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Did anybody else happen to catch his line from his first collegiate game........32 pts. / 24 rebounds. The 24 boards are a Big 12 record.

Looks like this kid is for real.

Beasley is da troof. If Walker stays healthy KSU may very well win the Big 12 this year. Then when those guys bolt for the league with Huggy Bear already taking his show to WVU it'll be back to the basement with them.

Shine wrote:KSU may very well win the Big 12 this year.

Hey now...........







lol!

He scored 30 again in game 2........

Looks like the elusive KSU home win against Kansas may be in the cards this year.

Degenerate wrote:Looks like the elusive KSU home win against Kansas may be in the cards this year.

If they don't get it this year, it may never happen until they build another new building

28 pts/22 rebounds in game 3.

Yikes! This kid is scary.

He was the best player in the McDonalds AA game.

He'll make the Big 12 forget about that skinny cat from Tejas that's going to shoot about 35% on the season, as I predicted, in the league. Beasley is averaging 30 and 20. That's pretty sick. I can't WAIT 'til we play them.. (rolleyes)

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JeffintheCuse wrote:

Degenerate wrote:Looks like the elusive KSU home win against Kansas may be in the cards this year.

If they don't get it this year, it may never happen until they build another new building

maybe they should try calling the new building Ahearn Fieldhouse...again.

In light of Beasley's performance against Mizzou this weekend, I thought a bump of this thread was in order.

Beasley is jut unbelievable. Best college freshman I think I've ever seen.......

Mook wrote:In light of Beasley's performance against Mizzou this weekend, I thought a bump of this thread was in order.

Beasley is jut unbelievable. Best college freshman I think I've ever seen.......

earlier this year he had 35 and 22 against ISU. in 20 minutes of playing time.

no one keeps that up, but that's on pace for a 70/44 night.

Mook wrote:Beasley is jut unbelievable. Best college freshman I think I've ever seen.......

With the new rule, this will become the norm. Those 3-4 kids each year that got drafted into the NBA will now be playing college ball for one year. Durant, Oden, Beasley...none of these kids would have even considered college had it not been for the 1 year removed rule.

I, too, was taken in last year by Durant and Oden. Beasley is no shock to me...and he will not be much better than an above average NBA player if that. He's a man amongst boys this year. He'll be "just another" next year.

IndyFrisco wrote:

Mook wrote:Beasley is jut unbelievable. Best college freshman I think I've ever seen.......

With the new rule, this will become the norm. Those 3-4 kids each year that got drafted into the NBA will now be playing college ball for one year. Durant, Oden, Beasley...none of these kids would have even considered college had it not been for the 1 year removed rule.

I, too, was taken in last year by Durant and Oden. Beasley is no shock to me...and he will not be much better than an above average NBA player if that. He's a man amongst boys this year. He'll be "just another" next year.

Beasley is a better player than either Durant or Oden. The guy's game is so polished both inside and outside. He plays pretty fair defense and he rebounds like a fiend. He's big, he gets his points in the framework of their offense. I realize that with the rule we are seeing players who never would have played in college and frankly they shouldn't have to in my opinion. Beasley would start for any NBA team right now. Personally I think he will be very successful at the next level.....I see no reason he can't be like Stoudemire or Garnett. He has every tool. What makes you say he will only be "not much better than average" in the NBA Indy? Not bashing, just curious. Because I see a guy who has what it takes to excel at that level.

Mook wrote:Beasley would start for any NBA team right now. Personally I think he will be very successful at the next level...

Agreed. And aside from his exceptional physical skills, which are many, he seems to have a great head on his shoulders as well. Just a good kid from all reports who's hard not to like.

At the risk of drawing the ire of Dins, I'll predict he's the #1 pick this year.

War Wagon wrote:
At the risk of drawing the ire of Dins, I'll predict he's the #1 pick this year.

Seems like a no-brainer, depending on team need.


As far as "would start for any NBA team".... uh, yeah. You know what you're talking about. A rook is still a rook, a hall of famer is still a hall of famer. Yeah, better put Kevin Garnett on the bench to get Beasley in there :canyoufeelthemrolling?:

Wow. That was quick.

I don't think Beasley will suck, but at 6'9", he won't be pulling as many boards in the next level as he is now. Rodman did so, but he was a rebound vulture. It's all he did. I'm not saying he'll be a P.J. Brown. I just don't think he'll be a Kevin Garnett. He'll be somewhere in between.

Dinsdale wrote:
As far as "would start for any NBA team".... uh, yeah. You know what you're talking about. A rook is still a rook, a hall of famer is still a hall of famer. Yeah, better put Kevin Garnett on the bench to get Beasley in there :canyoufeelthemrolling?:

I know it's a radical idea.....but maybe Beasley could be on the floor with Garnett.....or another yet to be named hall of famer. Thought most teams started 5.

Would you care to provide me with a list of teams/team that Beasley WOULD NOT start for right now?

I'm anxiously waiting.....

What's funny is the comparison of Beasley and Garnett. Just think if Minnesota wins the lotto and drafts Beasley, what are the odds he spends ten years with the T-wolves making the playoffs and does not get to the finals?

Mook wrote:Would you care to provide me with a list of teams/team that Beasley WOULD NOT start for right now?

I'm anxiously waiting.....

Depends whether he can show an ability to play the 3. The NBA game is definitely evolving to more of an up-and-down style, rather than the power-game that's been prominant for the last couple of decades, so the 3 might be tough for him... although granted, where there's a will there's a way.


If not... starting closest to home, the Blazers would be one. OBVIOUSLY. You don't invest the resources the Blazers have in a high lottery pick to replace him in a year or two. He'd definitely have to win that job, which would be very unlikely as a rook.

San Antonio. Duncan don't really do the 5. Or should Pop bench Duncan for a rook?

Dallas -- Dirk don't do the 5. So you're suggesting that Squeaky benches the reigning MVP for Beasley?

Utah -- which All Star are you going to bench in order to give a rook a starting job?

The Suns -- Let's see, should we bench Shaq or Amare to put a rook in the game?

Which monster-of-the-glass should the Hornets shelve to get Beasley his starting spot?

You'd start a rookie Beasley over a healthy Elton Brand?

And give it a couple of weeks... Pau Gasol, or a rookie? HMMMM.... tough call there.

The East doesn't have such limitted posibilities, due to the lack of centers in the East.


But the Wizards might not want to break up their All Star frontcourt to get more looks for a rook.

I'm sure if Charlotte benched Okafor, it would ensure he resigns there. No, really.


Atlanta doesn't have much invested in their frontline, right?

As I'm sure the Bucks would be willing to flush a couple of years' worth of lotteries down the toilet to start a rook.

Toronto? Nah, they're not starting to reap the benefits of the lottery... screw that and give the keys to the franchise to a rook.

While I'm confident Beasley would be a huge improvement for the Knicks, they have about 80 buhzillion dollars tied up in their inept frontline, so hold your breath waiting on that one.

Boston could move Garnett to the 5, but would lose a matchup advantage doing so (which wouldn't be nearly so rough in the Least).


Well, I hope this has cleared up some of your "anxiety," and hopefully might even have helped you learn a little bit about how the NBA works.


Don't get me wrong, Beasley is one of the better prospects to hit the Association in recent years (although he's not nearly the buzz Greggy was, nor should he be). My crystal ball says he's going to be one HELL of a player. But to start talking about benching Hall of Famers to put a rook* in their place is absolutely ridiculous.



* -- Remind me again which one-and-done college player learned the NBA defensive rotations in his first few games?... I'm anxiously awaiting...

Believe the Heupel wrote: Aren't you the guy who was saying Adrian Peterson was the best back in the league this year?

Adrian Peterson plays in the NBA, too?


DAMN, I missed that.


What can't the guy do?

RumpleForeskin wrote:Just think if Minnesota wins the lotto and drafts Beasley

I realize you're just playing the "what if" game, but you do know that Minny just mortgaged the farm for a long-term 4, right? You know, that one they kind of traded Garnett for?

If Minnesota wins the lottery, it would be foolish to not trade down... absolutely foolish. THEN AGAIN, last I checked, a certain fool is still the GM, so you never know.

For every Michael Beasley there are 10 Stromile Swifts.

Dinsdale wrote:

Mook wrote:Would you care to provide me with a list of teams/team that Beasley WOULD NOT start for right now?

I'm anxiously waiting.....

Depends whether he can show an ability to play the 3. The NBA game is definitely evolving to more of an up-and-down style, rather than the power-game that's been prominant for the last couple of decades, so the 3 might be tough for him... although granted, where there's a will there's a way.


If not... starting closest to home, the Blazers would be one. OBVIOUSLY. You don't invest the resources the Blazers have in a high lottery pick to replace him in a year or two. He'd definitely have to win that job, which would be very unlikely as a rook.

San Antonio. Duncan don't really do the 5. Or should Pop bench Duncan for a rook?

Dallas -- Dirk don't do the 5. So you're suggesting that Squeaky benches the reigning MVP for Beasley?

Utah -- which All Star are you going to bench in order to give a rook a starting job?

The Suns -- Let's see, should we bench Shaq or Amare to put a rook in the game?

Which monster-of-the-glass should the Hornets shelve to get Beasley his starting spot?

You'd start a rookie Beasley over a healthy Elton Brand?

And give it a couple of weeks... Pau Gasol, or a rookie? HMMMM.... tough call there.

The East doesn't have such limitted posibilities, due to the lack of centers in the East.


But the Wizards might not want to break up their All Star frontcourt to get more looks for a rook.

I'm sure if Charlotte benched Okafor, it would ensure he resigns there. No, really.


Atlanta doesn't have much invested in their frontline, right?

As I'm sure the Bucks would be willing to flush a couple of years' worth of lotteries down the toilet to start a rook.

Toronto? Nah, they're not starting to reap the benefits of the lottery... screw that and give the keys to the franchise to a rook.

While I'm confident Beasley would be a huge improvement for the Knicks, they have about 80 buhzillion dollars tied up in their inept frontline, so hold your breath waiting on that one.

Boston could move Garnett to the 5, but would lose a matchup advantage doing so (which wouldn't be nearly so rough in the Least).


Well, I hope this has cleared up some of your "anxiety," and hopefully might even have helped you learn a little bit about how the NBA works.


Don't get me wrong, Beasley is one of the better prospects to hit the Association in recent years (although he's not nearly the buzz Greggy was, nor should he be). My crystal ball says he's going to be one HELL of a player. But to start talking about benching Hall of Famers to put a rook* in their place is absolutely ridiculous.



* -- Remind me again which one-and-done college player learned the NBA defensive rotations in his first few games?... I'm anxiously awaiting...

Beasley will play 3 or 4 in the NBA, he'd play 5 in a pinch although he'd fit in at the five about as well as Stoudemire has from a defensive standpoint. And if you think Beasley doesn't start for Washington, Atlanta, Knicks, Toronto or Charlotte I'm not the one who needs to learn about the NBA.

In Phoenix he would start in place of Grant Hill........not Shaq or Amare.

In Dallas, I'm pretty sure Dampier and his worthless ass could sit the bench in favor of Dampier.....as you said the game is getting more up and down....Beasley could work the 5 for this group.

Utah....oh I don't know, he might start ahead of Okur......going out on a limb there. And I actually like Okur as a player.

I'm nearly certain your beloved Blazers could sneak him on your frontline with a presumably "healthy" Oden and Aldridge.........

San Antonion probably wouldn't be able to work Beasley in over Bowen or Oberto......depending if they wanted to go big or small.

Is Elton Brand healthy?? That's a hell of an assumption.....once again though, I'm certain though that the Clippers would dramatically improve themselves with the addition of Beasley.

As for the Bucks.......well if you're going to ride out Villanueva and Bogut then you're right......why would you need Beasley.

Maybe you were right.....maybe all the teams in the NBA will protect their past draft mistakes and pass on Beasley or let him ride the pine. Not many players as talented as Beasley ever started as rooks......Stoudemire, Garnett, Howard, Anthony, Roy, Durant....nope none of those guys could crack the rotation......I'm sure Beasley will be picking splinters out of his ass all year. Hopefully he'll be able to log a couple of minutes by his second or third year when he learns the defensive rotations......

I can't believe I've been baited into this, but whatever.......I'll see it out.

And Dins......I never mentioned benching hall of famers for Beasley......I said he'd start for any team in the NBA right now. BIG Difference.

And for every Kwame Brown, there's a Michael Olowokandi.


Waitaminute... that analogy sucked... nevermind.


And Kevin Durant is dangerously close to that slippery slope, although I get the impression he's of higher character than Brown and Candy. But dang, talk about being put in a position to fail... too bad for Durant.


But at least in the All Star game where no one plays any defense whatsoever, and everyone gets a free pass to go to the rim at will, Durant was able to crack the 50% barrier... barely. Frankly, for all the hype... dude really isn't all that good (although I'm withholding the final judgement for a few years). I believe that was his 4th game over 50% this year... YIKES!!!! And his "defense" is atrocious, too.


That was the guy many of you (sup WW) were calling the "next MJ," and shit like that, right? So sorry if I can't get behind the idea of sending Hall of Fame players packing to get Beasley an immediate starting role.

RumpleForeskin wrote:For every Michael Beasley there are 10 Stromile Swifts.

True and I've been around this board for a long time and I don't ever remember even one person who promoted Stromile Swift as anything more than what he is right now.

Geez Dins......weren't you the guy ordering banners when you all got Oden?? Last time I checked I have as many NBA buckets as he does.....

You can't even begin to judge Durant based on the situation in Seattle right now and you know it. They forfeited this year. Everyone in the league knows it.....Durant is suffering as a result.

Mook wrote:And Dins......I never mentioned benching hall of famers for Beasley......I said he'd start for any team in the NBA right now. BIG Difference.

Uhm... hello?

Maybe we're speaking a different language? Or you're talking about a different NBA?

OK... try and follow...

At this point, Beasley looks like a 4 and a 4 only (notice the "at this point" qualifier?).

So, let's follow the Logic Brick Road, shall we?

If Michael Beasley starts at the 4, Tim Duncan doesn't.

If you need this explained further, I'll try to help, but I'm not sure it gets any more simple than that, unless you're advocating playing him at the point, or maybe lining up as a falconback.

You saying Beasley is only a four is the problem we're having. The guy is a 3 or 4 and in a pinch he could serve as a 5.

I find it laughable that if the Spurs had Beasley you are saying there is no way he could crack that starting line-up? If you were Popovich Dinsdale you wouldn't find a way to get him into the starting 5? Maybe in place of Bowen or Oberto?? Obviously Duncan doesn't sit....maybe Duncan would even work with you as coach. Much the same way David Robinson worked with his coach when a promising young rook named Duncan showed up on the scene in San Antonio. I mean they're both 4's right? Using your faulty logic they couldn't both be on the court at the same time......yet the Spurs managed to work it out AND win a title as a result. I'm certain there are some forward thinking coaches out there who would fit this Beasley fellow into their scheme.

Mook wrote:Geez Dins......weren't you the guy ordering banners when you all got Oden??

Still am. If anything, he's more impressive now, even in injury, than he was then. Yet he still has to EARN a starting job. Which he should do easily, judging from the brief glimpses of sheer brilliance we've seen so far.

You can't even begin to judge Durant based on the situation in Seattle right now and you know it.

The FUCK I can't.

HORRRRRRRIBLE shot selection. Possibly the worst I've ever seen, even for rooks.

Makes little-to-no effort to get his teammates involved.

Makes little-to-no effort on defense.


And just a HORRRRRRRRIBLE shooter. Who can't gaurd anyone.

That's not a function of a dysfunctional organization (although I certainly agree that the situation isn't helping him any, and I noted as such. I'll even go so far as to say he couldn't be in a worse one unless he was in the state of Tennessee) -- that's a function of a selfish player with a low basketball-IQ.

Dinsdale wrote:that's a function of a selfish player with a low basketball-IQ.

Yet he still managed to crack the starting lineup as a rook!

Durant will be good. Will he as good as everyone claimed him to be? Probably not.

Dins, I will say this, Lebron's rookie season was impressive, but Durant aint that far off. Oh, btw, Lebron had a MUCH better supporting cast in Cleveland than Durant has this year. Just look at their rookie season #s

Lebron

FG% - 41.7 PPG - 20.9 RPG - 5.5 AST - 5.9

Durant

FG%- 40.2 PPG - 19.4 RPG - 4.1 AST - 2.2

Lebron has Durant beat in every category but not by a whole lot when comparing rookie seasons.

If Durant was given Boozer, Ricky Davis, and Ilgauskus as his supporting cast then his numbers might be better. Just sayin'.

Mook wrote:You saying Beasley is only a four is the problem we're having. The guy is a 3 or 4 and in a pinch he could serve as a 5.

OK, I get it -- you're yanking my chain.

Beasley the Rook would be a great matchup against Dwight Howard, Bosch, Shaq, or Bynum, right? Either that, or Wilt's record would be in jeapordy... one or the other.

I find it laughable that if the Spurs had Beasley you are saying there is no way he could crack that starting line-up?

Uhm,,, SA brings a multiple All Star and elite player off the bench.

If you were Popovich Dinsdale you wouldn't find a way to get him into the starting 5? Maybe in place of Bowen or Oberto??

Let's see -- Ditching Oberto puts Duncan at the 5. Hmmm... won 4 championships in 9 years by sticking with a certain formula/strategy... yeah, abandoning that to put a rook in the starting lineup makes sense. No, really.

Bowen makes the All-Defensive team every freaking season. Rooks are pretty well known for being defensive liabilities. Defense wins championships. Do the math.

Much the same way David Robinson worked with his coach when a promising young rook named Duncan showed up on the scene in San Antonio. I mean they're both 4's right?

???

To answer your question... No. Robinson played center pretty much his entire career, Duncan has played the 4 essentially his whole career.

What does it say about your point when you have to make shit up to reinforce it?

Using your faulty logic they couldn't both be on the court at the same time......yet the Spurs managed to work it out AND win a title as a result. I'm certain there are some forward thinking coaches out there who would fit this Beasley fellow into their scheme.

By benching Hall of Famers? Yeahhhhhhh, right.


I get your base point. And I agree with it. Beasley has mad mad game, and a "presence." As mentioned, I fully believe that he will be a huge star on the next level, as well. But to say that he's going to start ahead of HoFers, or that a wildly successful team is going to change their proven-successful basic strategy to accomodate a rook is asinine.

RumpleForeskin wrote: If Durant was given Ricky Davis as his supporting cast then his numbers might be better.

I agree. With Ricky Davis on his team, there just wouldn't be enough shitty shots to go around for Durant to be able to toss up horrendouly ill-advised bricks at the clip he does now.

Beasley won't be playing in San Antonio anyway.....so it's an irrelevant debate.

Regardless.......we'll see how it plays out next year.

Dinsdale wrote:[to accomodate a rook is asinine.

Nobody would be "accomodating" anybody......they would be improving their team.

Dinsdale wrote: That was the guy many of you (sup WW) were calling the "next MJ," and shit like that, right?

No, that's not right. I never compared Durant to any current or former NBA player, much less MJ.

My sole contention about Durant was that I felt he was better than Oden and should be taken with the 1st pick. You disagreed vehemently. I think you may have even called me a derogatory name once or twice... or 50 times.

Obviously, the jury is still out on Oden. I'll have to take your word for it on Durant, since I don't follow the NBA closely and haven't watched a game he's played. It does seem he hasn't performed up to my expectations so far. Maybe that's just because of the team he has around him, dunno'.

As for Beasley, I'm not comparing him to any current or former NBA player either, just saying that he should be the #1 pick this year. And yes, that he'll start for whichever team is fortunate enough to get him.

Um, you guys do realize that in the NBA Beasley is going to play the 3 and not the 4 right??? You realize he's only 6'7 in bare feet?? You realize he has range past the 3 point line??

As for his college career, since this is the college forum last I checked, Beasley is in the lead for national POY and has a shot to lead K-State to a Big 12 title.

Jumping back to the NBA real quick since it was touched on in this thread, Durant is struggling as bad as he is because he's being played out of position. He could be very mediocre if they played him in his correct spot. Oh, but his paper numbers look nice and he'll be the ROY. Prolly ring up some nice endorsement checks too.