Match your views to a 2008 Presidential candidate

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:50 pm

I am posting this link.

http://selectsmart.com/president/2008.html

Make sure you indicate the priority that you place on each issue. There are 26 questions

This selector features over two dozen names of announced candidates and politicians considered by pundits to be possible White House contenders. You may select a position for every issue, or just select those issues important to you. The candidates' positions are based upon their voting records, special interest group ratings and the candidates' statements in the public record. In cases where a would-be president has no known public record or statement on an issue, they are not given a score, which tends to reward candidates who take stands on more issues. Also candidates for president who take consistent and stronger stands tend to get higher scores. All the candidates and/or their staffs were written to and given an opportunity to clarify or correct their views as characterized here.

In other words, you answer the questions and it matches you to a candidate.
At the end just skip over the STUPID ADS and CLICK GO RIGHT TO RESULTS to
find your candidate.

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These are my results.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Rudolph Giuliani (63%)
3. Alan Keyes (56%)
4. Tom Tancredo (55%)
5. John McCain (55%)
6. Mitt Romney (55%)
7. Duncan Hunter (52%)
8. Ron Paul (51%)
9. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (47%)
10. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (46%)

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I call myself an independent conservative with social concerns. I guess that is how Colbert got into the list!!

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If you know of other Candidate-issue matching threads, I'd appreciate the links.

Good Luck and Good Voting!!

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:37 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (83%) Information link
3. Tom Tancredo (80%) Information link
4. Alan Keyes (78%) Information link
5. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (75%) Information link
6. Chuck Hagel (not running) (71%) Information link
7. Ron Paul (64%) Information link
8. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (62%) Information link
9. Mitt Romney (60%) Information link
10. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (59%) Information link
11. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (58%) Information link
12. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (56%) Information link
13. Fred Thompson (52%) Information link
14. John McCain (50%) Information link
15. Rudolph Giuliani (46%) Information link
16. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (41%) Information link
17. Christopher Dodd (39%) Information link
18. Hillary Clinton (35%) Information link
19. Mike Huckabee (35%) Information link
20. Bill Richardson (34%) Information link
21. Mike Gravel (34%) Information link
22. Joseph Biden (32%) Information link
23. John Edwards (32%) Information link
24. Al Gore (not announced) (29%) Information link
25. Dennis Kucinich (26%) Information link
26. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (25%) Information link
27. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (22%) Information link
28. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (22%) Information link
29. Barack Obama (22%) Information link
30. Elaine Brown (18%)

Why the fuck include jackholes who aren't even fucking running? And Alan Keys ain't fucking running no matter what Alan Keys might think.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:56 am

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Ron Paul (79%) Information link
3. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (76%) Information link
4. Alan Keyes (65%) Information link
5. Tom Tancredo (61%) Information link
6. Duncan Hunter (56%) Information link
7. Dennis Kucinich (50%) Information link
8. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (50%) Information link
9. Barack Obama (47%) Information link
10. Christopher Dodd (46%) Information link
11. Mike Gravel (45%) Information link
12. Bill Richardson (43%) Information link
13. Chuck Hagel (not running) (43%) Information link
14. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (43%) Information link
15. Al Gore (not announced) (42%) Information link
16. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (42%) Information link
17. John Edwards (41%) Information link
18. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (40%) Information link
19. Joseph Biden (38%) Information link
20. Mitt Romney (38%) Information link
21. Hillary Clinton (38%) Information link
22. John McCain (37%) Information link
23. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (37%) Information link
24. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (35%) Information link
25. Fred Thompson (28%) Information link
26. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (28%) Information link
27. Mike Huckabee (28%) Information link
28. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (27%) Information link
29. Rudolph Giuliani (23%) Information link
30. Elaine Brown (19%) Information link

RACK real conservatives.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:05 am

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (84%) Information link
3. Barack Obama (83%) Information link
4. Dennis Kucinich (80%) Information link
5. John Edwards (77%) Information link
6. Christopher Dodd (75%) Information link
7. Joseph Biden (75%) Information link
8. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (75%) Information link
9. Al Gore (not announced) (74%) Information link
10. Bill Richardson (74%) Information link
11. Hillary Clinton (72%) Information link
12. Mike Gravel (71%) Information link
13. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (63%) Information link
14. Ron Paul (57%) Information link
15. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (48%) Information link
16. Elaine Brown (44%) Information link
17. Mike Huckabee (34%) Information link
18. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (28%) Information link
19. John McCain (27%) Information link
20. Alan Keyes (25%) Information link
21. Tom Tancredo (20%) Information link
22. Mitt Romney (20%) Information link
23. Chuck Hagel (not running) (18%) Information link
24. Rudolph Giuliani (18%) Information link
25. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (17%) Information link
26. Duncan Hunter (15%) Information link
27. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (15%) Information link
28. Fred Thompson (12%) Information link
29. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (11%) Information link
30. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn)

That's about what I might have expected.

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:30 am

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Dennis Kucinich (78%) Information link
3. Barack Obama (77%) Information link
4. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (71%) Information link
5. Christopher Dodd (67%) Information link
6. Joseph Biden (66%) Information link
7. Hillary Clinton (64%) Information link
8. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (64%) Information link
9. John Edwards (63%) Information link
10. Al Gore (not announced) (63%) Information link
11. Mike Gravel (57%) Information link
12. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (57%) Information link
13. Bill Richardson (52%) Information link
14. Ron Paul (45%) Information link
15. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (43%) Information link
16. Elaine Brown (37%) Information link
17. Mike Huckabee (32%) Information link
18. Rudolph Giuliani (27%) Information link
19. John McCain (26%) Information link
20. Alan Keyes (20%) Information link
21. Chuck Hagel (not running) (18%) Information link
22. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (18%) Information link
23. Mitt Romney (16%) Information link
24. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (15%) Information link
25. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (14%) Information link
26. Fred Thompson (12%) Information link
27. Tom Tancredo (10%) Information link
28. Duncan Hunter (10%) Information link
29. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (9%) Information link
30. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (4%) Information link

Suprised on two fronts:

1. I was surprised that Edwards was so low. I'm still voting for him ahead of Hillary, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich or Obama, though.

2. I'm surprised Colbert finished dead last. I'd vote for him ahead of any of the declared Republican candidates, if it came down to that.

General problems with the survey:

1. Most questions had only two choices and "neither."

2. Maybe I was doing something wrong, but I couldn't do any gradation with respect to priority of issues, other than low, medium or high.

Perhaps if these matters were fixed, the results would've been more in tune with what I expected.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:43 pm

Not too surprising. I agree 100% with my theoretical ideal candidate.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (89%) Information link
3. Dennis Kucinich (89%) Information link
4. Christopher Dodd (81%) Information link
5. Hillary Clinton (80%) Information link
6. Al Gore (not announced) (79%) Information link
7. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (79%) Information link
8. Joseph Biden (78%) Information link
9. John Edwards (77%) Information link
10. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (76%) Information link
11. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (70%) Information link
12. Mike Gravel (70%) Information link
13. Bill Richardson (63%) Information link
14. Ron Paul (53%) Information link
15. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (49%) Information link
16. Elaine Brown (43%) Information link
17. Rudolph Giuliani (37%) Information link
18. John McCain (30%) Information link
19. Mike Huckabee (28%) Information link
20. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (28%) Information link
21. Alan Keyes (28%) Information link
22. Mitt Romney (25%) Information link
23. Tom Tancredo (21%) Information link
24. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (17%) Information link
25. Chuck Hagel (not running) (17%) Information link
26. Duncan Hunter (16%) Information link
27. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (12%) Information link
28. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (11%) Information link
29. Fred Thompson (10%) Information link
30. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (5%) Information link

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:54 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
2. I'm surprised Colbert finished dead last. I'd vote for him ahead of any of the declared Republican candidates, if it came down to that.

Did you do the candidate comparison and look at Colbert's stated positions? Don't forget that his views as a candidate are ultra-conservative.

http://selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.html

Some exerpts:

Supported invading Iraq. He supported it even before President George W. Bush suggested it

"I believe the government that governs best is the government that governs least. And by these standards, we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq." Source

Security/liberties: Stephen [Colbert] supports wiretapping so much that he wiretaps every crew member working the Colbert Report.

"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

Social Security: Opposes social security and retirement. Believes that if old people can bridge they can works as typists.

Same sex issues: Interviewed on NBC's Meet The Press by Tim Russert:
COLBERT: Marriage is the basic building block of society. And if gay men get married, that threatens my marriage immediately because I only got married as a taunt toward gay men because they couldn’t.

the economy we make the [deficit] problem smaller, we'll grow our way out of this.". Source

Business & labor issues: He has frequently expressed his admiration for business and corporations and his disdain for labor unions

Tax issues: Following the Democratic victory in the 2006 Midterm Elections, an emotional Colbert lamented: "Tomorrow you're all going to wake up in a brave new world...[w]here tax-and-spend Democrats take all your hard-earned money and use it to buy electric cars for National Public Radio, and teach evolution to illegal immigrants. Oh, and everybody's high! You know what, I've had it! You people don't deserve a Republican majority! I quit!"

Abortion issues: Opposes To author Ramesh Ponnuru on the title of his book: "[Y]ou've got a catchy little slogan here: The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for Human Life. I'm 100% behind you here. Democrats are the Party of Death."

Capital punishment: Favors it. He believes that the death penalty is deterent, noting that it has stopped him from killing people.

Gun control: Opposes. "What's the most absurd thing about gun regulations? Gun registry? 72 hour waiting period? Trigger locks? What part of that is most laughable?"

Minimum wage: "Subject is minimum wage. I'm against it."

Health care: Opposes any sort of government funded healthcare. "If we really care for our kids, we should deny them health insurance now to immunize them against expecting it as adults.

Prescription drugs: Opposes any efforts to reduce the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. "That's why it's called the medical business". "It's free market economy."

Environmental issues: Is supportive of the Bush White House in regards to the environment.

Immigration issues: Suggested "Southsourcing", moving American farms into Mexico which would allow employers to pay farm workers $11 dollars a day instead of $7 an hours. He also recommends relocating American houses, restaraunts, big box stores and jobs and life in general into Mexico. Colbert opines, that would cause would-be illegal immigrants to go to where the jobs are...Mexico.

trev · Post by **trev** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:07 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (78%) Information link
3. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (78%) Information link
4. Alan Keyes (70%) Information link
5. Chuck Hagel (not running) (70%) Information link
6. Tom Tancredo (69%) Information link
7. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (61%) Information link
8. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (59%) Information link
9. Mitt Romney (59%) Information link
10. Fred Thompson (58%) Information link
11. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (55%) Information link
12. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (55%) Information link
13. John McCain (54%) Information link
14. Rudolph Giuliani (52%) Information link
15. Mike Huckabee (51%) Information link
16. Ron Paul (48%) Information link
17. Joseph Biden (42%) Information link
18. Al Gore (not announced) (41%) Information link
19. John Edwards (41%) Information link
20. Bill Richardson (41%) Information link
21. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (40%) Information link
22. Hillary Clinton (40%) Information link
23. Christopher Dodd (38%) Information link
24. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (37%) Information link
25. Mike Gravel (37%) Information link
26. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (36%) Information link
27. Barack Obama (31%) Information link
28. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (29%) Information link
29. Dennis Kucinich (20%) Information link
30. Elaine Brown (11%) Information link

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:16 pm

Interesting that posters who lean Democratic appear to agree with their candidates positions far more often than GOP leaning posters do with the leading GOP candidates. That cannot possibly auger well for the GOP next year.

Solo · Post by **Solo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:09 am

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Tom Tancredo (79%) Information link
3. Duncan Hunter (69%) Information link
4. Alan Keyes (68%) Information link
5. Ron Paul (65%) Information link
6. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (63%) Information link
7. Mitt Romney (63%) Information link
8. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (62%) Information link
9. Chuck Hagel (not running) (56%) Information link
10. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (53%) Information link
11. Fred Thompson (51%) Information link
12. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (50%) Information link
13. Rudolph Giuliani (50%) Information link
14. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (49%) Information link
15. John McCain (48%) Information link
16. Christopher Dodd (45%) Information link
17. John Edwards (44%) Information link
18. Bill Richardson (44%) Information link
19. Mike Gravel (41%) Information link
20. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (41%) Information link
21. Barack Obama (39%) Information link
22. Mike Huckabee (39%) Information link
23. Al Gore (not announced) (36%) Information link
24. Hillary Clinton (34%) Information link
25. Joseph Biden (31%) Information link
26. Dennis Kucinich (30%) Information link
27. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (29%) Information link
28. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (27%) Information link
29. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (18%) Information link
30. Elaine Brown (11%) Information link

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:31 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Alan Keyes (76%) Information link
3. Duncan Hunter (68%) Information link
4. Ron Paul (67%) Information link
5. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (67%) Information link
6. Tom Tancredo (61%) Information link
7. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (58%) Information link
8. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (57%) Information link
9. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (56%) Information link
10. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (54%) Information link
11. Chuck Hagel (not running) (53%) Information link
12. Mike Gravel (50%) Information link
13. Mitt Romney (47%) Information link
14. John McCain (47%) Information link
15. Fred Thompson (46%) Information link
16. Dennis Kucinich (43%) Information link
17. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (41%) Information link
18. Christopher Dodd (39%) Information link
19. Mike Huckabee (35%) Information link
20. Rudolph Giuliani (32%) Information link
21. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (31%) Information link
22. Joseph Biden (30%) Information link
23. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (28%) Information link
24. Hillary Clinton (26%) Information link
25. Bill Richardson (22%) Information link
26. Barack Obama (21%) Information link
27. John Edwards (21%) Information link
28. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (18%) Information link
29. Elaine Brown (17%) Information link
30. Al Gore (not announced) (17%) Information link

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:33 pm

Mikey wrote: Supported invading Iraq. He supported it even before President George W. Bush suggested it

lmao

Who Bill Clinton ?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:37 pm

Good to see you back, Tom.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:47 pm

Martyred wrote:Good to see you back, Tom.

How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:58 pm

BSmack wrote:
Martyred wrote:Good to see you back, Tom.
How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.

Or how soon he's going back.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:06 pm

BSmack wrote:
Martyred wrote:Good to see you back, Tom.
How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.

Aww how nice of you thinking of me B. Here's a gift for you.

Try imagining being with the woman too, will ya ?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:29 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Mikey wrote: Supported invading Iraq. He supported it even before President George W. Bush suggested it

lmao

Who Bill Clinton ?

Stephen Colbert.

upstart · Post by **upstart** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:46 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (95%) Information link
3. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (91%) Information link
4. Tom Tancredo (90%) Information link
5. Alan Keyes (84%) Information link
6. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (75%) Information link
7. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (74%) Information link
8. Mitt Romney (74%) Information link
9. Chuck Hagel (not running) (72%) Information link
10. Fred Thompson (63%) Information link
11. Newt Gingrich

upstart · Post by **upstart** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:49 pm

BSmack wrote:
Martyred wrote:Good to see you back, Tom.
How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.

Where you always a cunt ?

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:28 pm

BSmack wrote:Interesting that posters who lean Democratic appear to agree with their candidates positions far more often than GOP leaning posters do with the leading GOP candidates. That cannot possibly auger well for the GOP next year.

Interesting that we GOP leaning posters have more independant positions than those sheep that tend to lean to the Left.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:48 pm

upstart wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Martyred wrote:Good to see you back, Tom.
How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.
Where you always a cunt ?

For about as long as you were an English major.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:54 pm

trev wrote:
BSmack wrote:Interesting that posters who lean Democratic appear to agree with their candidates positions far more often than GOP leaning posters do with the leading GOP candidates. That cannot possibly auger well for the GOP next year.
Interesting that we GOP leaning posters have more independant positions than those sheep that tend to lean to the Left.

Give me a fucking break Trev. Your candidates have been blowing smoke up the base of your party's ass for 30 years on issues like abortion, gun control, immigration, religion in public schools, school vouchers etc. Sure, they never really meant to DO anything substantive on those issues. But at least they made the effort during campaign season to give your party's base voters a little reach around. This year, it looks like they've decided to dispense with the niceties and tell your party's base to go fuck themselves. Tell me how that's a good thing for conservatives?

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:53 pm

We'll see what happens. I'll vote for the candidate I think will do the best job with the views I feel are most important to me. My vote's not going to matter much since I live in Cal-eee-forn-ia. By the way, I'm predicting another Republican gains office again. I know that pisses you off so bad. You know it's going to happen.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:30 pm

2. I'm surprised Colbert finished dead last. I'd vote for him ahead of any of the declared Republican candidates, if it came down to that

On the question of what type of candidate (Governor, legislator, lawyer, etc.) would you support, did you mark journalist/commemtator/whatever?

That might explain it. Or not.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:33 pm

And for the record, props to Steven C. for being so far inside the Dem's domes they banned him from the ballot in S.C.

Of course with this field, he just might have won.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (88%) Information link
3. Chuck Hagel (not running) (81%) Information link
4. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (81%) Information link
5. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain) (81%) Information link
6. John McCain (80%) Information link
7. Fred Thompson (79%) Information link
8. Duncan Hunter (78%) Information link
9. Mitt Romney (74%) Information link
10. Alan Keyes (72%) Information link
11. Tom Tancredo (72%) Information link
12. Rudolph Giuliani (72%) Information link
13. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (65%) Information link
14. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (61%) Information link
15. Ron Paul (52%) Information link
16. Mike Huckabee (50%) Information link
17. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (43%) Information link
18. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (34%) Information link
19. Al Gore (not announced) (30%) Information link
20. Christopher Dodd (26%) Information link
21. Joseph Biden (25%) Information link
22. Bill Richardson (24%) Information link
23. John Edwards (23%) Information link
24. Hillary Clinton (23%) Information link
25. Mike Gravel (21%) Information link
26. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (21%) Information link
27. Barack Obama (15%) Information link
28. Dennis Kucinich (9%) Information link
29. Elaine Brown (5%) Information link
30. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (4%) Information link

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:21 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Aww how nice of you thinking of me B. Here's a gift for you.

Try imagining being with the woman too, will ya ?

She looks more like Raider James' type. But I'd ride that shit like the Dome Ranger anyway.

upstart · Post by **upstart** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:04 am

BSmack wrote:
upstart wrote:
BSmack wrote: How thoughtless of you Marty. You didn't even ask him how his tour in Iraq went.
Where you always a cunt ?
For about as long as you were an English major.

Less colloquially put, I am asserting that the road you are following goes only one place.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:21 pm

upstart wrote:Less colloquially put, I am asserting that the road you are following goes only one place.

So when did you serve President Chimpy's war machine?

upstart · Post by **upstart** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:32 pm

BSmack wrote:
upstart wrote:Less colloquially put, I am asserting that the road you are following goes only one place.
So when did you serve President Chimpy's war machine?

I was a professional Soldier,I know nothing of "Chimpy's war machine".Would you care to elaborate on that definition,I'm all ears.

RumpleForeskin · Post by **RumpleForeskin** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:17 am

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Al Gore (not announced) (58%)
3. Tom Tancredo (56%)
4. Alan Keyes (55%)
5. Bill Richardson (54%)
6. Tommy Thompson (54%)
7. Duncan Hunter (54%)
8. Ron Paul (53%)
9. Stephen Colbert (53%)
10. Wesley Clark (53%)
11. Barack Obama (53%)
12. Hillary Clinton (51%)
13. Joseph Biden (51%)
14. John Edwards (50%)
15. John McCain (50%)
16. Mike Huckabee (48%)
17. Michael Bloomberg (46%)
18. Chuck Hagel (46%)
19. Mitt Romney (46%)
20. Sam Brownback (44%)

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:50 pm

RumpleForeskin wrote:
2. Al Gore (not announced) (58%)

Did you just answer every question with "I hate having money"?

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:01 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (69%)
3. Ron Paul (63%)
4. Tom Tancredo (61%)
5. Mitt Romney (60%)
6. John McCain (59%)
7. Alan Keyes (58%)
8. Duncan Hunter (56%)
9. Sam Brownback (withdrawn, endorsed McCain)
10. Stephen Colbert (campaign ended) (52%)
11. Chuck Hagel (not running) (50%)
12. Fred Thompson (50%)
13. Bill Richardson (46%)
14. Rudolph Giuliani (46%)
15. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (46%)
16. Barack Obama (45%)
17. Mike Huckabee (42%) <=actually 0%, since the fucknut is a creationist
18. Al Gore (not announced) (41%)
19. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (41%)
20. Dennis Kucinich (41%)
21. Christopher Dodd (40%)
22. John Edwards (40%)
23. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (39%)
24. Newt Gingrich (says he will not run) (38%)
25. Hillary Clinton (38%)
26. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn, endorsed Giuliani) (38%)
27. Joseph Biden (34%)
28. Mike Gravel (31%)
29. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (30%)
30. Elaine Brown (14%)

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:30 am

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:actually 0%, since the fucknut is a creationist

And Romney isn't?

Just when I thought Bush was the worst possible presidential candidate in history, they might have topped it.

What is wrong with you people?

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:44 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:actually 0%, since the fucknut is a creationist

And Romney isn't?

I don't know yet. I haven't read any media reports in which Romney openly states that he believes that the Earth is only 6,000 years old or doubting whether or not he's descended from/is a primate. Huckabee, however, IS on record with the aforementioned statements.

Any idiot who buys into the intellectually idiocy of creationism (or its "stealth" form, intelligent design) has no business running ANY country or deciding national policies/priorities (especially in science). Going on public record with one's scientific stupidity doesn't make Huckabee sincere, it makes him a braying ass .

I have no idea at this point of how seriously Romney takes the fairy tale concocted by Joseph Smith and his fellow scam artists. Not all mainstream Christians buy into the literal statements of the Bible, so I'm not going to assume that Romney does with the BoM...until he states otherwise.

Oh, and for the record, I have no intention of voting for Romney either.

I only made the point of mentioning my position on Huckabee because I had just read an article mentioning Huckabee's creationist quotes.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:34 pm

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:I have no idea at this point of how seriously Romney takes the fairy tale concocted by Joseph Smith and his fellow scam artists. Not all mainstream Christians buy into the literal statements of the Bible, so I'm not going to assume that Romney does with the BoM...until he states otherwise.

I'm sure Romney has changed his position on the BoM at least 3 or 4 times by now.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:01 pm

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Ron Paul (67%) Information link
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4. Christopher Dodd (59%) Information link
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weird, I never saw myself being of the Ron Paul ilk......

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:08 pm

Felix wrote:weird, I never saw myself being of the Ron Paul ilk......

There's two kinds of people in this country -- Ron Paul supporters, and socialists.

Props on not being a thief.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:21 pm

BTW -- what happened the last time a Mormon ran for president?

Oh.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm

I don't know as much about Paul as I'd like, but his position on immigration reform mirrors mine....

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

5.End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.

6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

I'd vote for him based simply on this position.....

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:31 pm

Bro...

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

But exercise caution when you read the Dr.'s positions... you're not used to this level of common sense, and it might be possible to overdose if you soak up too much too soon.

But that part where he wants you to keep your money rather than put it in a porkbarrel is pretty fresh.