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A Little closer to Full Scale War in Iraq

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:04 am
by KC Scott
The Turks are getting closer to turning this into a real war.
What's not clear is what, if any, our response will be.

A good guess would be increased Iranian activity, if not an out and out declaration of war.
Which we would of course welcome as the final "reason" needed to go after Tehran.
What would the Russians do?
Putin is already on record as endorsing the Iranian Nuke project for "peaceful" purposes.
Turkey approves Iraq incursion plan, allies anxious By Hidir Goktas and Gareth Jones
Wed Oct 17, 4:14 PM ET

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's parliament resoundingly approved a motion on Wednesday allowing troops to cross into northern Iraq to hunt down Kurdish rebels there, but its Western allies and Baghdad urged Ankara to refrain from military action.

As parliament voted in Ankara by 507 votes to 19 in favor of the motion, U.S. President George W. Bush said it would not be in NATO member Turkey's interests to send troops into Iraq and the Pentagon said it did not think Ankara had the appetite for such a move.

Washington fears a Turkish incursion could destabilize the most peaceful part of Iraq and possibly the wider region by encouraging others such as arch-foe Iran to intervene.

Iraq's government said on Wednesday it would send a team to Ankara for further talks to find a peaceful solution to the crisis. NATO and the European Union also urged restraint.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has played down expectations of any imminent attack but the parliamentary vote gives NATO's second biggest army the legal basis to cross the mountainous border as and when it sees fit.

"What matters is what parliament has said," Erdogan told reporters as he left the assembly after the vote.

Erdogan is under heavy public pressure to act after a series of deadly attacks on its troops by the rebels of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), who use northern Iraq as a base.

Ankara's stance has helped propel global oil prices to record highs above $88 a barrel, though they eased on Wednesday.

Fearing possible rebel sabotage, Turkey has beefed up security for a major oil pipeline carrying Caspian crude from the Azeri capital Baku via Georgia to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, a senior energy ministry source told Reuters.

Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek told parliament any army incursion would target only the estimated 3,000 PKK rebels in Iraq. He said Turkey would also continue to use economic and diplomatic measures in its fight against terrorism.

KURDISH SEPARATISM

Opposition parties attacked U.S. policies in the region. They repeated Turkish fears the policies would lead to the creation of an independent Kurdish state which Ankara says could reignite separatism among its own ethnic Kurdish population.

Only the small pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party (DTP) spoke against the motion, arguing that military action would worsen the economic plight of Turkey's mainly Kurdish southeast.

Bush repeated U.S. concerns. "They (Turkey) have had troops stationed there for quite a while. We don't think it's in their interest to send more troops in," he told a news conference.

"I don't think there is any willingness or any urgency or desire to have to solve this through military action, through a cross-border incursion into that area," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"The Turks are clearly frustrated. They're clearly angry. But I also do not think there is a great deal of appetite to take this next step," he said. "It would have enormous implications not just for us but for the Turks."

Turkey keeps a relatively small contingent of troops at several bases in northern Iraq dating back to the time of previous offensives in the 1990s. Those offensives failed to eliminate the PKK guerrillas.

The European Commission urged Turkey, a candidate for EU membership, to avoid taking unilateral action in Iraq.

"It is crucial that Turkey continues to tackle this problem through cooperation between the relevant authorities," Commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy said in Brussels.

Analysts say that despite its tough rhetoric Turkey may limit itself to aerial bombardment of rebel targets and small forays across the border this time, and avoid a major incursion.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki telephoned Erdogan to reiterate his commitment to combating the PKK.

Iraq's president, who is a Kurd, condemned the PKK tactics.

"We consider the activities of the PKK against the interests of the Kurdish people and against the interests of Turkey. We have asked the PKK to stop fighting and end military activity," President Jalal Talabani said during a visit to Paris.

Ankara blames the PKK, considered a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, for the deaths of more than 30,000 people since the group launched its armed struggle for an ethnic homeland in southeast Turkey in 1984.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:33 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:I'm not sure why we should care if Turks want to kill Communists.
Turkey just walked into America's favourite local bar, pinched America's girlfriend's ass (Iraq as girlfriend) and
promptly threw a drink in America's face.

Let's see what you do about it, cowards. My guess is, nothing. Nothing at all.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:34 am
by KC Scott
mvscal wrote:I'm not sure why we should care if Turks want to kill Communists.
Probably something to do with that whole "Soverign" nation silliness.
But I'm not really sure how Bush will feel about New Texas being invaded.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:52 am
by War Wagon
Martyred wrote: Turkey just walked into America's favourite local bar, pinched America's girlfriend's ass (Iraq as girlfriend) and
promptly threw a drink in America's face.
channeling mv

Guess again, dumbshit.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:57 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Yeah. Keep pretending you haven't been bitchslapped in front of your girlfriend.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:12 am
by KC Scott
Martyred wrote:
Turkey just walked into America's favourite local bar, pinched America's girlfriend's ass (Iraq as girlfriend) and
promptly threw a drink in America's face.
And Canada would be ..........

Image

You gonna let him get away with that Spike? Well are ya? Are ya? My buddy spike don't put up wit nuttin like dat....

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:15 am
by RevLimiter
RACK Scott! Bwa!

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:28 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
You like cartoons?

Here's one that aptly describes the situation your "fearless war president" has gotten you in:

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Dang. Turkey just kicked sand in your face, bitch.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:37 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:
Yes, Turkey is a sovereign nation. They are also a key NATO ally which hosts some mission critical infrastructure. On the other hand, there is a group of Kurdish communists and designated terrorist organizaton called the PKK.
You sound like an battered wife making excuses for her abusive husband.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:46 am
by Y2K
Yep,Turkey in using the same posturing scenario it has used for years on end has completely kicked the ass of the whole Democratic Anti-War effort in less than a weeks time. Now that they have promptly ended the
genocide resolution and made studs like Murtha piss their pants they can go back to making Billions from the Iraq War.

I'm sure GWB is crushed...........

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:48 am
by KC Scott
mvscal wrote:
KC Scott wrote:
mvscal wrote:I'm not sure why we should care if Turks want to kill Communists.
Probably something to do with that whole "Soverign" nation silliness.
But I'm not really sure how Bush will feel about New Texas being invaded.
Yes, Turkey is a sovereign nation. They are also a key NATO ally which hosts some mission critical infrastructure. On the other hand, there is a group of Kurdish communists and designated terrorist organizaton called the PKK.

How much time do you need to think about this?
The Soverign nation in question here is Iraq.
Turkey's taken the stance they don't want the PKK crossing their border and attacking them.
And they've now authorized millitary force to cross the Iraq border to stop them
Can't say I blame them.

The problem arises that we're sort of "running" Iraq and we don't cotton to tthe Turks wanting to cross the Soverign (oK dotted line) border
Which in a round about way puts us on the sames side as Iran :D
Except that we really want an excuse to War Iran which we will have ifd the Turks cross and Iran counters.
Got it now?

Clear as Mud.

Are you past draft age?

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:48 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:We're not falling for it.
The hell you're not.

This made my week.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:00 am
by Mikey
I can't pass up this opportunity to reset the old joke...slightly modified.

If the Kurds invade Turkey from the rear, would Greece help?


~rimshot~

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:26 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote: It won't be too difficult to coordinate it. We've worked closely with them for years.
Yeah, you guys are real good at stopping foreigners from crossing (allegedly) secure borders.

What a war. What an embarrassment.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:40 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:Ah, you're just mad the Turks are coming to kill your friends.
Mad?

Buddy, this is gonna be like Christmas, May Day and my birthday all wrapped up into one.

I wouldn't dream of missing this epic blockbuster, starring a cast of many dead GI's stuck in the middle.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:41 am
by KC Scott
Marty - maybe you know I work for a Canadian company?

All of the guys I talked and I do mean ALL say the exact same thing - While they're proud to be Canadian, they think the Health Caere system and Tax structure are fucked up.

Not just a little, but a total fuck up. Yea - your health care may be free, but your 8 hours "in clinic" as they call it, and unless your edge of death, your not getting in any sooner.

And as for the "free" part - well they say 50% of their check is gone for taxes. 50% like clockwork. Every check. All of 'em would much prefer the American system.

Yea, we just talked about health care and taxes, not foreign policy, just to keep your vive' la canada crap in perspective.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:47 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
They're just sucking up to the "American".

Trust me, those boot-licking, corporate lackeys sing a different tune when their kids get a boo-boo.

P.S. Waiting lines at hospitals here is a hoax. We don't wait. Don't let your own greasy, greedy cunt politicians lie to you.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:51 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:04 am
by fix
Martyred wrote:P.S. Waiting lines at hospitals here is a hoax. We don't wait. Don't let your own greasy, greedy cunt politicians lie to you.
That's not absolutely true.
I did have to wait a whole hour once..

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:11 am
by Dr_Phibes
KC Scott wrote:
All of the guys I talked and I do mean ALL say the exact same thing
Which pub were you in?

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:59 am
by Y2K
50% of their check is gone for taxes. 50% like clockwork

Who finally hit paydirt and brought you out of a coma?

Hell of a deal isn't it?

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:17 am
by Mister Bushice
Mikey wrote:I can't pass up this opportunity to reset the old joke...slightly modified.

If the Kurds invade Turkey from the rear, would Greece help?


~rimshot~
And give Istanbul the works?

That's nobodys business but the Turks.





Long bus ride for the Kurds, too.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:50 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
R-Jack wrote:
Martyred wrote: walked into America's favourite local bar, pinched America's girlfriend's ass (Iraq as girlfriend) and
promptly threw a drink in America's face.
Last time I checked, the proper response from America would have been a savage . A follow up may be asking how much Turkey can bench.
You realize the inevitability of Zyclone sneaking up behind America's girlfriend, throwing his arm around her, while one one
his "boys" snaps a picture, right?

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:01 pm
by OCmike
R-Jack wrote: A follow up may be asking how much Turkey can bench.
BWA...RACK!

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:26 pm
by Dinsdale
Only if Iraq is under 5 feet tall.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:32 pm
by Cuda
Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote:I'm not sure why we should care if Turks want to kill Communists.
Turkey just walked into America's favourite local bar, pinched America's girlfriend's ass (Iraq as girlfriend) and
promptly threw a drink in America's face.

Let's see what you do about it, cowards. My guess is, nothing. Nothing at all.
Did you type that before you swallowed your tongue, or after recovering?

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:34 am
by KC Scott
Martyred wrote:They're just sucking up to the "American".
:D

Trust me, those boot-licking, corporate lackeys sing a different tune when their kids get a boo-boo.

P.S. Waiting lines at hospitals here is a hoax. We don't wait. Don't let your own greasy, greedy cunt politicians lie to you.
Again, they said if they had to take their kid to "clinic" it was an all day process unless it was an emergency.
And the 50% number was said by 2 guys on my level - Director, One of the Sales Managers and one of the inside Sales People.

No reason to think any of them were trying to "impress" me with their tale of woe