will big 12 get over on pac 10 again?

[SoCalTrjn]

in 2001, Nebraska was not deserving to play in the BCS title game, they got slammed by Colorado but got in over a more deserving Oregon squad
in 2003, Oklahoma lost their conf title game miserably and they still got in to the big dance over the #1 in both human polls USC team
in 2005 some serious politicking and ball licking by Mack Brown got his Texas team to jump California bumping the bears from the BCS bowls

Cut to 2007, the every other year thing looms on the horizon as Oregon sits #2 and has to look over their shoulder at #3 Oklahoma. Oregon has no marquee matchups left, just a couple sleepers vs UCLAbia and the Vagina Squirrels while Oklahoma is guaranteed a game vs a top 5 team in Missouri or Kansas and you know Stoops will go for a lot of style points in his games vs Okie St and Texas Tech, what does Stoopsie do but run up scores?
Right now Oklahoma is 7 in the Computer Polls but with Kansas and Missouri sitting at 2 and 5, a win vs either of them will certainly jump the Sooners in the computers. Arizona State is certainly no guarantee to stay at 4 in the computer rankings, Ohio state likely wins out but with a win vs what will be a 4 loss Michigan squad, how much higher can the Buckeyes go?
Oklahoma is 3rd in the Human polls, 71 points behind Oregon in the Harris and a mere 41 points behind the Ducks in the Coaches poll, with the big 12 politicking that went on in 05, it would be hard to beleive that favors wont be asked to be cashed in for 07
Oregon to the college football world is a funny little squad with ugly uniforms, a fat proprieter and a small stadium in the North West, Oklahoma is well, Oklahoma
Oklahoma can also play the, "Oregon screwed us with the officials in 06 that let the Ducks get over in Eugene, now its everyones chance to screw Oregon and the Pac 10 officials back and let Oklahoma get over on the Ducks"

For Oregon to be sure that they will get the invite to the BCS title game in New Orleans, the Ducks need to win convincingly in their final 2 games and hope that LSU loses. If Kansas wins out, Oregon will play the Jayhawks in the title game if Missouri beats Kansas and Oklahoma, Oregon makes it to the title game as well as I dont think Missouri will jump Oregon in the polls, its Missouri for fucks sake.

That also sets up the possibility for another split title, If Oregon is #2 in the AP Poll and gets jumped by AP #3 Oklahoma for the BCS title game and Oklahoma beats LSU in the game, the BCS can crown Oklahoma while the AP crowns Oregon

There are 12 BCS bowl spots and 6 major conferences that can send 2 teams each.
Ohio state beats Michigan and the Big 10 sends just 1 team
The Big 12 will send 2, likely Oklahoma and Missouri
The Big East will likely send 1 as only West Virginia is in the top 20 in the BCS standings
The Pac 10 will get 2, Oregon if they win out and either USC or ASU if either of them win out
The SEC will get 2, likely LSU and Georgia
The ACC can get 2 if Clemson beats Va Tech in their title game

That leaves 2 more at large teams and since no conf can send more than 2 teams , schools like Kansas, Florida, Texas, Virginia, USC/ASU loser will be left out. Maybe Illinois can get in but theyre sitting at 19 and then the winner of the Hawaii/Boise St game will get the other spot.

[Terry in Crapchester]

There are 12 BCS bowl spots and 6 major conferences that can send 2 teams each.
Ohio state beats Michigan and the Big 10 sends just 1 team
The Big 12 will send 2, likely Oklahoma and Missouri
The Big East will likely send 1 as only West Virginia is in the top 20 in the BCS standings
The Pac 10 will get 2, Oregon if they win out and either USC or ASU if either of them win out
The SEC will get 2, likely LSU and Georgia
The ACC can get 2 if Clemson beats Va Tech in their title game

That leaves 2 more at large teams and since no conf can send more than 2 teams , schools like Kansas, Florida, Texas, Virginia, USC/ASU loser will be left out. Maybe Illinois can get in but theyre sitting at 19 and then the winner of the Hawaii/Boise St game will get the other spot.

There are ten BCS bowl bids, not twelve. You need to be Top 14 to be eligible for a BCS at-large bid, with one exception: a team from a non-BCS conference is guaranteed a BCS at-large bid with a Top 16 finish if they finish ahead of at least one team with an automatic bid.

Agree with you that the Big Ten won't have more than one. If tOSU beats Michigan, that's pretty much written in granite.

In the Big East, if West Virginia wins out, they will get the only BCS bid. If UConn beats West Virginia, however, UConn likely will win the Big East, and in the process, will all but clinch a BCS bid for Hawaii if Hawaii wins out.

I disagree with you about the ACC. At this point, it's set up as essentially a four-team playoff for the conference title. Fredo and Clemson play this week, winner wins the Atlantic Division. Va Tech and UVa play next week, winner wins the Coastal Division. The winners play December 1 for the ACC title. I don't think anyone but the eventual conference champion emerges from that with a Top 14 ranking.

At this point, the SEC, Pac-10 and Big XII are all but assured of at-large BCS bids. Here's an interesting scenario, could play out:

- tOSU beats Michigan.
- West Virginia wins out.
- Hawaii loses to Washington.
- From the ACC, only the conference champion finishes with a Top 14 ranking.

Who gets the final at-large BCS bid in that case? Do they take a second at-large team from either the SEC, Pac-10 or Big XII, or do they expand eligibility beyond the Top 14?

[Dinsdale]

Oregon to the college football world is a funny little squad with ugly uniforms, a fat proprieter

WTF are you babbling about this time?

A "fat proprieter" (people who weren't educated at USC spell that "proprietor"-btw)?

Dave Frohnmayer? He's not fat. If you're stuck in the past, Myles Brand wasn't fat either.

Phil Knight? Definitely not fat.

Mike Bellotti? Also not fat.


WTF are you talking about?

[Dinsdale]

^^^^That threw me, too. Who the hell is SoCal referring to at Oregon?

Maybe the "we're just a bunch of fat kids living the dream" threw him off?

If Tennessee gets to the title game, I don't see them going BCSin'.

Let me take that back...we'll get two probably, but no one other than LSU deserves to go to one.

Your scenario doesn't include the possibility of Tenn winning the SEC championship game. That gets them a freebie, doesn't it? Same for Georgia, right?

If that were to happen (doubtful, but possible), I see 2 BCS teams from the SEC. The PAC could get 2, and the B12 could get 2. Just a matter of who does what, I suppose.

Such a great time of year... here we are talking about these scenarios, and there's plenty of football left to be played in the regular season.

RACK this season, and RACK CFB in general. Greatest water-cooler subject EVAR.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I don't see the SEC getting more than one school in a BCS game, unless LSU is upset in the championship game by Georgia. If Tennessee gets to the title game, I don't see them going BCSin'.

Let me take that back...we'll get two probably, but no one other than LSU deserves to go to one.

Sam, take this scenario.

Tennessee and Georgia both win out in the regular season. That means that Tennessee goes to the SEC championship game vs. LSU (both Tennessee and Georgia have two conference losses, Tennessee wins tiebreaker on strength of head-to-head win). Tennessee then loses to LSU in the SEC championship game.

You have Georgia sitting out there at 10-2. And they're currently ranked #9 in the BCS poll, with that ranking standing a good chance of actually increasing in light of matchups still to come in the Big XII (Kansas-Missouri and Kansas-Missouri winner vs. Oklahoma). Then consider that no conference can have more than one at-large bid. And throw in the fact that LSU likely is playing in the BCS championship game under that scenario, giving the Sugar Bowl one of the first two picks.

Do you honestly think the BCS passes up Georgia under that scenario?

[SoCalTrjn]

what if Tennessee beats LSU convincingly in the tilte game, does the SEC send 2 loss LSU with a more recent loss or 2 loss Georgia as their at large team.
sorry bout the math, 3 am posting, nothing good comes from it.

[Danimal]

Neb was actually screwed by falling into the championship-game. Before everyone in front of them lost they were headed to a game where they could win and wash-off the stink from the CU-game. Instead they ran into an incredibly talented Miami team that had a month to practice against the option. I was hoping for CU or Oregon to get the spot.

If LSU runs the board they are in, if they lose they are out(barring losses by the teams in front of them).

I really don't see KU running the board, but if they do get by Mizzou and OU I think they have a solid argument.

If it gets down to Mizzou or OU vs Oregon for the spot things get sticky. Oregon plays the tougher sched but OU/Mizzou have to win a CCG. Considering history I wouldn't mind seeing Oregon get the shot they didn't get in '01.

[Vito Corleone]

I could see KU beating Mizzou but not Oklahoma, still if they did this I could easily say they deserve to be in the BCS champship game over anyone else in the country. They are the only undefeated team left in a BCS conference.

[Adelpiero]

should this be locked now

[indyfrisco]

I may just lock schmuck along with it...

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

Neb was actually screwed by falling into the championship-game. Before everyone in front of them lost they were headed to a game where they could win and wash-off the stink from the CU-game. Instead they ran into an incredibly talented Miami team that had a month to practice against the option. I was hoping for CU or Oregon to get the spot.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but I don't see how you could ever characterize playing for an MNC as "getting screwed." I also have a hard time believing you were hoping CU or Oregon would go. At the time, I thought Oregon was the most deserving of the three teams, but I was still hoping CU would somehow sneak in. They probably would've gotten blown out by Miami too, but anytime you get an MNC shot, you've gotta take it...

[Danimal]

I'd rather have seen somebody else in that spot because I really didn't like our chances of winning. CU exposed us. We were good but definitely not on Miami's level. I'd rather have seen us whack a very beatable Illini team in the Sugar. Getting whacked back-to-back was traumatizing to the program. Ya hindsight is 20/20 but I had misgivings when all teams in front of us fell-off, I was hoping for the best in that game but in my gut I saw a buzzsaw coming.