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Found this in today's C'bus Dispatch (online):

If NCAA football rule makers have their way, horse-collar tackles will be outlawed next season, just like in the NFL, and the game clock will be stopped only briefly when a ball carrier goes out of bounds.

Those changes, along with going to a 40/25-second play clock, were among several proposals yesterday by the NCAA football rules committee. The changes must be approved by the playing rules oversight panel in a month or so before taking effect.

The aim of several changes, the NCAA said in a release, is to enhance player safety. Along with banning the use of the horse-collar tackle, in which a ball carrier is pulled down by the back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, intentional helmet-to-helmet contact will be penalized more often, and the chop block will be clarified.

"Specifically, the committee is addressing players that use the crown of their helmet and players that target defenseless opponents when making contact above the shoulders," committee member Rogers Redding, coordinator of officials for the Southeastern Conference, said in the release

The clock no longer would be stopped until the next snap by a ball carrier running out of bounds, except in the last two minutes of each half. Otherwise, the game clock will be stopped only until the referee signals the ball is ready for play.

In the 40/25 rule, a 40- second countdown will begin as soon as the previous play ends. If the ball is signaled ready before 15 seconds have passed, a 25-second clock will start. If it takes more than 15 seconds to spot the ball, what remains on the 40-second clock will hold sway.

In other proposed changes:

If a coach challenges a call and the challenge is upheld, he will be granted a second challenge.
A fumble that leads to an immediate recovery may be reviewed by the replay official.
When a kickoff goes out of bounds, the receiving team can accept the ball at its 40-yard line instead of the 35.
The incidental face-mask foul of 5 yards will be removed. All face-mask fouls will be 15-yard penalties.
There will be a yardage penalty for sideline control violations in which team members don't stay within their designated zone in the bench area.

I like the horse collar change, along with the second challenge. Would like to see 15 yards for sideline violations.
Not a big fan of the incidental facemask call going away. 15 yards for all FM calls is too severe.

Discuss.

keep the horse collar tackle


the refs get confused, and will start calling anything near the shoulders. they are confused as it is, dont confuse the zebras anymore than they are


you have to have 2 face mask penalties. sometimes your hand will slide onto the mask.


if they are all 15yarders, might as well grab your own mask while in a pile.

sin,
scaltrojan

Then how the hell do you tackle a guy from behind that you're chasing?

Laxplayer wrote:Then how the hell do you tackle a guy from behind that you're chasing?

thats what im talking about, a guy is going to get the shoulder pad, and they will call it a horse tackle.


please dont confuse the idiot zebras anymore than they already are

Keep the horse collar. I don't want CFB to turn into that pussy ass NFL crap they feed us on Sundays...

SunCoastSooner wrote:Kep the horse collar. I don't want CFB to turn into that pussy ass NFL crap they feed us on Sundays...

And if someone runs out of bounds, stop the freaking clock and leave it stopped.

One of the very few things I like better about the NFL game (and it's very few) is the better ability for clock-management. Although I do like stopping it to move the chains, which plays a big part in clock-management in CFB.

Adelpiero wrote:you have to have 2 face mask penalties. sometimes your hand will slide onto the mask.

Agreed.

I like the 40/25 rule.

The facemask change will lead to more injuries.

I played high school ball back when all facemasking penalties drew 15 yards. Common thought back then was that if you got the facemask, you might as well make sure that the penalty didn't cheat you, and yank the other guy's facemask around pretty good (not that I ever did that, mind you, but I know some people who did).

BtH, on a second reading, I can see where you're coming from. I don't know what to make of this, however:

The incidental face-mask foul of 5 yards will be removed. All face-mask fouls will be 15-yard penalties.

Does that mean an incidental face mask penalty will be 15 yards? If so, I think this is more likely to be detrimental to player safety.

My thoughts on selected issues:

The horse collar is a non-issue. The percentage of horse-collar tackles in NCAA football games last year was less than 1/10th of one percent. Players just don't tackle that way, because it is difficult to do. There has been discussion about how do you tackle someone from behind, most people dive at the legs. To horse-collar them you would have to be even closer.

Face mask - You will see more of the 15 yard calls since there is no 5 yard call. Officials will always lean on the side of safety and as such these calls will go up compared to last year. Last year it was easy, any hand up there and you get 5. Do something really bad and you get 15. I can already hear it now on the first Saturday in Sept when the head coach is complaining that his guy had his mask grasped. By October we will have a bulletin from the NCAA to be stronger in enforcement of the 15 yard facemask.

40/25 second clock. Mace clearly doesn't understand the game flow, and he isn't alone. Most of the time the ball is spotted within 6 - 10 seconds, but the 25 second clock isn't started. If we started the clock as soon as the ball was spotted every time, the game would be 20 to 30 minutes longer. There would be more plays per game which add to the length of the game. Most referees start the 25 second clock about 15 seconds after the end of the last play. Could the start it earlier, sure in most cases, but the conferences have dictated that we don't. Further if we started the clock as soon as the ball was spotted you are going to see a ton more delay calls, until the coaching staffs adjust which will take a couple of years.

IMO I would like to see the 40 second clock only. This way every crew across the country is exactly the same. Mixing the 40 with a 25 is stupid and will lead to issues at schools where they don't pay for an official to run the clock.

Adelpiero, my offer still stands. Only one person has ever taken me up on it and he changed his tune. If you really think we are so confused that we can't operate take me up on my offer. I will get you in touch with your local chapter and you can start officiating. If at the end of the season you still think the officials have no clue, then I will reimburse you for your uniform, dues, and other expenses.

Left Seater wrote:Adelpiero, my offer still stands. Only one person has ever taken me up on it and he changed his tune. If you really think we are so confused that we can't operate take me up on my offer. I will get you in touch with your local chapter and you can start officiating. If at the end of the season you still think the officials have no clue, then I will reimburse you for your uniform, dues, and other expenses.

why don't you reimburse him for grammar lessons? imagine him officiating:

they a holdng thug tah was kansas fuck hes stupid 17 yards 2nd down repeat.

Left Seater wrote:Adelpiero, my offer still stands. Only one person has ever taken me up on it and he changed his tune. If you really think we are so confused that we can't operate take me up on my offer. I will get you in touch with your local chapter and you can start officiating. If at the end of the season you still think the officials have no clue, then I will reimburse you for your uniform, dues, and other expenses.

Officiating in College and Pro's is horrible. There is no argument about it.



Mclub,

grammar smack? Course, it's pretty much all you got.

Adelpiero wrote:Officiating in College and Pro's is horrible. There is no argument about it.

I think what Lefty was saying was if you can't be part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Either that or STFU.

Officials have a tough as shit job to do. All blow calls at some point, but most make the right call most of the time. If you are confident enough that you are perfect at your job then good for you. Most aren't.

Adelpiero wrote:Mclub,

grammar smack? Course, it's pretty much all you got.

I don't do grammar smack. ELL smack, on the other hand..

People who constantly critisize officiating should shave my crotch. It's a thankless task. Nobody gives them praise when there is no controversies, yet they get pounced on if they miss one. Anyone who knows shit, knows that these guys work hard and get 99% of calls right on.

Sack up Adel, take the challenge or quit your whining.

Adelpiero wrote: Officiating in College and Pro's is horrible. There is no argument about it.

A little bit of knowledge is a scary thing. They are "horrible" because you likely don't know the mechanics of officiating, and you don't know as much as you think you do about rules.