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Posted: **Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:14 pm**

if there is a dumber group of people than bandwagon OU hoops fan, i don't even know.

you watch. Oklahoma will be a very good but not great team next year with Blake Griffin, Tony Crocker, and McD's AA Willie Warren. and the OU Cletus (football) fans will have been reading about all this nonsense all off-season about rankings and lottery picks...and when OU loses a few OOC and league road games to inferior opponents (that's the way it is, always has been...league games are tough on the road)....they'll wanna fire Jeff Capel for sucking with an all-star "Showtime revisited" lineup of a frosh, soph and junior. criticize the offense for not "running" and "jumping" and "dunking" (like Billy's ol' teams used to do), etc.

I overstate for effect. but, it ain't too FAR off.

any off-season expectaions is a killer for OU's hoops. high-expectations are worse for the program re: the fan base in the long run.

sometimes it's a lonely world for OU hoops fan.

every JUCO who transfers to OU is a 20 ppg/10 rb guy ("pure scorer"), or "the true point we really need"....and then trashed rest of his career for not being that. it's like the sun coming up in the morning.

Posted: **Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:41 pm**

who needs Moose? Kyle Cannon. that guy is gonna go NUTS BALL CRAZY next year.

no one has seen him play, but that doesn't matter. He's all kinds of JUCO savior. so is Pattillo.

Personally, i'd like to see Moose back. but that's on him.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:50 pm**

I think we will definatly be much improved and I am no Cletus by any means.

I think that Ryan Wright will have a huge impact down low and will be better than Longar. WW will certainly improve the guard play even though you are correct he won't play the point.

Cletus may have a tendancy to over hype but I find that "true" OU fan has a tendancy to be overly negative as well...

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:38 pm**

I am in, always have been. OU went way above my expectations this year.

I think we just have to sit back and watch how things turn out.

Blake Griffin proabably made a good choice in coming back, but he should probably leave after this season if he preforms well.

I think OU can make the tourny again, but might not get much furthere than this year, even though the team might be better, but that is a long way off.

OU will not be better than Kansas or Texas though. A third place finish in the big 12 and you have a happy MO. However anything less than sixth would be disappointing.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:39 pm**

OUMO wrote:I am in, always have been. OU went way above my expectations this year.

I think we just have to sit back and watch how things turn out.

Blake Griffin proabably made a good choice in coming back, but he should probably leave after this season if he preforms well.

I think OU can make the tourny again, but might not get much furthere than this year, even though the team might be better, but that is a long way off.

OU will not be better than Kansas or Texas though. A third place finish in the big 12 and you have a happy MO. However anything less than sixth would be disappointing.

I think we will be very comparable to Texas... Kansas tends to slump after a national title no matter how much they have returning. The door may be open for us to sneak in.

Posted: **Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:02 pm**

SunCoastSooner wrote:I think we will definatly be much improved and I am no Cletus by any means.

I think that Ryan Wright will have a huge impact down low and will be better than Longar. WW will certainly improve the guard play even though you are correct he won't play the point.

Cletus may have a tendancy to over hype but I find that "true" OU fan has a tendancy to be overly negative as well...

fair enough on the last point. I'll be interested in seeing Wright.

i think this team will finish 3rd or so in the conference and maybe have a seed amenable to make the sweet 16. which, to me, is an unqualified success for any team that isn't a 1 or 2 seed. i think KU will still be pretty good. Baylor has Jerrels coming back who i think is heckuva player. they ought to be pretty good. they don't play D and have no inside game, Lomars is a serious stiff and Diene has 3 fouls at the 10 minute mark of every game i've ever seen him play. Dunn is going to be a good player. i sorta like Turgeon as a coach (jerkoff as a player and still is, but i think is a good coach though i'm not sure he's a great fit for Aggieland), so i wouldn't write off ATM either. Barnes just keeps plugging away.

now if we get Juan Pattillo, we'll beat the Celtics and have more draft picks than Iowa football.

despite the adversity, last year's OU team had a lot of things break right for them--Godbold at Tech, Baylor in Norman. those were huge W's for a team that got run out of the gym a lot by good teams. the diff b/ween 9-7 in conference and 7-9 wasn't that great. and the mileage we got from beating Arkansas, West Virginia, and Gonzaga (with Moose) early on pretty much made the season.

i think a 4 or 5 seed is about where i'd put next year's team. not "top 10" like you see at insider.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:15 pm**

King Crimson wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:I think we will definatly be much improved and I am no Cletus by any means.

I think that Ryan Wright will have a huge impact down low and will be better than Longar. WW will certainly improve the guard play even though you are correct he won't play the point.

Cletus may have a tendancy to over hype but I find that "true" OU fan has a tendancy to be overly negative as well...
fair enough on the last point. I'll be interested in seeing Wright.

i think this team will finish 3rd or so in the conference and maybe have a seed amenable to make the sweet 16. which, to me, is an unqualified success for any team that isn't a 1 or 2 seed. i think KU will still be pretty good. Baylor has Jerrels coming back who i think is heckuva player. they ought to be pretty good. they don't play D and have no inside game, Lomars is a serious stiff and Diene has 3 fouls at the 10 minute mark of every game i've ever seen him play. Dunn is going to be a good player. i sorta like Turgeon as a coach (jerkoff as a player and still is, but i think is a good coach though i'm not sure he's a great fit for Aggieland), so i wouldn't write off ATM either. Barnes just keeps plugging away.

now if we get Juan Pattillo, we'll beat the Celtics and have more draft picks than Iowa football.

despite the adversity, last year's OU team had a lot of things break right for them--Godbold at Tech, Baylor in Norman. those were huge W's for a team that got run out of the gym a lot by good teams. the diff b/ween 9-7 in conference and 7-9 wasn't that great. and the mileage we got from beating Arkansas, West Virginia, and Gonzaga (with Moose) early on pretty much made the season.

i think a 4 or 5 seed is about where i'd put next year's team. not "top 10" like you see at insider.

I don't see us as top 10 either though I do see us as top 15-20 and with the right combonation of depth and experience could be a team that is very dangerous in the post season.

Posted: **Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:46 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, we got Patillo, so let the delusional fans go crazy.

here's the way i see it:

Blake Griffin: 25 and 10 game (double double)
Willie Warren: 25 per and 6-7 asst.
Tony Crocker: 18 per
Juan Pattillo: 25 and 10(double double)
Kyle Cannon: 15 and 10 (double double)
Ryan Wright: 15 and 10 (double double)

Sooners are gonna average *at least* 120 points a game, way i see it. the numbers speak to that, even if i'm wrong. probably have more rebounds than total missed shots taken by either team, too. undefeated. :wink:

still, though. nice get for the Sooners to edge out Gillespie and Kentucky for Pattillo. Gillespie no doubt wore us thin with the truth about OOC crowd support at the LNC. and Kentucky is Kentucky.

Posted: **Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:16 pm**

King Crimson wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, we got Patillo, so let the delusional fans go crazy.
here's the way i see it:

Blake Griffin: 25 and 10 game (double double)
Willie Warren: 25 per and 6-7 asst.
Tony Crocker: 18 per
Juan Pattillo: 25 and 10(double double)
Kyle Cannon: 15 and 10 (double double)
Ryan Wright: 15 and 10 (double double)

Sooners are gonna average *at least* 120 points a game, way i see it. the numbers speak to that, even if i'm wrong. probably have more rebounds than total missed shots taken by either team, too.
undefeated. :wink:
still, though. nice get for the Sooners to edge out Gillespie and Kentucky for Pattillo. Gillespie no doubt wore us thin with the truth about OOC crowd support at the LNC. and Kentucky is Kentucky.

Is Patillo official? Been out of the loop?

Posted: **Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:20 pm**

he committed. he's a Sooner. what needs to be clarified is exactly what position he plays. he's either Daryan Selvy or Michael Jordan or a "slashing 3 guard with a 3 point stroke" depending on what you read.

I'm gonna go and say he's more Selvy.

Posted: **Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:48 pm**

King Crimson wrote:he committed. he's a Sooner. what needs to be clarified is exactly what position he plays. he's either Daryan Selvy or Michael Jordan or a "slashing 3 guard with a 3 point stroke" depending on what you read.

I'm gonna go and say he's more Selvy.

I'd prefer Selvy. We have have enough Michael Jordans ;)

Posted: **Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:31 am**

Selvy used to shoot the 3 sometimes. drove Kelvin crazy. he'd always comment on it on the radio post-game. whereas he'd call other players by their first names....Hollis, Ebi, Ace, Quannas.....it was always "Selvy" after DS would jack a couple up. i don't miss Kelvin's "let me tell you how to think about Sooner basketball/I invented basketball and the wheel" post-game shows....but those were good times.

Posted: **Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:49 am**

Believe the Heupel wrote:DJ Augustin going pro helps. A lot. Abrams declared as well, but I think he's going to back out.

Chalmers and Rush are gone at Kansasucks as well.

It may not be totally implausible that we contend for the conference crown next season after all...

Posted: **Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:03 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:I was expecting Chalmers to go. Word around town is that he was going to go pro after this year no matter what-he's got a new mouth to feed.

Doesn't Kansas (the state) figure Child support by income? I thought it did... more of a reason to delay ;)

Posted: **Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:01 pm**

Sooners are looking better addition by subtraction conference-wise. but, Barnes still squeezes blood from a stone...Baylor brings back a lot and ATM ought to be pretty good. drawing a blank on the Ag who declared but he'll come back. they out to be pretty good.

KU still plays home-homes in the North and that means roadies in Ames, Lincoln, and Boulder and W-L padding at home with the north schedule (KSU, please. and Mizzou we'll see if Carroll and the other guy come back out of the draft)...though NU might be deece. FWIW, CU hoops is imploding. Bzdelik is cleaning house in a really creepy way. he's kinda fucking kids over left and right IMO. he's run off over half the roster he inherited. over half. in a fairly unambiguous way. and a couple of the guys were pretty good players....it's scorched earth. some of that is expected, but it's like a new guy leaves the program every two weeks.

gonna be a down year for the XII.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2008 5:36 pm**

The Sooners are looking better roster-wise too, when it comes to addition by subtraction. ANYBODY that's getting burn in Longar's place is okay by me. Watch how much more efficiently our offense looks next year when it doesn't have to take the outside lane around HIS learning curve.

Warren may very well run some point for us next year. Sadly, I wish that Austin Johnson would have declared for the NBA draft and signed with an agent though. Getting him and his 30' jumpers 6 seconds into the shot clock off of the roster would have done almost as much for us as losing Longar.

Yeah, maybe I AM a negative OU fan, but I see too much GOOD talent on this team being wasted because of a handful of upperclassmen who think that shooting from the logo is a good shot just because he's not guarded from there. At least Blake doesn't have 3-point range. The worst thing in the world that could happen to us would be for him to fall in love with the long ball. Chicks may dig the long ball, but, unless you can hit it consistently (yeah, AJ, YOU) I don't think you should shoot it 10 times/game.

I'm not negative. I'm a realist. Lately, reality hasn't been pretty. If that makes me a Negative Nancy, I guess I'll have to learn to live with it.

I was at Krista Sanchez' graduation yesterday, though. It's nice!

the_ouskull

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2008 1:40 am**

damn Skull. you are so down on AJ. I thought he did a lot to silence the critics last year. shot selection and the dribble-drive with no place to go are valid criticisms. of the Griffin's, Taylor is the one who seems to think he's got 3 ball range. which is a bad, bad thought. BUT, he's a pretty good FT shooter. and no more than our guys who can actually shoot FT's get to the line, i'll take it.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2008 3:00 pm**

Don't get me wrong... I'm only down on AJ because he's freaking terrible. It's Longar Syndrome all over again with that guy. The occasional good, or at least "not bad" game that he has isn't enough, in my mind, to make up for the frequent stinkers that he rolls out onto the court. It would be different if he were at least consistent, but he's not even that. He can go for 20 one game, and 2 the next; 8 assists one game, and 8 turnovers the next...

...and while we're at it, I'd like to see a "bad shot" stat. I'm pretty sure that he'd be amongst the NCAA leaders in that category. He's just not active enough offensively unless he has the ball, or unless he has a shot at the ball (ie - back door cuts looking for lobs, even though he's a guard, and offensive rebounds that he's trying to slam home while his man leaks out for an easy two on the other end) and that's not acceptable at the college level. He's still playing like he's waiting for opponents to read his high school press clippings, and it saddens me to watch. If he'd have tapped half of his potential, he'd be all-conference. As it is, he's barely all-OU '08.

the_ouskull

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2008 3:52 pm**

I agree with Skull, AJ has a terrible shot selection.

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