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Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:26 pm
by ChargerMike
...the Indian gaming measures here in Caly, 94,95,96,&97 passed with relative ease, paving the way for 17,000 more slot machines and mad $$$$$$ into the pouch's of the leaders of the four wealthist tribes in LowCal. The governator did a great job selling the horseshit package to an uninformed California public. The Gov; who has failded badly in his campaign promise to balance the states budget claims this pact will bail him and the state out. :lol:

For those not familiar with the Pachanga, Sycuan, Agua Caliente, and Morongo tribes, they OWN the gaming business in California. Of the 100 or so tribes in California, these four have become filthy rich while the majority of tribes feed off the crumbs strewn their way by the big four.

Under the agreement, "each of the four tribes will be able to "self audit" their gambling profits, for the purposes of reporting income to the State. As it is now, an impartial auditor counts the gambling profits. Under the new compacts, they'll be able to audit their own profits. They'll be able to decide what their profits are. If the State feels it's getting shortchanged, the tribe has the luxury of having the final say.

Two, the Propositions allow the tribes to reduce or totally withhold their tax payments to the State, if they feel the State has permitted a non-tribal entity to operate a gambling operation too close to their sphere of influence. Meaning, if the tribes feel that a new race track, or a new card house, or a new bingo parlor, is cutting into their customer base, they can withhold taxpayments.

The net effect of all this is that indian tribes will be given a guarantee that they won't have any competition, and will become their own judge and jury when it comes to deciding how much taxes to pay, or if they want to pay any taxes at all."

"What the Casinos get...

Casinos get to triple or nearly quadruple their number of slot machines (Pechanga goes from 2,000 to 7,500)

Casinos are no longer subject to the California Environmental Quality Act. Any expansion must be backed up by an environmental report that the Indian tribes can conduct themselves.

Casinos no longer have to have an impartial auditor count the slot machine revenues; they'll be able to audit them on their own.

Casinos will receive a "fail safe" guarantee that punishes the State for permitting non-tribal gambling operations. That is, if an organization other than an indian tribe receives a clearance to build a gambling establishment, the indian casino will be allowed to reduce its taxes to the State, or eliminate them altogether.

What the State gets...

Casinos will now pay taxes to the State General Fund. Previously, casino taxes were paid to two tribal funds (RSTF and SDF) that the State distributed to smaller tribes, and tribal administrative bodies. The General Fund is spent on all Californians.

Casinos will now pay more money than before, almost double than under the current compact agreements. But as mentioned above, the Indian tribes will now get to audit their own revenues for the purpose of deciding how much money goes to the State.{/b] Under the current arrangement, an impartial auditor is used. So, it's not exactly clear how much more money California will receive."


Nice scam Governer, another sweetheart deal pulled on the idiots of California.

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:47 am
by Mister Bushice
Well, we did take the United States from them, you know. ;)

Arnold won't win again, and I'll bet that, after an abuse or two is revealed, those measures will be repealed.

It does seem like Gangsters have taken over though, eh?

Arnold has been handcuffed by the state legislature for years, though.

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:08 am
by Cuda
Next time you post about Injuns, CM, drop in some references to Boom Sticks and/or Fire Water to make it somewhat believable

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:30 am
by Mister Bushice
CM,

I did a little looking and asking,

They were running TV ads in mid cal and coastal cal indicating that these measures were supported by over 70 Cali tribes and were only opposed by two. Even non gaming tribes supported it.

Can't see where there was much opposition, or even a good attempt to stop them. Most controversial measures get shot down, these weren't opposed real hard by any one so they passed.


You broke neck white man drinking cudas fire water and shooting his boom sticks? Bad idea. Bad medicine.
Soon you stupid like cuda, lick sack of biggie and forget about squaw and job.

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:45 pm
by Diogenes
There was plenty of opposition- from the two tribes inquestion, and the local labor unions.

The latter was sufficient to justify a yes vote.

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:20 pm
by ChargerMike
Mister Bushice wrote:CM,

I did a little looking and asking,

They were running TV ads in mid cal and coastal cal indicating that these measures were supported by over 70 Cali tribes and were only opposed by two. Even non gaming tribes supported it.

Can't see where there was much opposition, or even a good attempt to stop them. Most controversial measures get shot down, these weren't opposed real hard by any one so they passed.


You broke neck white man drinking cudas fire water and shooting his boom sticks? Bad idea. Bad medicine.
Soon you stupid like cuda, lick sack of biggie and forget about squaw and job.

...here's the deal Will...The other indian tribes are stupid! They get a smidgen over a million dollars a year from the big four. Under the new agreement it's status quo for the other 70-100 tribes, they don't get a penny more, while the big four...they just hit the jackpot! The only tribes who benefit are the big four. There was mad money flowing through the reservations to get this sucker through.
On the other end, Arnold could have cut a much better deal for the state. It amounts to around 23% the big four will pay to the state IF they don't fudge on their income :shock: Other states pay as high as 30-35%.

If gaming is the end-all fix-all for the state budget crisis, then why not legalize gambling for everyone and really rake in the big bucks?"

Will, you have one or two of the big four in your county I believe...have you ever visited the Pechanga casino? I have a friend who works at the Moronga casino, she claims the casino is run by gangs who take down $40,000.00 per month (tax free of course) to keep things under control. Hey, I don't know! I just think Arnold could have cut a much better deal.

Re: Redskins enhance their pot of gold...

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:14 am
by Wolfman
If gaming is the end-all fix-all for the state budget crisis, then why not legalize gambling for everyone and really rake in the big bucks?

That's for sure--especially here in FL--with all the snowbirds and retirees-- why have them give their
gaming $$ to the Seminoles or take it to Las Vegas ???