. And the fact remains that Mizzou took care of business, unlike another fair number of teams that I could list.
You guys (and I loosely call Meds a "guy") can downgrade this team all you want, that's no sweat off my sack. But I'm not sure what they'd have to do to earn some respect. Beat OU in Norman? That's prolly not going to happen, but a fan can still dream.
Just as a point of interest, Mizzou has now gone 4-0 in their non-con schedule for the 2nd straight year. That's the first time that's
ever happened, and damn right Tigerfan is feeling frisky. We've suffered
forever around these parts, or at least as long as I've been paying attention. I'll be danged if I'll let a couple of wet blankets ruin my buzz.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:25 pm
by The Seer
War Wagon wrote:
We've suffered forever around these parts, or at least as long as I've been paying attention. I'll be danged if I'll let a couple of wet blankets ruin my buzz.
Buzzes are so fleeting; enjoy it whilst it lasts.....
samatter of fact, with that weak-ass schedule, after your Norman visit, you should finish out
with just 1 loss....
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:31 pm
by RevLimiter
Jimmy Medalions wrote:
l to r: wags' office, wags' desk
BULLSHIT- Wags would NEVER be caught dead on anything other than a Clark or Hyster fork truck. At least I HOPE that's the case.
Pimping a win over Illinois is like claiming bode that you nailed a fat chick. Get back to us when your team actually accomplishes something.
TIA.
Mizzou vs. Illinois is ALWAYS a highly competitive game every year- most yearly "border skirmishes" usually are. Tell me you're not RETARDED enough to figure that out, slick.
Oh, and going into ANY SEC team's house and punching them in the mouth never sucks. After all, they ARE the "superior conference"....right?
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:40 am
by Jimmy Medalions
War Wagon wrote:Just as a point of interest...Mizzou...
I laffed.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:01 am
by War Wagon
Of course. You laugh at pretty, shiny beads.
Any other groundbreaking revelations you'd like to share?
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:06 am
by RadioFan
If somebody could wytch a mizzou symbol on the crate here, we could have a new emoticon ...
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:43 am
by RevLimiter
War Wagon wrote:Of course. You laugh at pretty, shiny beads.
Any other groundbreaking revelations you'd like to share?
Little Jimmah also likes to stay preoccupied with this:
CLEARLY he amuses easily....that is, until he does his thing in his Huggies.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:58 am
by Jimmy Medalions
Tards of a feather flock together. Brilliant.
Who needs m2ool when you can get two for the price of one.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:09 am
by Jimmy Medalions
War Wagon wrote: