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I then asked Zimmerman about the upcoming Pro Football Hall of Fame selection meeting, which is on the day before the Super Bowl. Zimmerman is one of the selectors, and he recently changed his mind about former Redskins receiver Art Monk, saying that after years of being the most vocal opponent of Monk's enshrinement, he will now vote for Monk. So what changed his mind?

"I figured, just put him the f--- in already," Zimmerman told me. "I'm tired of being the a--hole."



This is the most glaring ommission from the Hall of Fame. It's embarrassing for the NFL to have this void from Canton.

Here are a couple quotes to digest:

Ronnie Lott: "Art Monk was an example for Jerry Rice. That's what Jerry always told me."

Bill Parcells: "Monk is headed to Canton downhill on roller skates"

Bill Belichick, 1990 as D-coordinator of the Giants: "Monk is one of the best receivers I've ever seen. I wish he would retire already."

Who do you think knows more about football? Lott/Rice/Parcells/Belichick, or Dr. Z and Peter King?


I have yet to hear a former player or coach or even a fan of a rival team say that he doesn't belong. So who are these people who keep voting against him? Some pussy writers who got their feelings hurt some time ago because Monk wouldn't talk to them.

mvscal wrote:I never get tired of being an asshole.

Sig material. Kind of like KFC Paul posting "I never get tired of being a FAT fucking RETARD", but sig material nonetheless.

mvscal wrote:He was never the focal point of his own offense let alone a dominating player at his position. He averaged a whopping 4.25 touchdowns per year over 16 years.

I love how that argument ONLY applies to Art Monk, yet for some reason it doesn't apply to these receivers: your boy Charlie Joiner (Hall of Famer), or Lynn Swann (Hall of Famer) or John Stallworth (Hall of Famer) or James Lofton (Hall of Famer), Fred Belitnikof (Hall of Famer), etc.

Monk was a chain-mover, dominated in playoff games, redefined the position of wide receiver and was an outstanding blocker.

You can nitpick any clear Hall of Famer. It's like looking at Ozzie Smith and saying "well, he wasn't that great of a hitter" when you know that he was one of the best players at his position during his era.

So let's nitpick with Steve Largent while we're at it. "Well, he never went to a Super Bowl, so that's hardly Hall of Fame stuff."

Basically if you are of the belief that Art Monk is not worthy of the Hall of Fame, you have no place in the conversation because you're a complete moron who knows nothing about football.

mvscal wrote:

DamnTheCowboys wrote: redefined the position of wide receiver

What a load of bullshit. Specific examples or go fuck yourself, dimwit.

Rice modelling his game after Monk not enough for you? The fact that after him and towards the end of his career you started to see other tall receivers who made clutch catches in traffic coming into the league? (Irvin, Sharpe, Carter, etc.) And way to conveniently skip over my other points.

You're a buffoon.

mvscal doesn't believe anything he is saying right now. Its just his ass-hole MO. One day, he will get tired of being the a-hole and agree with the likes of everyone here. Count on it.

So one could presume Tim Brown is out too?

RJ and Pt will be in shortly.

RumpleForeskin wrote:So one could presume Tim Brown is out too?

RJ and Pt will be in shortly.

Both Brown and Rice hung around for a long time and compiled numbers. Just because there are less deserving receivers in the Hall doesn't mean those two should be in.

DamnTheCowboys wrote:So who are these people who keep voting against him?

The same ones who're keeping Derrick Thomas out.

Oh, so sorry, but there's no precedent for inducting falconbacks into the Hall.

While he may indeed be the greatest falconback of all time, we don't really have any other falconbacks to compare him to.

No soup for you, falconback.

Yes, I'm biased, but I think Reed should get in before Monk.

Goober McTuber wrote:

mvscal wrote:I never get tired of being an asshole.

Sig material. Kind of like KFC Paul posting "I never get tired of being Goobs' master", but sig material nonetheless.

FTFY....dipshit.

DamnTheCowboys wrote: Basically if you are of the belief that Art Monk is not worthy of the Hall of Fame, you have no place in the conversation because you're a complete moron who knows nothing about football.

mvscal wrote:Another one dimensional slappy.

If you mean like Roids Merriman, then I agree. Otherwise STFU.

mvscal wrote:Merriman is a complete outside linebacker.

Oh.


Then why don't you be so kind as to post up his tackling stats to confirm what a deadly run-stopper he is...


Oh. Nevermind.

Not particularly effective against the run, and absolutely horrific in pass coverage. Excellent pass rusher, though.

So in other words... he's a falconback. He's possibly one of Thomas' illegitimate children, they're so similar.

mvscal wrote:Wrong. Merriman is a complete outside linebacker.

Thomas wasn't even a linebacker. He was a pass rushing specialist or "falconback" who was a liability against the run and was totally lost in coverage.

Bullshit- RoidBoy couldn't cover a good TE (like Tony G.) if his life depended on it.

You're right about one thing with DT- he WAS a pass-rushing specialist, BUT he got progressively better and better over the course of his career at pass coverage AND against the run. His sack, QB pressures, and forced fumble #s speak for themselves for his admittance to the HOF.

the NFL HoF will not be significant/up to date until these inductions happen:

1. Ray Guy
1a. Art Monk

i've been on these boards for 8 years...and we've had the same yadda about it.

Game Changers.

They ARE....PUT THEM IN.

Qbert wrote:the NFL HoF will not be significant/up to date until these inductions happen:

1. Ray Guy
1a. Art Monk

i've been on these boards for 8 years...and we've had the same yadda about it.

Game Changers.

They ARE....PUT THEM IN.

Sincerely,



P.S.- RACK!

mvscal wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

mvscal wrote:Merriman is a complete outside linebacker.

Oh.


Then why don't you be so kind as to post up his tackling stats to confirm what a deadly run-stopper he is....


Oh. Nevermind.

Not particularly effective against the run, and absolutely horrific in pass coverage. Excellent pass rusher, though.

So in other words... he's a falconback. He's possibly one of Thomas' illegitimate children, they're so similar.

Check back in someday after you've actually watched a football game, fuckwit.

Nice response- you REALLY refuted his explanation of RoidBoy by CALLING HIM NAMES. When you reach puberty, check back in with the rest of us.

RevLimiter wrote:

mvscal wrote:Check back in someday after you've actually watched a football game, fuckwit.

Nice response- you REALLY refuted his explanation of RoidBoy by CALLING HIM NAMES. When you reach puberty, check back in with the rest of us.

Shocking! On a smack board?

I'm still waiting on those tackling numbers... if you need help finding them, scroll wayyyy down the list of linebackers... like wayyyyy down, and you'll find them.

Although I do believe he was the taclking leader among falconbacks.

Dinsdale wrote:I'm still waiting on those tackling numbers... if you need help finding them, scroll wayyyy down the list of linebackers... like wayyyyy down, and you'll find them.

Although I do believe he was the taclking leader among falconbacks.

Who gives a shit? What part of "Derrick Thomas was one of the most DOMINANT linebackers of the 1990s" do you fail to understand? FUCK his tackle #s....he single-handedly changed games, dipshit.

RevLimiter wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:I'm still waiting on those tackling numbers... if you need help finding them, scroll wayyyy down the list of linebackers... like wayyyyy down, and you'll find them.

Although I do believe he was the taclking leader among falconbacks.

Who gives a shit? What part of "Derrick Thomas was one of the most DOMINANT linebackers of the 1990s" do you fail to understand? FUCK his tackle #s....he single-handedly changed games, dipshit.

You have a point. Like who can ever forget the time Thomas singlehandedly racked up 3 personal fouls in one series against the Broncos?

Lee Majors believes Thomas belongs in the Hall of Fame.

B wrote:You have a point. Like who can ever forget the time Thomas singlehandedly racked up 3 personal fouls in one series against the Broncos?

Shannon Sharpe camped out in poor Derrick's head that night.
Wow, that was a serious loss of composure.

Hey, and Shannon will likely end up in the Hall before the late D. Thomas will.
That's another kick in the 'nads.

The way this has all played out, it wouldn't shock me to learn that the all-time TE yardage leader is fuckin' one or more of Derrick's ...... five 'wives' ..... yeah.

Shit.


Pretty much 'bode everywhere you look.




:paul:

Shannon's a tv star too.

And Derrick's .....

.... not.



haha

Nah, Derrick was thought by many more of a radio personality, but the broadcast company just wouldn't stand for all the dead air when hosting his show.

ZING!!!!

BSmack wrote:

RevLimiter wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:I'm still waiting on those tackling numbers... if you need help finding them, scroll wayyyy down the list of linebackers... like wayyyyy down, and you'll find them.

Although I do believe he was the taclking leader among falconbacks.

Who gives a shit? What part of "Derrick Thomas was one of the most DOMINANT linebackers of the 1990s" do you fail to understand? FUCK his tackle #s....he single-handedly changed games, dipshit.

You have a point. Like who can ever forget the time Thomas singlehandedly racked up 3 personal fouls in one series against the Broncos?

Sharpe deserved it- he was deliberately diving at Wayne Simmons' knees before that happened and DT had his back.

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:Hey, and Shannon will likely end up in the Hall before the late D. Thomas will.

As he should.

Sharpe's a 1st ballot HOFer. No disputing that. But it's too bad DT didn't finish ripping his fucking head off and shitting down his neck in that Monday Nighter either. FUCK Shannon Sharpe.

RevLimiter wrote:

BSmack wrote:You have a point. Like who can ever forget the time Thomas singlehandedly racked up 3 personal fouls in one series against the Broncos?

Sharpe deserved it- he was deliberately diving at Wayne Simmons' knees before that happened and DT had his back.

I seem to recall another story. Something about Sharpe tapping one of Thomas' many hoes the prior night and giving EVERYBODY on the field a "blow by blow" account of the experience.

Besides, we all know Thomas would have never been that close to the point of attack on a running play.

BSmack wrote:I seem to recall another story. Something about Sharpe tapping one of Thomas' many hoes the prior night and giving EVERYBODY on the field a "blow by blow" account of the experience.

Besides, we all know Thomas would have never been that close to the point of attack on a running play.

Nope- Sharpe was reciting Thomas' GF's cell #s to him....but that doesn't mean that he WASN'T tapping any of them.