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Poated in NFL forum, but my thoughts ring true here too. What are yours? Shoot holes in this all you want or give your thoughts.

I, too, am getting pissed about this. I'm all for "icing" the kicker. This is a new low though.

There's talk of players on field are only ones who can call TO on FG. Course, the same thing will happen there. Soon as the center drops his head to look back, TO is called.

I think a TO in a FG can be called by anyone on the field or the coach. However, once the play clock is below 8, the defense can ONLY call TO if a player goes in motion. This allows the defense plenty of time to "ice" the kicker as well as plenty of time for the offense to not have to kick, set up and rekick.

Imagine the instance where a kick is made, fields are rushed and then had to be cleared because some dumbfuck coach wants to play a little mind game.

So, there is one more caveat to this. The clock winding down kick. Simple. When under 30 seconds and the clock ticking, defense can't call TO once the line is set and center touches the ball unless a player goes in motion.

Thank goodness someone pointed this out.

Was that sarcasm?

I've been out of town for 3 of the last 4 weeks and have not been on much so if this was covered already, my bad.

Had surgery on my knee yesterday too so I really didn't read the whole board to see if I was glass dicking the topic.

IndyFrisco wrote: Imagine the instance where a kick is made, fields are rushed and then had to be cleared because some dumbfuck coach wants to play a little mind game.

I have no idea what you talking about

Sin,
About every game that came down to a kick this year

T,

I've seen the field rushed by coaches and players, but not fans. I was thinking more along the lines of fans loading up the field and how long that would take to reset.

Like I said, been out a LOT the last few weeks so I have not seen a lot of it firsthand. Only what I've read.

In any fucking case, if there's a thread I can merge this one to where this has already been discussed, show it to me and I will. I just didn't see anything off hand on page one so I started a thread.

Maybe Blind and Lefty can weigh in on this. Would like their 2 cents.

Damn near impossible to limit TO calls based on the status of the play clock.

How as the official standing right next to the Head Coach looking down the line of scrimmage, do I determine when the play clock falls below 8 seconds? If I take my eyes off of the LOS to look at the clock, the snap might have happened and I would miss any possible dead ball fouls at the snap.

Let's also remember who makes the rules in college football, the coaches. They love the fact that they can call TO, and I don't see them taking that away from themselves.

What I think you will see happen before the TO rules are changed is how the snapper and holder communicate. Most teams right now have the snapper look back thru his legs for a signal from the holder when all is ready. The snapper then raises his head and snaps the ball when he wants. Coaches know this and are calling TOs once the snappers head comes up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams go to a "sound" snap signal.

Had surgery on my knee yesterday too so I really didn't read the whole board to see if I was glass dicking the topic.

Here's hoping all is well and to a speedy recovery.

IndyFrisco wrote:T,
I've seen the field rushed by coaches and players, but not fans. I was thinking more along the lines of fans loading up the field and how long that would take to reset.

Oh well the refs wait around until the students all leave the field, then they let them rush it again, then they wait until the students leave the field, and finally they give the game to the home team because hell they are already out on the field.

Sin,
FSU vs. Clemson this year

Left Seater wrote:Damn near impossible to limit TO calls based on the status of the play clock.

How as the official standing right next to the Head Coach looking down the line of scrimmage, do I determine when the play clock falls below 8 seconds? If I take my eyes off of the LOS to look at the clock, the snap might have happened and I would miss any possible dead ball fouls at the snap.

Let's also remember who makes the rules in college football, the coaches. They love the fact that they can call TO, and I don't see them taking that away from themselves.

What I think you will see happen before the TO rules are changed is how the snapper and holder communicate. Most teams right now have the snapper look back thru his legs for a signal from the holder when all is ready. The snapper then raises his head and snaps the ball when he wants. Coaches know this and are calling TOs once the snappers head comes up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams go to a "sound" snap signal.

I think that it shoudl be 5 seconds.

I understand your point about the linesjudges not being able to look at the play clock that close to the snap, but the Field Judge is going to be looking at hte play clock that close anyway. Its no different than some one trying to call a timeout before the play clock hits zero. Same mechanic. The the fieldjudge and sidejudges don't need to watch the snap, so they can help.

Just my 2 cents.

Since the kicker knows it's going to happen I think it would be funny if he walked over to the ref and called the time out and then looked at the opposing coach and said, "there asshole, I did it for ya." Or if the kicker just sits on the field and waits for the other coach to call it. It's called gamesmanship and nothing will stop it.
The coaches will vote it down when someone tries it and the kid misses the kick, then comes back to make it after the timeout.

It's your timeout. You should be able to call it whenever the hell you want.

Much ado about nothing. It has become so common-place now that kickers are expecting it anyway. Kickers are already babied as it is. You can't mess with them physically, so why shouldn't you be able to mess with them mentally?

Besides, this kind of shit weeds the bad kickers out. The good ones will make it twice.

I will say though, as a spectator, it's pretty annoying.

Damn right. If a coach keeps his timeouts, then he/she should be able to use them under the rules. What if a kicker MISSES the field goal and gets a 2nd chance?

So it's all about nothing as the "smack master" said.

IndyFrisco wrote:Was that sarcasm?

I've been out of town for 3 of the last 4 weeks and have not been on much so if this was covered already, my bad.

Had surgery on my knee yesterday too so I really didn't read the whole board to see if I was glass dicking the topic.

No sarcasm, me and a buddy were talking about it, we think it is bullshit. It was just nice to see someone else notice the same thing.

I have nothing against a coach using his timeouts whenever he sees fit. It’s just that a player on the field should have to call it. I have the same gripe with basketball. A coach should have to communicate to a player on the floor that he wants a timeout called.

88 wrote:Are we going to take time outs away from basketball coaches between critical free throws?

Yeah, but once the ref tosses the ball to the foul shooter, no timeouts can be called. What is happening in football is equivalent to calling a TO just before the shooter releases the ball.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Much ado about nothing.

You're out of your mind.

Only in the most extreme circumstance should you have a situation where ALL the players on the field execute a game-deciding play and then have the officials come in and tell them that it didn't count.

But now we're seeing it become common place.

It's mickey mouse, and it makes a mockery of the game.

Only the players on the field should be allowed to call a timeout.
If that's the case, an official near the players blows the whistle and everyone (save for maybe a stray player or two) stops.

Right now you've got an official over on the sideline (by the coach) blowing a whistle, and the players don't hear it.

Again, you can't have a kicker, and all the other players, execute a game-winning 53 yd FG, and then come in after it's over and tell them, oops, sorry, it didn't count.

Imagine a pitcher blowing a 3rd strike past a batter to END a LCS.
But ..... no.
The manager called timeout.
The 3rd base umpire .... down the left field line was waving it off.
None of the players knew it though, and especially the pitcher and batter.

Oh well, if the pitcher is worth a shit he'll simply nut up and get a 3rd strike past the hitter again.

It's a total fucking absurdity, man.


You pass a difficult test for promotion at work.
Your boss then rips the paper up in front of your face and tells you that it didn't really count.
You'll simply have to do it again.

Much ado about nothing.

poptart wrote:You're out of your mind.

Am I? Where are all the angry kickers coming out in protest of this? I haven't heard from any.

Only in the most extreme circumstance should you have a situation where ALL the players on the field execute a game-deciding play and then have the officials come in and tell them that it didn't count.

And if the time-out was called before the execution began, then your point is moot.

It's mickey mouse, and it makes a mockery of the game.

Perhaps, but it's legal, and since this "strategy" is becoming more widespread, players need to learn how to adapt. This isn't pop warner ball, they can handle it. Like I said before, this kind of stuff merely weeds out the bad players. The good ones won't give a shite.

Only the players on the field should be allowed to call a timeout.

I don't disagree with this, but that's an entirely different discussion.

Again, you can't have a kicker, and all the other players, execute a game-winning 53 yd FG, and then come in after it's over and tell them, oops, sorry, it didn't count.

Imagine a pitcher blowing a 3rd strike past a batter to END a LCS.
But ..... no.
The manager called timeout.
The 3rd base umpire .... down the left field line was waving it off.
None of the players knew it though, and especially the pitcher and batter.

Oh well, if the pitcher is worth a shit he'll simply nut up and get a 3rd strike past the hitter again.

It's a total fucking absurdity, man.


You pass a difficult test for promotion at work.
Your boss then rips the paper up in front of your face and tells you that it didn't really count.
You'll simply have to do it again.

Much ado about nothing.

Pure, 100% dramatics.

Mgo wrote:Where are all the angry kickers coming out in protest of this?

This rinky dink rule nonsense doesn't only impact on kickers.

At the NFL level, W. Phillips and J. Mara (competition committee member) have spoken out about a need to change the current rule.
I'm sure that many others high profile NFLers have voiced dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs.
I heard that M. Ditka mocked it, but I didn't see his segment myself.

Hey, as long as they continue to play by this rule, we haven't seen anything yet.
The absurdity level will rise like Luther's 'tard meter.

It only gets more farcical from here.

But then again, what do you care?

NCAA 'intercollegiate' *wink* *wink* athletics is just one big farce in and of itself.


On second thought, keep the rule, NCAA, you wear it well.

You sure you wanna go there, pop? This isn't the NFL forum, where the cream of the intellectual crop consists of residents from the greater KC area.

Go where?

If you financially support NCAA Football in any way you are a john.

No doubt about it.

It's a disgusting cesspool of deceit and corruption.

What you see on Saturday afternoons shouldn't be passed off as intercollegiate athletics.

It's sick.