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Sudden Sam wrote:

If McCain were to name Colin Powell as his veep, I'd be the biggest GOP supporter in history.

Sudden Sam wrote:Wouldn't McCain picking Leiberman kill Farrakhan, Wright and their ilk?!

I agree poor ol' Colin was destroyed when W marched him out front to present the lies and distortions of Rove, Cheney, etc. to persuade the citizenry to back the invasion of Iraq.

Tom In VA wrote: If it wasn't for the invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam, there would be no conclusive evidence as to the exact nature and status of Saddam's WMD capabilities. Saddam went out of his way to bluff the world into thinking his programs were more mature than they actually were. Plus, he was rebuilding the infrastructure necessary to bring those programs back online. The only thing that intelligence was wrong about was the state of his capabilities at the time.

With him gone and no longer able to play "hide and seek" with the weapons inspectors - when he let them back in four years later, a conclusive rock solid assessment of his WMD capabilities was able to be made.

Saddam lied, people died.

Sudden Sam wrote:
If McCain were to name Colin Powell as his veep, I'd be the biggest GOP supporter in history.

.m2 wrote: If McCain were to name Colin Powell as his veep, I'd be the biggest GOP supporter in history.

Well, I guess you're enjoying benefits of the current economy.... (the worst since WWII)

Psssst! Just a heads up... the GNP is all "highest" when a Democrat is the President.

You'd have to go back over 50 years for this not to be the case.


Now if we could just get rid of a few of the "red" states... we might have gasoline prices that are somewhat reasonable.

P.S. Leave your.... "the gasoline prices are market driven" for some dipshit that's interested in buying bridges.

OCmike wrote:BTW, (0 new messages) says that I'm still waiting for my PM. :paul:

mvscal wrote:Powelyp has always been a nutless pusbag. If he hadn't been such a fucking handwringing pussy, we wouldn't be fucking around in Iraq right now.

Sudden Sam wrote:
She seems to be absolutely obsessed with race.

Sudden Sam wrote:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Links at end of first paragraph to actual thesis.

She seems to be absolutely obsessed with race. Then again...that was the subject of her thesis.

Maybe she's grown out of it?

I'm not a fan of any of the candidates, by the way.

If McCain were to name Colin Powell as his veep, I'd be the biggest GOP supporter in history.

Dr_Phibes wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:
She seems to be absolutely obsessed with race.

Wow that's weird. Seems to be the subject of every second thread, here on PSU's Plantation.

Dr_Phibes wrote:...it's like a vicious, gossiping knitting circle.

What a pointless waste of energy.

BSmack wrote:
A simple pictorial depiction of the average T1B members views on race.

LTS TARD2 wrote:Obama...why not? He's rational, intelligent, non-criminal, and so far has refrained from any shameful obeisance to the Israel lobby. What's not to like, or trust?

NickFrisco wrote:If you're in any way considering McCain as anything but a total nightmare of unbridled military spending and waste, as well as being personally unqualified for any public office, you are very ignorant. Pssst...being tortured in a box for five years qualifies one for extensive therapy--that's it!

O-Mike, how long can you stand bearing the fake mantle of Deregulation--as it's been proven again and again to invite disaster? How long can you mouth the spoor of right-wing hacks? You are really pathetic.

Obama...why not? He's rational, intelligent, non-criminal, and so far has refrained from any shameful obeisance to the Israel lobby. What's not to like, or trust?

Princess Obama wrote: "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

mvscal wrote:There is no getting past this "Black Liberation Theology" bullshit. It's Willie Horton, Mike Dukakis in a tank and John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia all rolled up into one nasty shit sandwich.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: If you're in any way considering McCain as anything but a total nightmare of unbridled military spending and waste...

The Big Pickle wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:So much for the “supportive emails” angle.

Are you telling me that you got trolled again?



Why am I not surprised. Why don't you just think about it for a minute.

BSmack wrote:Namely, it is bullshit to compare Obama's politics to Wright's. Anyone who does so is either stupid, lying or both. Obama has a 10 year legislative record to pick apart yet the best opposition research can find on him are 3 quotes by his PASTOR?

I HAVE known my rabbi for more than 20 years. The synagogue he serves as spiritual leader is one I have attended for a quarter-century. He officiated at my wedding and was present for the circumcision of each of my sons. Over the years, I have sought his advice on matters private and public, religious and secular. I have heard him speak from the pulpit more times than I can remember.

My relationship with my rabbi, in other words, is similar in many respects to Barack Obama's relationship with his longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright. But if my rabbi began delivering sermons as toxic, hate-filled, and anti-American as the diatribes Wright has preached at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, I wouldn't hesitate to demand that he be dismissed.

Were my rabbi to gloat that America got its just desserts on 9/11, or to claim that the US government invented AIDS as an instrument of genocide, or to urge his congregants to sing "God Damn America" instead of "God Bless America," I would know about it straightaway, even if I hadn't actually been in the sanctuary when he spoke. The news would spread rapidly through the congregation, and in short order one of two things would happen: Either the rabbi would be gone, or I and scores of others would walk out, unwilling to remain in a house of worship that tolerated such poisonous teachings. I have no doubt that the same would be true for millions of worshipers in countless houses of worship nationwide.

But it wasn't true for Obama, whose long and admiring relationship with Wright, a man he describes as his "mentor", remained intact for more than 20 years, notwithstanding the incendiary and bigoted messages the minister used his pulpit to promote.

In Philadelphia yesterday, Obama gave a graceful speech on the theme of race and unity in American life. Much of what he said was eloquent and stirring, not least his opening paean to the Founders and the Constitution - a document "stained by the nation's original sin of slavery," as he said, yet also one "that had at its very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time." There was an echo there of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who in his great "I Have a Dream" speech extolled "the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence" as "a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir."

The problem for Obama is that Wright, the spiritual leader he has so long embraced, is a devotee not of King, - who in that same speech warned against "drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred" - but of the poisonous hatemonger Louis Farrakhan, whom the church's magazine honored with a lifetime achievement award. The problem for Obama, who campaigns on a message of racial reconciliation, is that the "mentor" whose church he joined and has generously supported is a disciple not of King but of James Cone, founder of a "black liberation" theology that teaches its adherents to "accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Above all, the problem for Obama is that for two decades his spiritual home has been a church in which the minister damns America to the enthusiastic approval of the congregation, and not until it threatened to scuttle his political ambitions did Obama finally find the mettle to condemn the minister's odium.

When Don Imus uttered his infamous slur on the radio last year, Obama cut him no slack. Imus should be fired, he said. "There's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group."

When it came to Wright, however, he wasn't nearly so categorical. Oh, he's "like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," Obama indulgently explained to one interviewer. He's just "trying to be provocative," he told another." Far from severing his ties to Wright, Obama made him a member of his Religious Leadership Committee -- a tie he finally cut only four days ago."

Such a clanging double standard raises doubts about Obama's character and judgment, and about his fitness for the role of race-transcending healer. Yesterday's speech was finely crafted, but it leaves some troubling questions unanswered.

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mvscal wrote:There is no way for Obama to separate himself from that political ideology.

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:

BSmack wrote:Namely, it is bullshit to compare Obama's politics to Wright's. Anyone who does so is either stupid, lying or both. Obama has a 10 year legislative record to pick apart yet the best opposition research can find on him are 3 quotes by his PASTOR?

Its Obama’s long standing association and considerable financial support of this asshole along with the lack of admonishment for what Wright stands for that is most disturbing. This doesn't bother you Bsmack?

BSmack wrote:For if we do, it begs the question of what kind of advice and counsel a President who only surrounds himself with advisers who are certified to be ideologically "pure" will receive.