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88,

That's dumb.

Sin,
Nada since 1939

i don't get the Big 10 fascination with the Rose Bowl.

why get excited to go play essentially a road game against the Pac 10 which rarely in the last 30 years meant much in terms of the MNC/pre-BCS picture.

maybe i overstep, but i'd like to see a list of National Champs that came out of the Granddady since 1970.

Arkansas sucks out loud on the road. If they were playing LSU in Fayetteville, they might have a chance, but in BR, no way. LSU should beat the crap out of them, like Tennessee did a few weeks ago.

Georgia would have the best chance at beating LSU, especially with the SEC title game in Atlanta.

I have no idea how the Big XII is going to shake out, but I am really looking forward to the watching the game in KC on Saturday night. I honestly have no idea who will win, nor even who will be favored.

88 wrote:Some people might not understand this, but I don't want LSU and the winner of the Kansas/Missouri game to lose this year. I really want to see Ohio State play in the Rose Bowl. I could see a situation where LSU loses to Arkansas (I don't think Tennessee or Georgia would beat LSU, by the way), and where the winner of the Kansas/Mizzou game gets punked by OU or Texas in the BigXII Championship game. That would leave Ohio State and WVU (who should beat UConn) in the MNC game. It isn't that I don't think Ohio Stated could beat WVU, in fact, I think OSU would beat the shit out of WVU (I think they have a shitty defense). I just want to see Ohio State play in the Rose Bowl again. Its been a long time. Only twice in the last 23 years (1985 and 1997).

Go Tigers!
Go Jayhawks and/or Tigers!
Go Mountaineers!

But most of all, Go Bucks!

It isn't as great as it seems....I almost relieved that we won't be getting our ass kicked by a Pac-10 team this year.

King Crimson wrote:i don't get the Big 10 fascination with the Rose Bowl.

why get excited to go play essentially a road game against the Pac 10 which rarely in the last 30 years meant much in terms of the MNC/pre-BCS picture.

maybe i overstep, but i'd like to see a list of National Champs that came out of the Granddady since 1970.

It's that type of mentality that has been frustrating for me to understand as well. It seems like all of these big conferences have their own way of doing business. The Big Ten for as long as I can remember is...win the conference and go to Pasadena. What is the reward of the Rose Bowl? Is this the artificial goal for Big Ten teams since there isn't a natural way to play for a national title? If conference play is so important, then why play cupcakes in the non-conference? It's tradition and historic and all that but it's pretty anti-climactic to me. To me, if you aren't playing a national title, you're just playing for runner-up prizes.

88 wrote:If the Bucks have to go there, I'll watch it on TV. If the Bucks get to go to Pasadena, I'll drop some ducats and see it in person.

Ah, now the Sasquach hits the trees.

:wink:

I was perplexed, but I see ya workin, now.

RadioFan wrote:Arkansas sucks out loud on the road. If they were playing LSU in Fayetteville, they might have a chance, but in BR, no way. LSU should beat the crap out of them, like Tennessee did a few weeks ago.

Which, in this cluster fuck of a college football season that is 2007, means that Arkansas is the stone cold lead pipe lock of the week.

The Rose Bowl is always the goal if you grow up in pac or big 11 land. It had always been an extremely exclusive bowl and the the only bowl that you had to be your conference champion to play in.
Not growing up a fan of a team in those conferences may make it hard to understand that Pasadena is what your team is playing for, its the end all, the recent BCS stuff has done a little to deminish the Granddaddy but anyone who has been to that game, any player that took part in the traditions before the game, they realize that the rose Bowl is special
I hope to see USC and Ohio State int he Rose Bowl, they havent met in the Rose Bowl in 22 years and with a home and home coming up, a good Rose Bowl will make the teams more familliar with one another

Shoalzie wrote: It's that type of mentality that has been frustrating for me to understand as well.

Schotz -- you could save yourself a lot of typing by merely making everything you post in the CFB Forum read "I don't get it."

Becuase that's what every single post you type in here says.

You just don't get it.

At some point, you're either going to have to give up trying to get it, or go insane trying to figure it out.


Because bro, not to be rude, bit you're easily the biggest "doesn't get it" guy here.

88 wrote:I'd much rather go to Pasadena and the Rose Bowl, where the game is steeped with tradition and is played in the open air on grass. The MNC game is going to be played indoors, on fake grass, in a joint that will be forever remembered for how bad human beings can behave at times.

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Absofuckinglutely!!!

Those who haven't been to the Rose Bowl don't understand.

What 88 says is right on. If you win the Big10 you will more than likely be prominant in the national landscape. So going to Pasadena is a wondeful place to spend New Years. The Rose Bowl is the Grandaddy. It's what we Big10'ers grew up on.

Dins, what he's saying is that playing in a non-MNC bowl game is like kissing your cousin.

Well if the Rose Bowl does'nt work out for you there is always Boisie. I understand the weather is lovely that time of the year.

King Crimson wrote:i don't get the Big 10 fascination with the Rose Bowl.

why get excited to go play essentially a road game against the Pac 10 which rarely in the last 30 years meant much in terms of the MNC/pre-BCS picture.

maybe i overstep, but i'd like to see a list of National Champs that came out of the Granddady since 1970.

From 1970 to the initiation of the BCS . . .

USC had a split national championship in '79 (split with Alabama)
Michigan had a split national championship in '97 (split with Nebraska)

Those I know for sure. I also seem to remember (this is a bit hazy, perhaps the lurker by the river can help me out) that USC might have had a split national championship out of the Rose Bowl sometime in the early 70's, perhaps '72 or '74 (I know ND won it in '73).

To an extent, I get what 88 was saying, and I understand that's the perspective of the Big Ten/Pac-10 fanbase. And not to turn this into another ND/conference thread, but I think he unwittingly hit on another roadblock between ND and the Big Ten.

Not to be arrogant, but ND's goal is a national championship every year, and anything less than that is ultimately a disappointment. Yes, the more realistic among us realize that goal is impossible, but it remains the goal nonetheless. In light of that, I'm not sure that NDFan can transition from that mindset to the mindset of the Rose Bowl as the be-all, end-all. Nor am I sure that NDFan would want to do that even if they could.

I am a big 10 honk...but honestly the MNC should be the goal...obviously you have to win your conference in most years to have a shot...so having a goal of winning your conference is part 1...but at the same time...if you don't roll some (insert SEC team hear) in a bowl game...you basically get no legitamacy in the eyes of the CF world...

so in OSU's instance given we are 0-8 v SEC in bowl games...I want to play a SEC team in a bowl game...now if they did and beat them...we will hear well that is only 1 team or well you are 1-8...rather than what happened in the now...

other than that just win the fucking bowl game and go 12-1...that is also fine with me...

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Not to be arrogant, but ND's goal is a national championship every year, and anything less than that is ultimately a disappointment. Yes, the more realistic among us realize that goal is impossible, but it remains the goal nonetheless.

You might want to aim a tad lower.

Like, say, being able to cross midfield before halftime.

SoCalTrjn wrote:The Rose Bowl is always the goal if you grow up in pac or big 11 land. It had always been an extremely exclusive bowl and the the only bowl that you had to be your conference champion to play in.
Not growing up a fan of a team in those conferences may make it hard to understand that Pasadena is what your team is playing for, its the end all, the recent BCS stuff has done a little to deminish the Granddaddy but anyone who has been to that game, any player that took part in the traditions before the game, they realize that the rose Bowl is special
I hope to see USC and Ohio State int he Rose Bowl, they havent met in the Rose Bowl in 22 years and with a home and home coming up, a good Rose Bowl will make the teams more familliar with one another

Is that why USC claims each Rose Bowl victory as a national championship? Even if it is 65 years after the fact?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

King Crimson wrote:i don't get the Big 10 fascination with the Rose Bowl.

why get excited to go play essentially a road game against the Pac 10 which rarely in the last 30 years meant much in terms of the MNC/pre-BCS picture.

maybe i overstep, but i'd like to see a list of National Champs that came out of the Granddady since 1970.

From 1970 to the initiation of the BCS . . .

USC had a split national championship in '79 (split with Alabama)
Michigan had a split national championship in '97 (split with Nebraska)

In the interest of consistency and clarification, the Michigan split title was in the '98 Rose Bowl, not 1997. The USC split you mention was after the 1978 season, in the '79 Rose Bowl.

Miami (FL) after the 2001 season. Texas in 2005. Yeah, I know, not traditional Rose conferences.


Others: USC in 1972, USC (split in 1974, 2003), Washington (split in 1991).

Goober McTuber wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

King Crimson wrote:i don't get the Big 10 fascination with the Rose Bowl.

why get excited to go play essentially a road game against the Pac 10 which rarely in the last 30 years meant much in terms of the MNC/pre-BCS picture.

maybe i overstep, but i'd like to see a list of National Champs that came out of the Granddady since 1970.

From 1970 to the initiation of the BCS . . .

USC had a split national championship in '79 (split with Alabama)
Michigan had a split national championship in '97 (split with Nebraska)

In the interest of consistency and clarification, the Michigan split title was in the '98 Rose Bowl, not 1997. The USC split you mention was after the 1978 season, in the '79 Rose Bowl.

Miami (FL) after the 2001 season. Texas in 2005. Yeah, I know, not traditional Rose conferences.


Others: USC in 1972, USC (split in 1974, 2003), Washington (split in 1991).

Yeah, I knew about Michigan. My bad on USC, I knew Alabama had won back-to-back in the late 70's, and I had the wrong year they split. Good call on Washington in the '91 season, I forgot about that.

Since 1970, virtually all of the pre-BCS national champions to come out of the Rose were split national champions, though. So the insular nature of the Rose Bowl may have actually been something of a detriment to those teams.

Yep. USC and Alabama were co-national champs in 1978. USC beat Alabama that year in Alabama.

The BCS has taken the luster off the bowls. Back in the day, you won your conference (Big 10) and you went to the Rose. Lost and that was it, home for the holidays. The thought with the BCS was to keep the bowl traditions alive and have 1 vs 2, thats worked about half the time and the tradition is all but gone........



They might as well shitcan some of these OOC games and start some kind of playoff............


Hey, anybody remember the late great Kurt Goudy doing the game with Al D. Classic...............................

the orange bowl used to be the NC for big8 schools. You went there with pride and winning it meant a ton for your program and the conference.

nightmare scenario for an osu fan? uh, lloyd carr's not coming back. deal with it.

M Club wrote:nightmare scenario for an osu fan? uh, lloyd carr's not coming back. deal with it.

trueism.

I used to love the Rose bowl but since the BCS came about, it isn't nearly what it used to be (save a scenario where the NC game is the Rose Bowl game and it has a Big10 team).

Now, all I want is the NC game. Sure a non-NC BCS game is awesome but I think the goal is always the NC game. I heard it time and again from the Buckeye players after the Illinois loss--they were happy to be going to the Rose Bowl but it was a let down compared to the Sugar.

I think it comes down to the simple fact that the BCS, despite its stated purpose, has watered down the majesty of the bowls.