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There's a lot to this and so I'm not going to post the article, you can read it for yourself. In a nutshell, a couple of Iowa playes last October allegedly sexually assaulted a U of I student. Her family is claiming that the U of Iowa mishandled it and tried to convince her that it should be handled in house. If true, I can't even express how pissed off that would make me especially coming from a University that completely screwed up a rape case a few years back involving a star basketball player. Granted, it's completely new administration (including the AD, President, and Coach) but they had to have learned how NOT to handle a case involving a star athlete. But some things not only sound fishy, but make me wonder what the entire administration at Iowa was thinking.......President Sally Mason, AD Gary Barta, SID Fred Mims, Coach Kirk Ferentz....it sounds like they all screwed up. That can't happen.

The alleged attackers are all gone from the team and were booted last year. Cedric Everson seems to be the main culprit, and he was a true freshman in 2007 and a 4-star CB recruit (possibly the best DB recruit Ferentz has landed), the others weren't any good not that that matters.

Here's a few excerpts that I felt were important......

The alleged victim was harassed, followed, taunted and called names such as "whore" by members of several athletes from UI athletic programs, including Satterfield and Everson and many players on the football team, her mother said in a phone interview.

"It was an arrogance of being just untouchable because nothing was done," the mother said of harassment from the perpetrators. Satterfield's lawyer declined to comment about the allegation of harassment, and Everson's lawyer couldn't be reached for comment about that allegation.

During this period, the alleged victim's father was contacting UI General Counsel Marc Mills and Mims daily, the mother said in a phone interview.

"We are taking care of it," was the response he received, according to the alleged victim's mother.

"We asked over and over and over and over and over and over -- what is the process? What can we expect?

"Who is protecting the victim after she told her story to so many people that first week? Where are these boys in all of this? NO ANSWERS. Only, due process, due process. Our question was also who is in charge?" according to the letter.

The alleged victim first learned from police that she was sexually assaulted by two perpetrators instead of one after Nov. 5, 2007, according to the letter. The athletic department knew this the first week after the incident but kept that from the victim and her father, according to the letter.

Mims directed the alleged victim to speak with other UI officials during the week of Oct. 21, 2007, but did not tell her who, according to the letter and the alleged victim's mother. This was the Office of Equal Opportunity and Diversity, which is part of UI's mandatory reporting structure, according to a document titled Resource and Referral Options for Victims of Sexual Assaults.

Marcella David, Jennifer Modestou and Tiffini Stephenson Earl, who are officials in the equal opportunity office, declined comment through a secretary Friday.

The alleged victim left the office in tears, according to the letter.

"They were aggressive and forceful in their interviewing tactics and accusatory in their stance. She told me afterwards, while crying, that they basically accused her of bringing this upon herself. She was interviewed with the intention of making her feel that she caused this. ...

"Her friends were called in as well, not having any idea what they were being called in for, and without the mention, again, of the right to an advocate, and they also left crying feeling as if they had committed some kind of crime by being associated with the victim and this situation," according to the letter.

The university announced that UI police were investigating the alleged assault on Nov. 14, 2007, more than a month after the attack allegedly occurred with no explanation for the delay.

Affidavits included in the search warrant indicated that four Iowa football players -- Everson, Satterfield, Clemmie Jevon Pugh and Michael Daniels Jr. -- were either inside or came by the allegedly vacated Hillcrest Residence Hall Room where the attack allegedly occurred.

According to the warrants and related documents, the alleged attack occurred in room N207, which allegedly had been vacated by football player Lance Tillison. According to the warrant documents, wide receiver Derrell Johnson-Koulianos told police that within days of the reported assault, Ferentz told Tillison to return to N207. Johnson-Koulianos also agreed to move into the room. Pugh, Daniels, Tillison and Johnson-Koulianos have not been charged in the case. Pugh has left the university.

An affidavit from UI police officer Brian Meyer said the alleged victim told police she "drank a lot in a short amount of time and got drunk very fast," the night of Oct. 13, 2007. She then left Hillcrest for a couple of hours before returning and encountering Pugh and Satterfield outside. The affidavit says the alleged victim told police the players took her outside of Everson's first floor room before taking her to N207, which Satterfield had a key for.

According to documents related to the search warrants and criminal complaints, both Everson and Satterfield sexually assaulted the alleged victim after she became intoxicated. The alleged victim, who told police she had no recollection of a sexual encounter with Everson, said she woke up with blood on her hands and body. The alleged victim tried to get back into her dorm but was locked out and went to a friends' dorm.

Ferentz later suspended Satterfield and Everson and said they were "not in good standing" with the team. The warrant documents state after Johnson-Koulianos moved into N207, he threw out a new condom and a used condom found behind a bed and a mattress cover with an "orangish-reddish color" substance on it.

"University of Iowa's character was non-existent. It is disappointing to say the very least," the alleged victim's mother said in a phone interview. "We were told the school will take care of it. We will keep it in house. We will be swift. We will be just, and you don't have to worry about it." "My understanding is that the athletic department wants to wash its hands on this, saying they did what she wanted me to do, and that is not the case," the alleged victim's mother said.

Within 36 hours of the alleged incident, the alleged victim repeated her allegations to Barta; Associate Athletic Director Fred Mims; Ferentz; Betsy Altmaier, a UI faculty member and a representative on the Presidential Committee on Athletics that serves as a liaison to the Big Ten and NCAA; and the victim's coach.

And the response from U of Iowa President Sally Mason....

We understand the strong emotions arising from this difficult case and continue to feel compassion for what this student and her family must be going through. The safety and well-being of the student has always been at the forefront of our concern. Each step of the way everyone involved with the University worked in accordance with University policy and procedures and attempted to convey those policies and procedures to the student and her family. At all times, she and her family had the ability to determine whether to pursue this matter within the University or outside of it, and we repeatedly informed them of those options. At a certain point, the student and her family chose to file a criminal report, an action which the University fully supported. Currently, the case continues to work its way through the criminal process. The University will not make further comments until that process is concluded. Again, this has been a very difficult and tragic situation for all concerned. We feel sympathy for all of those involved and look forward to a fair resolution of the case as soon as possible.

There's a lot of questions the University of Iowa has to answer and I don't want to hear them say they won't comment about this until it makes it way through the criminal process. Fuck that, give me answers now. I don't need to hear evidence, that I understand.....you can't tell us. But I want a rebuttal to the alleged victim's mother's allegations. That much they can say. Why was Everson allowed to live near her? Why didn't the U of I go out of it's way to make sure the alleged victim wasn't put into another dorm? Is the mother's account of the U of I's handling of this situation correct or is she just so damn pissed off that she's exaggerating and/or forgetting things?

But we do know she lived 3 rooms from Everson's girlfriend (and, apparently he lived with her most of the time), so how can that happen? Since none of you are familiar with the Iowa campus, it's kind of a 2-sided campus. Students that live on one side of the river don't ever go to the other side unless they have class over there. It's just too far to walk and there's no bars over near Hillcrest (where the alleged victim lived) so if you're on the other side of the river you'd never venture over there on a Friday night. So why not put her in a dorm on the opposite side of the river? She would have been safe from the football team over there (Hillcrest is where the underclass football players live) and from anyone else involved in this case. No one on the other side of campus would have even known who she was. The only people that know her as an alleged rape victim most likely lived in Hillcrest or were on the football team. People over on the other side of campus knew there was an alleged rape that occured over in Hillcrest, but they wouldn't know her.

One other question I have is for her family. Why on earth did they not get involved until a good month after the incident? Why didn't they push the U of I to get her moved out of Hillcrest? And why were they non existent until a month or so after? For a family that seems so pissed off at how it was handled......they sure did a poor job themselves. If I ever have a daughter and this happened to her, there's no way in fuck I'm leaving town until I get answers and the very minute she calls to tell me about it I'm getting on a plane and flying my ass to campus to get it solved. Then I'm filing charges and raising hell if they try fucking with me. You can't be passive if you're a parent in this situation. From the sounds of it, this girl has horrible parents and was failed by them and by the university she attends and that's too bad.

that's a lot of trouble for $3 million and a couple of 6-6 seasons.

My daughter is going to a convent for college...I just decided that.

Just send her to a studious school with a distinct lack of big angry CORN FED STUDS. Combining barely legals and uncontrollable meatheads on one campus...yeah, I can see how that would cause some worry.

PSUFAN wrote:My daughter is going to a convent for college...I just decided that.

You're sending her to BYU?

I said convent, not cult compound...uh, never mind.

Jon...Jon...Jon....I was actually with you until you questioned the family.

The alleged victim was also a student-athlete. I'm guessing she was instructed to report all issues to her coach and the AD first. I'm sure the alleged victim did not want to be degraded and be made into a public spectacle. They were told it would be handled swiftly. It wasn't. The family started questioning. Still nothing. The whole thing reeks and the University of Iowa big wigs are caught with their cocks in their asses. Hopefully, if what is being reported is true, Barta, Ferentz, Mason, and anyone else who was involved in covering it up get cells next to the guys that are accused of rape.

I used to respect Coach Ferentz.....not anymore. The guy is a fucking snake. I have a feeling this is going to get way worse.

But...props to you for putting down the Hawkeye Kool-Aid and demanding answers. I know I would be if this happened at ISU. (God, please don't let anything like this happen at ISU)

In other disturbing Iowa Hawkeye News.....

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Iowa freshman leads police on drunken chase
Associated Press
3:35 PM CDT, July 19, 2008
IOWA CITY, Iowa - Police say an incoming freshman on the University of Iowa football team will pay a hefty fine after stripping in an alley then leading police on a drunken foot chase through downtown Iowa City.

Riley Reiff is expected to plead guilty to charges of public intoxication and interference with official acts and will pay a $562 fine.

The 19-year-old was seen acting disoriented and taking off his clothes in an alley in downtown Iowa City. Authorities say that when police approached him, Reiff took off, running into the kitchen the Pita Pit, knocking several trays on the floor.

The pursuit continued for 20 minutes -- and took eight officers. Reiff, who is from Parkston, South Dakota, refused to take a Breathalyzer test.



Iowa officials were unavailable for comment. (KEEPING WITHIN THE AGENDA)

minorthreat,

I honestly do not believe Ferentz is at fault in this at all. Now, Gary Barta? Possible. Very possible. You gotta realize that Ferentz is a coach and nothing more. He's not some sorta high power at the U of I. He doesn't handle serious issues within the student body. And also remember, this happened during the middle of the season. What should he have done? Put yourself in Ferentz' shoes here.......you're in the middle of Big-10 play, your team has been a disappointment and this happens. Are you all of a sudden supposed to drop everything and go help this girl YOURSELF or trust that Barta and the U of I administrators handle it properly? My guess is Ferentz assumed everyone else would do their job and by the looks of it they didn't.

Take it easy on Kirk, he's not a phony. He's a good person. He has a daughter himself that's college aged so I don't think he took this lightly or had anything to do with a potential cover up. It's not his business to handle. His job is to coach the team and discipline the players that fuck up.......and he did. Everson and Satterfield never played another down at Iowa. Why would you even want Ferentz to deal with this at all if you were the victim? What exactly does a football coach know about how to handle a rape case? This is why you're being unfair criticizing Kirk. If you wanna criticize him for recruiting bad apples like Cedric Everson or criticize him for his teams performance the last couple of years then fine. But he is not a snake and in no way do I think he had ANY part in this and it's absolutely wrong to blame him or call him names.

Personally, I think Gary Barta needs to go. I really think he was the one that mucked this up. I think Ferentz most likely let Barta handle it mostly by himself and with the help of Fred Mims and maybe even Sally Mason. I think Mason also needs to go because it's obvious she refused to step in and make sure the situation was handled correctly. She's the freakin' President of the University and when something like this happens and you see how mishandled it was, you need to take the initiative and step up and get the situation corrected and help out the victim. But from the looks of it, that didn't happen. But Ferentz......like I said, it's football season and he is a COACH. Not a counselor, not an administrator. A coach.

This is 100% on Barta for either covering it up or failing to make sure not only was the victim protected but that she was given proper direction. And that simply CANNOT happen.....not on the heels of Pierre Pierce. Yes, I know Barta wasn't there when Pierce had his incidents but still.....he knew all about the Pierre saga. But I guarantee you Kirk delegated everything to Barta and the U of I. And that's what he SHOULD have done. The last person in the world that should have been handling this was a freakin' football coach.

Gary Barta and Sally Mason deserve to tell their side. I'm not calling for anyone to be fired until I've heard everyone's side, BUT assuming this is all true I will be very pissed off if they aren't out IMMEDIATELY.

But I disagree with the family. To me, it seems like the only thing they care about is MONEY. They're probably spoke to a lawyer who told them a major lawsuit would be possible so they jumped on it. I personally think they're only looking for money and not for their daughter's best interest. And that's pathetic because the real tragedy (other than an innocent girl was raped, of course) is that this girl has no guidance and no one to turn to. The administration didn't help her and her parents didn't take the initiative to help her right away either. Like I said, if my daughter was in this situation I'm not sitting around waiting for her school to handle the situation. My ass will be on a plane to her college town and I'm going STRAIGHT to the police and then I'm going to the administrators and I'm getting it handled. Then I'm making darn sure she moves way the heck away from that dorm. Why? Because that's what a good parent would do. A bad parent would sit around and let administrators handle the situation and just trust that everything will be okay and not push the school to get her into more safe housing. Afterall, isn't her safety the biggest concern a parent should have???

So I ask......why is she just NOW expressing her displeasure with the U of I? I guaran-fucking-tee you if this ever happened to my daughter, it would have been handled a day after the incident. Once I got the call saying "I was rape" I would have booked the next flight to campus and raised some fucking hell. Not sat back and waited until I found out I could sue the University. Something seems very fishy. The whole timeline in this. Does that mean the University is not just as much at fault? No. But I think the parents are equally at fault for being passive and not taking the proper steps to make sure it was handled correctly.

As for Kirk......trust me, dude's not a snake. He is what he seems. I don't know the guy personally but I do know people that have played for him and I have never ONCE had any of them say a single negative thing about the guy and I've been told by a few of his former players that he is the exact person he leads on and I'll take their word for it over a bunch of fans and media members that don't know Kirk personally at all. Kirk didn't cover anything up. I have yet to read one thing that would lead me to believe he did anything of the sort. He wouldn't do that. No way. He's as classy of a coach as they come and I'd almost argue that's his biggest problem. Classy coaches don't get recruits. Arrogant, a-hole cheaters do. Just ask Zook.

Sorry JON, Ferentz is a snake.

Why would he tell Tillison(?) and DJK to move back into the empty dorm after he knew that a sexual assault had happened there? This is a guy that doesn't even know that his son is living in low income housing but just happens to take an interest in these two players living arrangements?

Which person out of the following had the most to gain by keeping this covered up?

a) Gary Barta
b) Kirk Ferentz
c) the alleged victims coach
d) the victim
e) Sally Mason

This might end up being the nail in the coffin for Kirk. He damn well knew it could be. With 15+ arrests since last spring, he knew the other shoe would hit the floor. It finally has.

No, you've got it wrong......Ferentz had the most to LOSE. Not gain.

What exactly did he have to gain? Obviously a rape case doesn't look so good, but we're all going to find out about it anyways. Why would Ferentz risk his entire career to cover this up? He wasn't going to lose his job because of a rape case as long as he got rid of the player(s). Kirk's job never would have been in jeopardy and he knew it so why would he cover this up?

So let me see if I have this straight. Kirk covered the whole thing up and the rest of the administration was okay with it? That just doesn't make sense at all.

Believe me, if Ferentz were a snake we would be getting Top 25 recruiting classes every year. None of the Ferentz haters out there are making any sense on this. If Ferentz is the "snake" that people are now calling him why wouldn't he be out buying recruits and maybe using his arrogance in his advantage to go out and get recruits. Playing off that friendly persona doesn't get recruits but that's how Kirk is because he is what he leads on. Ron Zook, Pete Carrol, Bobby Bowden.....those guys are snakes. Kirk Ferentz is not and I still have not seen 1 thing in print that leads me to believe otherwise. How does him putting Tillison and DJK in that room prove he's covering something up? Is it poor judgement? Yeah, probably but he probably had a reason for it and I'm sure it wasn't only his decision. I'll bet Barta had something to do with that. Lay off Kirk about this, you're putting the blame in the wrong place.

The silver lining I find in this "very disturbing" story, is the outrage that JON has expressed as a fan.

It's when you get fans/boosters looking the other way that things really go to hell.

For this, JON gets some respect.

TheJON wrote:No, you've got it wrong......Ferentz had the most to LOSE. Not gain.

What exactly did he have to gain? Obviously a rape case doesn't look so good, but we're all going to find out about it anyways. Why would Ferentz risk his entire career to cover this up? He wasn't going to lose his job because of a rape case as long as he got rid of the player(s). Kirk's job never would have been in jeopardy and he knew it so why would he cover this up?

So let me see if I have this straight. Kirk covered the whole thing up and the rest of the administration was okay with it? That just doesn't make sense at all.

Believe me, if Ferentz were a snake we would be getting Top 25 recruiting classes every year. None of the Ferentz haters out there are making any sense on this. If Ferentz is the "snake" that people are now calling him why wouldn't he be out buying recruits and maybe using his arrogance in his advantage to go out and get recruits. Playing off that friendly persona doesn't get recruits but that's how Kirk is because he is what he leads on. Ron Zook, Pete Carrol, Bobby Bowden.....those guys are snakes. Kirk Ferentz is not and I still have not seen 1 thing in print that leads me to believe otherwise. How does him putting Tillison and DJK in that room prove he's covering something up? Is it poor judgement? Yeah, probably but he probably had a reason for it and I'm sure it wasn't only his decision. I'll bet Barta had something to do with that. Lay off Kirk about this, you're putting the blame in the wrong place.

You're right, he had the most to lose. And maybe my posts are coming off wrong. I'm not just blaming Freerentz for this dabacle. I believe the Pres., AD, and victims coach are just as responsible. He either tried to help cover this up by having the players move back in that room, or he is a complete moron. Kirk is just as guilty as Barta. If I was Kirk and my track record was shit over the last few months I would have done everything in my power to make sure this situation was handled correctly. He didn't and they didn't.

Why would you go to the university rather than the cops?

If you get raped you call 911 not Dean Wormer. Call Dean Wormer when you think a frat's theme party is offensive not when you not when some jock goes Deliverance on your ass.

But I'd say that the school saying they'd handle matters rather than telling the chick to go to the cops is damn questionable and asking for trouble..

Points taken Minor, but like I said it was the middle of a disappointing season and so if you're Kirk you're more likely to let the administration (ahem, Gary Barta) handle it. You've got game preparations to go through and everything else that entails being a major college football coach so why should he be the one to handle it? He needs to remove the alleged attackers from the team (and he did) and let Barta and the rest of the administration handle the rest.

Regardless of what went down with a possible cover up, Barta is still more guilty than Kirk because he's responsible for the athletic department. Kirk isn't. Kirk is just the football coach. Let's say hypothetically Kirk came to Barta and tried to come up with a cover up idea, then Barta's job as AD is to immediately fire him no questions asked. If he doesn't then he should be fired. Any major decision like this is on the AD because it's his responsibility to make sure it's handled properly.

But that said, the victim's parents should have seeked legal counsel and then gone to the police IMMEDIATELY. The parents have no reason to be mad at the handling of the athletic department because they NEVER should have allowed the athletic department to be in a position where they could screw it up since the athletic department shouldn't even be handling a case like this. If it were a simple herrassment case or maybe a football player was in some sort of argument with another athlete, then yeah.....go to Barta and/or the coach(es) and have them mediate this. But a serious felony......go to the cops or at least seek some sort of legal counsel. She never should have gone to the meeting with the coaches and Barta without a lawyer and it's a shame her parents allowed her to. This is another thing her parents failed her on.

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Man, this is a bad scene.

Holy shit, JON, when you said this team needed some leadership, I didn’t realize you were talking about the coaching staff.

I meant leadership EVERYWHERE.

Hey, if Iowa State can change their name to I-State, maybe you guys can change yours to Miami of Iowa.

I keep hearing that the allege victim and her family were stupid not to directly go to the police. I agree somewhat. I think she had a lot of faith and trusted her coach and the Athletic Department too much. That said, why would Iowa even think for a moment that it was smart to handle this themselves? And wasn't Sally Mason involved in some b.s. while at Purdue?

Exactly, which is why I want answers.......NOW! Fuck that damn letter by Sally Mason. I want to know the U of I's side on how things went down and I don't want to wait a year or 6 months. I want answers right away. The U of Iowa owes that to me (and the thousands of alumni/fans just like me). I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to that university for academic or athletics and so I don't think I'm out of line DEMANDING answers. This is really pissing me off. The longer they refuse to give us an explanation or at least a 5 page rebuttal to the victim's family, the worse this looks upon not just any university........but the university I support AND received a degree from.

TheJON wrote:Exactly, which is why I want answers.......NOW! Fuck that damn letter by Sally Mason. I want to know the U of I's side on how things went down and I don't want to wait a year or 6 months. I want answers right away. The U of Iowa owes that to me (and the thousands of alumni/fans just like me). I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to that university for academic or athletics and so I don't think I'm out of line DEMANDING answers. This is really pissing me off. The longer they refuse to give us an explanation or at least a 5 page rebuttal to the victim's family, the worse this looks upon not just any university........but the university I support AND received a degree from.

And now the rest of the story....

http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs. ... 40321/1079

So now the mother is saying that her teamates would taunt her? This is getting strange.

First off, I don't know the mother and neither does anyone so how do we know this is true? I'm not saying it's not, but why is an anonymous person's credibility not under question. Anyone can make accusations behind an anonymous name. I know she wants to keep her daughter anonymous, but I would think someone making accusations like this should be forced to reveil identity. I don't know who her coach is, but I find it very hard to believe her coach was encouraging her team to taunt her. Why on earth would any coach do that? That's probably never happened in the history of sport for the coach of a rape victim to encourage his players to taunt the victim. Something's starting to seem fishy here....

Something just isn't adding up here. I smell a rat. It's almost getting to the point where I wonder what the true intentions of the family is. They criticize the U of Iowa for not taking proper care of her daughter yet she herself completely failed her daughter by not imediately going to the police and going to campus to crack some fucking skulls. She herself did nothing to help her daughter. I feel bad for the daughter because she's had to go through hell yet she's got no reliable person to turn to.

Fact of the matter is the U of Iowa SHOULD have done a better job of helping her out and giving her advice because her mom is a piece of shit. Especially Gary Barta and her coach. They should have gotten the police involved as soon as they found out what a scumbag cunt her parents are as it is obvious they don't really care about their daughter they just care about setting themselves up for a nice lawsuit. I'm sorry but I'm starting to find some of this very hard to believe and until this lady drops the anonymous name how in the heck am I to take her seriously?

I wondered how long it would take for you to start blaming the victim and/or her family, you fucking retard. Read the articles, the university kept assuring the family that it was best to handle the matter internally and that that was being done. The father was contacting Mills and Mims daily. They just hoped to sweep the whole thing under the carpet.

Your university is a great big institutional turd, as are you if you’re trying to defend them.

Shut your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about.

The father contacted Mims and Mills daily? What a fucking idiot. Since when is the University of Iowa's associate AD a fucking policeman?

Ferentz spoke today and said he was not a part of it and wanted nothing to do with the meeting but Barta forced him to attend. Makes perfect sense. Ferentz said exactly what I said earlier on what his role was in this in that he handled the discipline of the players in house and let the administration handle everything else......and that is what he should have done. So to me, Kirk is fine.

Goober, what you're failing to realize (and I understand that being that you're probably the dumbest fuck these boards has ever seen- save for m2) is that I'm blaming EVERYONE but the victim and Kirk. I've many times in this thread called out the U of Iowa for their handlings. I don't doubt for a second that the U of Iowa dropped the ball on this. But the way I see it is the mother is equally (if not moreso) at fault because they, JUST LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, failed this girl. And that's the problem I see in all of this.

So to sit their and claim I'm defending the University of Iowa is just fucking dumb and proves your lack of reading comprehension. Though I expect that from you.

One last time....

The parents NEVER should have allowed the University of Iowa to be in a position where they could screw things up and/or cover things up because they're not the place you go to handle a SERIOUS Felony. You go to the U of Iowa for guidance, not for a way to handle investigating a crime. If you don't think the parents failed this girl just as much as the U of Iowa did you're fucking dumb (so again, I'm not surprised you feel that way based on your horrible posts all over this here board).

No, you shut up.

Something just isn't adding up here. I smell a rat. It's almost getting to the point where I wonder what the true intentions of the family is.

Oh sure, you still place some blame on Miami of Iowa, but now you want to start shifting the blame to the mother. Never mind that these university officials assured the victim and her family that handling it internally was the way to go. And your little Kirkie-pooh is pure as the driven snow. What about moving players back into that room?

As soon as the allegations are proven, anyone from your pitiful university associated with this case should be forced to resign immediately.

JON,
Why are you blaming the Father for contacting Mims and Mills daily instead of the cops? I myself was never recruited but I'm guessing that when someone is they are told that they will be joining a family. Maybe her family didn't have a lot of practice in dealing with the aftermath of a raped daughter? Maybe this one was their first? Looks to me like the University tried to take advantage of a situation and it fucked them in the ass.

Kirk's interview was horrible. It made him look worse. All the rats are ready to throw each other under the bus.

I gotta blame both parties in this. BOTH should have sought to make this a police matter ASAP. Neither did, morons. Iowa made their own bed in this deal. Just saying they'd deal with this themselves can easily be construed as a cover-up.

I gotta blame both parties in this. BOTH should have sought to make this a police matter ASAP. Neither did, morons. Iowa made their own bed in this deal. Just saying they'd deal with this themselves can easily be construed as a cover-up.

Minor,

You're right, this is probably the first time the family has dealt with something like this. But everyone knows when you've got a serious felony on your hands you immediately go seek counsel and get the police involved. Who on earth seeks out an athletic department to handle a rape case? Do you go to your doctor to get your taxes done? Do you go to a salesperson at Best Buy asking for advice on what plants would look good in your backyard?

You see this is exactly my problem with the family. It doesn't make what the administrators at the U of I did any less worse, but this family has got to give their child better guidance than this.

Police are there to handle crimes.
Football coaches are there to coach football.

You trying to tell me the parents don't know that rape is a serious felony? You don't need experience having family members being raped to understand the course of action you need to take in the unfortunate event your daughter is raped.

And also remember, there's 2 sides to every story. While I think it's fact the U of I mucked this up, let's not sit here and rip them apart when you don't know their side and you don't know the mother that's making these allegations. How do you know she's not exaggerating or that she's even a reliable source? She could be full of shit. She could be telling the truth. She could be anything. NO ONE KNOWS HER! The only thing I know about her is she's a horrible parent. That's a fact.

As for Kirk, I thought what he said was within reason. What was wrong with what he said? He expressed concern for the victim, said he got rid of the players and basically said he let those above him handle the rest and that's what he should have done. Kirk is not the person I'm going to if I am a crime victim or if my child is a victim of a crime. GO TO THE POLICE. Period.

TheJON wrote:GO TO THE POLICE. Period.

At least your last thought was right on. This is what everyone involved from the University should have said to the girl and her parents at every opportunity.

I agree Lefty, that's my whole point. But even if they didn't the parents should have had the presence of mind to think "hey, maybe we should go to the police!"

I'm not commenting anymore until I hear both sides. Like I said, none of us know this lady or who she is so how can any of us give her any credibility? She could be flat out lying for all we know. We don't know her well enough to say she is or isn't.

“From a coaching standpoint, there’s not much more I think any of us could do or could’ve done,” Ferentz said. “This issue is certainly a little different than the other ones that we’ve dealt with, but in all cases I think we try to move firmly, quickly, decisively and fairly, and I think we’ve done that. The two parties involved, as you know, were no longer part of the team shortly thereafter, and there’s not much more a coach can do, from my vantage point. We’re not allowed to pass out incarceration sentences or anything of that regard. That’s not my job, and if that is appropriate that will be done by someone else.”


Rack Kirk Ferentz. Some people want to criticize him and question his integrity but they're wrong in doing so.

In Kirk I Trust!