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What's really going on in Afghanistan and Iraq, as told by the troops themselves.

Aimee Allison and Aaron Glantz anchor the second day of a historic three day broadcast of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans speaking out against the US occupations of those countries.

I don't even need to watch your link Pinko. I live in a military community; I grew up in a military household. Most of my the males under 35 in my family are serving. I'll take their opinions on the matter and they don't come anything close to what you're alluding to here.

mvscal wrote:Frauds.

Did you listen to the testimonies?

Real stories from real soldiers.

And then we have other, more honorable, Iraq Vets who see things differently. Imagine that.

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Vets for Freedom comes to KC, encouraging support for war in Iraq
By SCOTT CANON
The Kansas City Star
A touring bus of veterans came to Kansas City on Wednesday asking, largely, not to be ignored.

They were pushing a political cause — encouraging the country not to abandon the war in Iraq — and saying that the peace in the violent country is possible through persistence.

But the members of the Vets for Freedom also called on their countrymen to do more than embrace abstract support-our-troops slogans by recognizing the sacrifices of those troops and their families.

“We want people to understand what is happening to the men and women who are fighting for them,” said Tom Parks, a decorated and twice-wounded Marine veteran now living in Overland Park.

He served two tours in Iraq and retired from the Marine Corps after more than 20 years of service. His wife remains in the Corps.

The group’s “National Heroes Tour” began in California and is scheduled to culminate April 8 on Capitol Hill with a pitch to lawmakers to listen to military leaders in assessing the prospects for success in Iraq. The group thinks last year’s surge of roughly 30,000 extra troops has made the possibility of security in Iraq that may yet lead to reconciliation among the country’s Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.

The group’s stance that a timetable for withdrawal would lay waste to the sacrifice of troops is controversial. Other Iraq veterans argue a continued effort would mean only more sacrifice for poorly chosen foreign policy.

Polls show that the war is largely unpopular, but that the American public is fractured over how to move forward.

Still, Parks and his colleagues think their tour could give civilian America a better understanding of what they consider an honorable and noble effort.

“It’s important for me that individuals understand that we’re still continuing our service even when we come home,” said David Bellavia, the group’s founder. “We want to continually tell the story of what these guys did.”

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:Frauds.

Did you listen to the testimonies?

Real stories from real soldiers.

They must be real- they've even got the used uniforms!

I didn't bother with Martys link. This anti american crusade he's been baiting us all with for the last few years just takes away all his credibility for me.

but as an opinion on the topic in general it would not be hard to find disgruntled people in EVERY walk of life. Every profession, every social situation. You can never please all the people all the time, but by the same token you can't turn around and use the voices of the few to represent the sentiment of the many without the agreement of the many. This is one of those cases.

You find 3,4, or 5 unhappy soldiers, and they immediately become the voice of 150,000? Bullshit.

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However, since charges against the soldiers were first announced in late 2006, prosecutors have struggled to make the allegations stick.

Four of the eight have had charges against them dropped, while charges of murder were replaced by the lesser offence of manslaughter in the cases of Tatum and his squad leader Sergeant Frank Wuterich.

The military investigator overseeing Tatum's pre-trial hearing had recommended all charges against the soldier be dismissed.

The killings in Haditha are the most serious allegations of war crimes leveled at US forces since the 2003 invasion to topple Saddam Hussein.

Most "serious" can be interpreted in different ways.

prosecutors have struggled to make the allegations stick.

I have that effect on victims.

sin,

war.