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Come on Barrack, tell us you didn't know she had said this too.

While Obama's association with William Ayers has gained the most attention, we shouldn't forget that Ayers' wife is a special piece of work as well. She too was a terrorist with the Weather Underground. We can probably get a good taste of her character when she actually celebrated the Manson Family slaughter at the house of actress Sharon Tate.

"Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!"

Oh yeah.. Sharon Tate was eight months pregnant when Obama's friends of friends cut open her stomach. Maybe this is why the left loves to support killing the unborn, Dig it?

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I wonder how Obama feels when he looks at this photo? Would he it?

Well, somebody just found my ignore list. Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

BSmack wrote:Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

Facts ?
The Truth ?

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote:Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

Facts ?
The Truth ?

Like a typical leftie. If they can't handle the truth, they put you on the ignore list. Good.. then we won't have to worry about his hatred infecting any of our factual threads. If I smoked pot I'd take a hit right now. But I don't, so I'm going to go take a swig out of the milk jug.

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote:Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

Facts ?
The Truth ?

No, dumbfucks posting gore without the proper tags.

BTW, I wonder what would happen if our associations on this board ever became campaign fodder for the future. Near as I can tell, you've "consorted with" cross dressers, pill addicts, methheads and lunatic fringe types of all different stripes. And tell me there isn't a single poster here aside from maybe Ang who hasn't laughed at the fatal misfortune of others on this very board.

Sorry Tom, these tactics are not only beyond the pale, they are an act of total and complete desperation. There is only one response decent people should have to these tactics of fear, division and hate, and that is unflinching condemnation. For you to even so much as give this kind of tactic even the slightest bit of endorsement only serves to diminish my opinion of you.

BSmack wrote: No, dumbfucks posting gore without the proper tags.

Point taken.


There are rules for posting.


As you were.

BSmack wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote:Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

Facts ?
The Truth ?

No, dumbfucks posting gore without the proper tags.

BTW, I wonder what would happen if our associations on this board ever became campaign fodder for the future. Near as I can tell, you've "consorted with" cross dressers, pill addicts, methheads and lunatic fringe types of all different stripes. And tell me there isn't a single poster here aside from maybe Ang who hasn't laughed at the fatal misfortune of others on this very board.

Sorry Tom, these tactics are not only beyond the pale, they are an act of total and complete desperation. There is only one response decent people should have to these tactics of fear, division and hate, and that is unflinching condemnation. For you to even so much as give this kind of tactic even the slightest bit of endorsement only serves to diminish my opinion of you.

Typical response from somebody who wants to ignore or deflect the truth! LOOK AT IT! That is who Obama sat down to dinner with!!!!!!!!

Time for you to go home, asshole.

BSmack is right in the sense of not properly tagging this thread with a warning of Gore.

He is also correct, IMHO, that "There is only one response decent people should have to these tactics of fear, division and hate, and that is unflinching condemnation."

I agree. The unfortunate truth is that is the keystone of many political strategies. Both Dem and Republican. I am biased at times, try not to be, but I am and I view the Democrats as using this more often than Republicans. But in truth they both do. The Republicans do it along different lines. The Dems constantly use race, sex and class.



All that being said. Questioning, documenting and understanding Obama's relationship with left wing radicals AND what those left wing radicals stand for and did IS NOT out of line. Present the truth, the facts, and let America decide. Had Timothy McVeigh gotten off on a technicality anyone with ties to him who might run for office would receive scrutiny. As well it should.

BSmack wrote:Well, somebody just found my ignore list. Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

He found mine yesterday morning. Looks to be another nutless tard from .net who's afraid of damaging his board cred under his regular nic. My bet would be that it’s Mad Russian.

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:Well, somebody just found my ignore list. Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

He found mine yesterday morning. Looks to be another nutless tard from .net who's afraid of damaging his board cred under his regular nic. My bet would be that it’s Mad Russian.

I was thinking Spamuraiclusterfuck or his whore of a sister (do they still post over there?), but you may be right.

BSmack wrote:Well, somebody just found my ignore list. Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

mvscal wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote:Don't need that kind of stuff popping up out of nowhere.

Facts ?
The Truth ?

Especially that.

La la la la la....CAN'T HEAR YOU....la la la la la

I haven't put either you or Cuda on the ignore list. Or has that fact escaped you?

Well if you're going to bring Manson into it let's remember that the prosecutor who put Manson and his crew away has penned a book.



The same Bush that McCain endorced twice and the same Bush who now endorses McCain. And yes, McCain and this Bush person have sat down to a dinner or two I'm pretty sure.

And Tom, I respect you as a poster here, but you might want to back off this topic too since I believe you probably voted for this Bush person, twice. The same person that Manson's prosecutor believes should be tried for murder.

Q,

Feeling is quite mutual. I am intrigued by this book. I also think it is comparing apples to oranges. Prosecuting Bush for "murder" in holding him accountable for the dead soldiers in Iraq vs. examining the past history and connections of left wing terrorists to a man running for President ?

Both are fair game - if the facts support the case - in the realm of public discourse in my opinion. But Bush is going bye bye, I think the new guy coming in (Obama) is a much more critical issue.

I learned much of Bush after he was elected. I did not want to vote for him in 2000. Subsequent to his election the more I learned, the more interested I became in his family ties and affilations. Quite shady if you ask me. But a shadiness that some might deem necessary as it relates to competition for natural resources. It's a nasty world out there, filled with nasty people, because there are nasty people being nasty to those nasty people .... my life and behavior can be less nasty.

I don't necessarily mind that Obama has ties to Ayers as much as mind the muzzle on it and underplaying of it. Just as I believed Bush and Co should just sack up and say this "vital region" = "natural resources YOU depend on right now" as opposed to bullshit "Axis of Evil" crap. I'd like to hear Obama explain his passion for associating with Freedom Fighters. Remember one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The sixties/seventies were a violent time. KKK types bombing churches, Ayers types bombing recruiting stations etc.. etc.. billy clubs and riots.

If Obama viewed these folks as "Freedom Fighters" I think he should have the balls and say so. Clearly he viewed them as such, in my opinion.


BTW: Check out FromTheWilderness and google Mark Ruppert for some juicy shit. Of course Moby's post a couple of weeks ago is also really entertaining. Some video about the Freemasons, Illuminati and New World Order stuff.

I'm fascinated by that shit. Whether it's confluence of events that make it appear like a conspiracy, a wacky conspiracy, or a real conspiracy it's interesting stuff. Especially after what's gone on the past several weeks.

Obama is a "made man". But if they're prosecuting Bush for getting soldiers killed. Watch out Obama, he's gonna get some killed. Potentially more than Bush as Africa heats up and depending on how Iran plays ball.

Q, West Coast Style wrote:Well if you're going to bring Manson into it let's remember that the prosecutor who put Manson and his crew away has penned a book.



The same Bush that McCain endorced twice and the same Bush who now endorses McCain. And yes, McCain and this Bush person have sat down to a dinner or two I'm pretty sure.

And Tom, I respect you as a poster here, but you might want to back off this topic too since I believe you probably voted for this Bush person, twice. The same person that Manson's prosecutor believes should be tried for murder.

Rack!

Talk about bringing a howitzer to a knife fight.

Prosecution of a president? By who? The people?

Just shut the fuck up already and know your role.

Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of complacency rode the typical, fat American slob drowning in debt and mortgaged to the tits.

Tom In VA wrote: I'd like to hear Obama explain his passion for associating with Freedom Fighters. Remember one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The sixties/seventies were a violent time. KKK types bombing churches, Ayers types bombing recruiting stations etc.. etc.. billy clubs and riots.

If Obama viewed these folks as "Freedom Fighters" I think he should have the balls and say so. Clearly he viewed them as such, in my opinion.

When did Obama call them "Freedom Fighters"? Of course you woudn't put words in his mouth, would you?

(he was 9 years old in 1970, BTW, but you knew that, right?)

Mikey wrote:

Tom In VA wrote: I'd like to hear Obama explain his passion for associating with Freedom Fighters. Remember one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The sixties/seventies were a violent time. KKK types bombing churches, Ayers types bombing recruiting stations etc.. etc.. billy clubs and riots.

If Obama viewed these folks as "Freedom Fighters" I think he should have the balls and say so. Clearly he viewed them as such, in my opinion.

When did Obama call them "Freedom Fighters"? Of course you woudn't put words in his mouth, would you?

(he was 9 years old in 1970, BTW, but you knew that, right?)

Amen!

He was only 8
The guy was just a dude in the 'hood
I didn't know
Oh, I thought he was rehabilitated

Sounds logical to me. I think I'm going to change my support.

-rozy
Your 2008 charter member of the NeoMarxocrat Party

~ In a radio interview with Philadelphia talkshow host Michael Smerconish, Sen. Obama said he “had assumed” that the 60s radical had been rehabilitated because Mr. Ayers and his terrorist-wife Bernardine Dorhn were working as university professors when they helped him launch his political career in their home.
“It never occurred to me,” said Sen. Obama, “that a university professor could be an America-hater who was actively working to bring down the U.S. government.” ~



I guess we're supposed to think that it never crossed B.O.'s mind to ... ask ... these people if they had been 'rehabilitated' ... or if they were still America-haters who wanted to bring down the government.

lol

Very much like how B.O. was ... somehow ... oblivious to the fact that his bestest buddy of 20 years is a racist America-hating shit-stain.

Damn, this guy sure is good at playing "Don't mind me, I'm just a complete dumbfuck" when it suits his needs.

Mikey wrote:When did Obama call them "Freedom Fighters"? Of course you woudn't put words in his mouth, would you?

(he was 9 years old in 1970, BTW, but you knew that, right?)

Ayers and the Weather Underground was an organization that used bombs to get their point across. While the acts were committed when Obama was 9, his alliance and affiliation with Ayers is quite recent. I have every right in the world to know the depth of Obama's relationship with Ayers and whether or not Obama agrees with Ayers idealogies. Afterall, he's asking for my vote too you know.

BSmack wrote:Rack!

Talk about bringing a howitzer to a knife fight.

The air is nice and crisp, the leaves are changing colors, and both NFL and NHL are in full swing. C'mon out and enjoy it man. I guess it's warm up there, but really, you're gonna hurt your back and eating what you've already eaten can't be good for you.

Pull it out man, just yank it right on out of there. It might hurt at first, but you'll be glad you did.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mikey wrote:When did Obama call them "Freedom Fighters"? Of course you woudn't put words in his mouth, would you?

(he was 9 years old in 1970, BTW, but you knew that, right?)

Ayers and the Weather Underground was an organization that used bombs to get their point across. While the acts were committed when Obama was 9, his alliance and affiliation with Ayers is quite recent. I have every right in the world to know the depth of Obama's relationship with Ayers and whether or not Obama agrees with Ayers idealogies. Afterall, he's asking for my vote too you know.

So, when did he call them "Freedom Fighters"? Or are you admitting that you made that part up.

If you want to know the depth of his "relationship" with Ayers, it's been examined over and over in the press ever since the Democratic primaries. If you have something that the rest of us don't know about why don't you spit it out?

I swear to God and GOD it's almost funny watching you people melt into stinking little pools of purtified hate over this election. And it's still three weeks away. What will come next?

mikey wrote: What will come next?

hysterical accusations of hatemongering

Cuda wrote:

mikey wrote: What will come next?

hysterical accusations of hatemongering

Hysterical?

Bwa!

You couldn't be farther from the truth.
I'm sitting back and having a great time watching you fuckers melt in epic paroxysms of bile and bitterness.

Mikey wrote:I swear to God and GOD it's almost funny watching you people melt into stinking little pools of purtified hate over this election. And it's still three weeks away. What will come next?

Nobody is melting here except you and vast numbers of Obama supporters. You melt when we call Ayers a terrorist, you melt when we call Ayers a "Freedom Fighter".

What is he ? You would like me to believe he is a benevolent English Professor only. I'm not buying that.

Again.

Ayers and the Weather Underground was an organization that used bombs to get their point across. While the acts were committed when Obama was 9, his alliance and affiliation with Ayers is quite recent. I have every right in the world to know the depth of Obama's relationship with Ayers and whether or not Obama agrees with Ayers idealogies. Afterall, he's asking for my vote too you know.

Is it okay to use bombs to get your point across ? If it is, then why is asking Obama about his relationship with a "bomber" so out of line ?

It's not. Stop hyperventilating and try to look at this objectively.


P.S. Yes, I chose the words "Freedom Fighter". One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I specified as such in the original post.

Tom In VA wrote:
Is it okay to use bombs to get your point across ?

You know, 10 years ago that would have been a snap to answer by most Americans. But now...

The problem with vilifying Ayers is that more and more Americans are seeing the State as the enemy and guys like Ayers as a desperate solution.

Kind of like shooting abortion doctors...

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:
Is it okay to use bombs to get your point across ?

You know, 10 years ago that would have been a snap to answer by most Americans. But now...

The problem with vilifying Ayers is that more and more Americans are seeing the State as the enemy and guys like Ayers as a desperate solution.

Kind of like shooting abortion doctors...

Not entirely. McVeigh and Nichols have/had their sympathizers as do the Unabombers and Eric Rudolphs of the U.S. We've always had domestic terrorists who some perceived as "Freedom Fighters".

I'm not villifying Ayers, I don't agree with villifying Ayers - at least not yet - but I would like the same amount of scrutiny placed upon a candidate for President who has connections to Ayers as there would be:

1. Any Federal employee or contractor trying to get a security clearance.
2. Any other candidate for the head of the executive branch.

Let's face facts, this country among the others in the world, is violent. We use violence as a means. It's human nature.

I don't have a problem with that. It's as human as taking a shit. I'm not as concerned about the methods as much as the idealogies. Does he share the same idealogies as Ayers ? The bitching and complaining about people bringing Ayers up is simply just a smoke screen to deflect away from the substance - if any exists - of Barack Obama.

Presidents and government officials make deals with violent criminals all the time.

I only ask that you stop being such a pussy about it, Tom.

Martyred wrote:Presidents and government officials make deals with violent criminals all the time.

I only ask that you stop being such a pussy about it, Tom.

Well gee Marty I wouldn't want to be a pussy about this, what direction should I take ? Forget about it ?

I don't think wanting to know the level of Obama's affinity for Ayers and crew is being a pussy. If it is, please let me know and in 30 words or less why.

You have 10 minutes to complete this question.

Why do you accuse anybody who challenges your assumptions of "hyperventilating"?

You might want to try stepping up to a mirror sometime, Tom.

There's plenty of information out there regarding Obama's "relationship" with Ayers, and Obama has repudiated Ayers' actions on more than one occasion.

If you had half a brain in your hyperventilating head you would type "Obama Ayers relationship" into Google and see that even fair and balanced FOX News was looking into it as far back as April and couln't come up with anything to hang Obama with. I guess you won't be satisfied until somebody confirms that Obama was actually a card carrying member of the Sons of the Weathermen or something, eh?

I don't care if you or anybody else brings it up every day from now until eternity. You're only making youself look like a "hyperventilating" moron. Research it yourself you pathetic fucking handwringer.

Seriously, you're being a baby.

It's Democrats that are supposed to be knee-jerk reactionaries to Republican positions, not the other way around.
You're making us all look bad.

Mikey wrote:Why do you accuse anybody who challenges your assumptions of "hyperventilating"?

Because you were. Read the thread again. You got your panties in a knot because I used the word "Freedom Fighter". Nowhere in there did I say Obama used that word. Never.

Do I hyperventilate sometimes ? Yes.

Apparently Marty thinks I am right now. Let's take a look.

Martyred wrote:Seriously, you're being a baby.

It's Democrats that are supposed to be knee-jerk reactionaries to Republican positions, not the other way around.
You're making us all look bad.

Stand down ?

Panties?

Keep your sick fantasies to yourself, Tom.

You used the term Freedom Fighter. I just asked you where you got it. If you thinkt that's hyperventilating, then I would suggest that you need to work on your cardios a little more.

Tom In VA wrote:

Martyred wrote:Seriously, you're being a baby.

It's Democrats that are supposed to be knee-jerk reactionaries to Republican positions, not the other way around.
You're making us all look bad.

Stand down ?

Step off.

Goober McTuber wrote:
Step off.

Clever girl.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:
Step off.

Clever girl.

That's about the third time you've gone with that response in the last week. Hard to come up with something new when you're HYPERVENTILATING?

Mikey wrote: You used the term Freedom Fighter. I just asked you where you got it.

Not sure where the quote originated. Just heard it thrown about. Variations include "One man's terrorist is another man's revolutionary".

Goober McTuber wrote: That's about the third time you've gone with that response in the last week. Hard to come up with something new when you're HYPERVENTILATING?

Third in a week ? No way. You got a good shot in, I left a flank exposed and you nailed me with a one liner. I'm not hyperventilating I'm acknowledging your clever witticisms.