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Ya' know, I've never been that crazy about Turley, but this act sorta' speaks for itself. Then again, maybe he's really only looking out for his best long term interest. Either way, this is a good and right thing and I hope many other players join in. Maybe they could start doing this at least once each season.

When I think of a player like Mike Webster who died homeless and with no where to turn for the help that he needed, that just makes me sad.

I 2nd that RACK of Kyle Turley.

ZERO racks to Gene Upshaw....HE'S the reason why the former players are getting FUCKED on their long-term health care needs. The second Upshaw gets removed from his high horse then things will start to get better for them.

War Wagon wrote:When I think of a player like Mike Webster who died homeless and with no where to turn for the help that he needed, that just makes me sad.

In reading what Wikipedia says about Mike Webster, one sees this .....

He is believed to have been legally disabled in 1996, and possibly before, suffering from amnesia, dementia, depression, and acute bone and muscle pain. He lived out of his pickup truck or train stations between Wisconsin and Pittsburgh even though he had friends and former teammates willing to rent apartments for him.

While widely believed to have used them, Webster never admitted to using anabolic steroids at points during his career. He did state, however, that if he did take steroids, "they were legal at the time".


He played, what 14 or 15 years in the NFL?
Sure, money then wasn't close to what it is now, but he must have made a fair amount of coin over that 14 or 15 year period of cashing checks.
What did he do with his money?

I hear that the NFL pension and retirement package is woeful, BUT ...... isn't there also some personal accountability that needs to be considered?
And hey, if you don't like getting banged and busted up playing pro ball, get out while you're healthy.

Nobody held a gun to his head and MADE him 'roid up and play center for 15 years.

I saw Mike Webster regularly my freshman year at UW because we ate at the same residence halls cafeteria. He seemed like quite an asshole back then.

Goober McTuber wrote:I saw Mike Webster regularly my freshman year at UW because we ate at the same residence halls cafeteria. He seemed like quite an asshole back then.

He was a competitive guy....he was simply trying to be a BIGGER asshole than you are.

RevLimiter wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I saw Mike Webster regularly my freshman year at UW because we ate at the same residence halls cafeteria. He seemed like quite an asshole back then.

He was a competitive guy....he was simply trying to be a BIGGER asshole than you are.

Not a fucking chance in HELL, tubby.

Goober McTuber wrote:

RevLimiter wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I saw Mike Webster regularly my freshman year at UW because we ate at the same residence halls cafeteria. He seemed like quite an asshole back then.

He was a competitive guy....he was simply trying to be a BIGGER asshole than you are.

Not a fucking chance in HELL, tubby.

Besides, goober is more of a pussy.

Goober McTuber wrote:

RevLimiter wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I saw Mike Webster regularly my freshman year at UW because we ate at the same residence halls cafeteria. He seemed like quite an asshole back then.

He was a competitive guy....he was simply trying to be a BIGGER asshole than you are.

Not a fucking chance in HELL, tubby.

Tell us something we DON'T know...and thanks for KYOA.

RevLimiter wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

RevLimiter wrote: He was a competitive guy....he was simply trying to be a BIGGER asshole than you are.

Not a fucking chance in HELL, tubby.

Tell us something we DON'T know...and thanks for KYOA.

I come here trying to be as much of an asshole as possible. You agree that I’ve accomplished my mission. And that’s kicking my own ass? Do you still not understand why EVERYBODY here, including your KC brethren, considers you to be such a complete TOOL?

Don't these 'tards need their own forum or something?

I believe everyone’s waiting for you to run them, pops.

poptart wrote:isn't there also some personal accountability that needs to be considered?

We've passed laws against that in the USA, actually.


Regardless how his salary adjusts for inflation, dude made a lot more than the national average at the time(for working about half the year).


They have these things called IRAs, and mutual funds, and all sorts of options.


But screw that personal responsibility shit -- it's much more MANLY to whine about how your employer of 20 years ago owes you, even though you were paid several times the national average.

Dinsdale wrote:But screw that personal responsibility shit -- it's much more MANLY to whine about how your employer of 20 years ago owes you, even though you were paid several times the national average.

Do you seriously think someone in Mike Webster's obvious state of diminished capacity would have been capable of setting up an IRA?

BSmack wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:But screw that personal responsibility shit -- it's much more MANLY to whine about how your employer of 20 years ago owes you, even though you were paid several times the national average.

Do you seriously think someone in Mike Webster's obvious state of diminished capacity would have been capable of setting up an IRA?

He probably wasn't in such a state at the time he should have been setting up his retirement.

poptart wrote: I hear that the NFL pension and retirement package is woeful, BUT ...... isn't there also some personal accountability that needs to be considered?

Sure there is, 'tart.

But I didn't start this topic to debate over whether the league or the NFLPA owes or should do more for retired players in dire cirscumstances. We've pretty much beat that topic into the ground already. I can see both sides in the issue, and quite frankly, who am I to judge who's right or wrong?

All I'm saying is that current players who want to step forward on their own and do something meaningful (like donating part of their game check) to help should be lauded for that effort.

Simple as that. I don't even care what their motives are.

Mikey wrote:He probably wasn't in such a state at the time he should have been setting up his retirement.

Fuck that personal responsibility shit. Let Socialism rule the day!!!!


Hmmm... dude takes a high-paying job with a well-proven track record of short careers. He decides to not save or invest any of his income for the inevitable day that the high level of income will cease.


Yeah, I'm going to lose a bunch of sleep over this, for sure. Maybe they should raise my taxes to provide for people who weren't smart enough to do any planning... I mean, at least dude is a legal resident of this country.


I will RACJ Turley for proving that private citizens will ALWAYS provide a better, more efficient solution to help their fellow man than the government can on its best day.... a system that worked quite successfully in this country for the better part of 200 years. Just think how much more generous Turley and his ilk could be if the government didn't take half their money in the name of socialism?

Mikey wrote: He probably wasn't in such a state at the time he should have been setting up his retirement.

That may well be, but at the same time, I'm sure he couldn't foresee what was about to befall him. At that time, he probably thought he was invincible.

And fellas, Mike Webster is just one example among many. Every former player now in need has a unique story of how they got into the situation they're in.

I'm just saying that they be should be showed some compassion, not just swept under the carpet and ignored. The NFL is a billion $$$ per year industry, and it's a shame that they can't find more ways to help those who helped get it to this level.

Dinsdale wrote:

poptart wrote:isn't there also some personal accountability that needs to be considered?

We've passed laws against that in the USA, actually.


Regardless how his salary adjusts for inflation, dude made a lot more than the national average at the time(for working about half the year).


They have these things called IRAs, and mutual funds, and all sorts of options.


But screw that personal responsibility shit -- it's much more MANLY to whine about how your employer of 20 years ago owes you, even though you were paid several times the national average.

Can't these guys just fall back on their college education they received and find high paying jobs?


props to Turley.

Dinsdale wrote:Fuck that personal responsibility shit. Let Socialism rule the day!!!!

This guy is a socialist?