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Who is this ?

Google tells me that it might have been Obama's name once. Is that supposed to mean something?

It means we know very little about the man calling himself Barack Obama that's for sure.

Tom In VA wrote:It means we know very little about the man calling himself Barack Obama that's for sure.

You're kidding, right?

If you know "very little" about Barack Obama, it is because you have lived in a cave the last two years. So do us all a favor Tom and tell Osama to come out with his hands up.

Nope, I never knew he went by the name of Barry Soetoro.

I knew the basics, but not the details of his colorful life. Where and when did you find this information out ? His book ?


As for marching into the Hindu Kush and arresting a figurehead - Good Luck, if it was as easy, strategically, tactically and logistically feasible to do so, it would have been done now. Osama Bin Laden himself, has been rendered pretty impotent at this point, he might not even be alive for all you know.

This is supposed to be something new? This BS has been circulating since August or before.

Grasping at straws much you senile dementia addled fuck?

Don't forget to keep claiming that anybody who is against your candidate must be un-American.

Barack Obama took his adoptive father's name (Soetoro) at the age of five, and eventually changed it back. I guess that this type of thing is really unusual, except among Presidential candidates...

Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old.

Mikey wrote: Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old.

why do you hate America?

Felix wrote:

Mikey wrote: Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old.

why do you hate America?

Because they keep electing un-Americans.

BSmack wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:It means we know very little about the man calling himself Barack Obama that's for sure.

You're kidding, right?

If you know "very little" about Barack Obama, it is because you have lived in a cave the last two years. So do us all a favor Tom and tell Osama to come out with his hands up.

Why don't you just tell us all about him, Monica?

Don't leave anything out

Shouldn't take you more than a paragraph or two

Tom In VA wrote:Good Luck, if it was as easy, strategically, tactically and logistically feasible to do so, it would have been done now. Osama Bin Laden himself, has been rendered pretty impotent at this point, he might not even be alive for all you know.

Tom's right about this.

Osama has been persecuted enough. If there was a "statute of limitations" on this sort of thing, it would have run out long ago.

Leave this courageous, misunderstood freedom-fighter alone.

The big guy upstairs is keeping your 72 virgins warm, Tom. Well done, my boy.

Well crafted post Marty. Please outline the risk and cost/benefit of chasing Osama in the Hindu Kush.

The simple fact is, where he is alleged to be located is an area that has been isolated for centuries. There is little to no success of getting a "team" up there without him knowing. The element of surprise is all but impossible. Further it not very feasible to mount any kind of large scale attack due to the logistical obstacles. The elevation, the terrain, AND the fact that area is inhabited by tribes who've existed there for centuries would make getting men and materials and the logistical support they'd need - almost impossible. And of course, the element of surprise would be negated.

Combatting Al Queda in Iraq and the Talliban in Afghanistan is being guided and directed by experts in the field. Attacking and monitoring their flow of money in order to stifle the influx of cash to fund Al Q's operations is being done.

I trust the judgement of the men and women with experience and "human intelligence" about his matter more than emtpy rhetoric from people on a message board or those running for office. Most of the information I've read was summed up in the first paragraph. I am confident when Obama and Biden take office, they will be informed of the same thing and they too will defer any imagined rush to the Hindu Kush. Of course if proponents of this course of action think Iraq was tough, they haven't seen anything yet.

I know why you want it, any dead American is a good American to you.

Who knows, it might work. The country and media tend to rally around Presidents getting GI's killed as long as those Presidents are Democrats. 20th Century statistics prove that.

Tom In VA wrote:Well crafted post Marty. Please outline the risk and cost/benefit of chasing Osama in the Hindu Kush.

Whoa...I'm with you on this, buddy.

Leave Osama alone. He's suffered enough.

I'm not kidding.

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Well crafted post Marty. Please outline the risk and cost/benefit of chasing Osama in the Hindu Kush.

Whoa...I'm with you on this, buddy.

Leave Osama alone. He's suffered enough.

I hear his kidneys give him some pain.

Climbing all those mountains CAN NOT be good for his gout.

Cruel and inhuman. BACK OFF!

mvscal wrote:That is correct. For instance, where was he really born? He placed an obviously fraudulent birth certificate on his website and now the governor of Hawaii has sealed his record. Does he hold dual citizenship?

These unanswered questions speak directly to his Constitutional eligibility for the office of President and it seems like they ought to be pretty simple to answer if he really is who he claims to be.

Nobody seriously believes Obama isn't a native born American citizen. Period. For starters, you don't think Bill and Hillary wouldn't have used that against him? You seriously think the Republican Governor of Hawaii is engaged in a conspiracy to deprive the McCain campaign of amunition that would ensure their ultimate victory?

Go suck off a hand grenade you fool.

Of course it's all fair game. You don't think they would have come up with something by now if there was anyting to come up with? You don't think the Republicans have been digging furiously to come up with anything that they can (after the Clintons gave up)?

Do you really think that the crackpot Phillip Berg's case is going to the Supreme Court?



What fantasy land are you living in?

It was already tossed from the District Court in Philly.

Nobody but Koolaid swilling fuckwits like you ever took it seriously in the first place.

Keep swilling Berg's Koolaid dumbfuck.

The proof was posted months ago.

Actually, you have no right to see anybody's birth certificate that isn't a member of your family, whether they are running for President or not.

Congress does, but they have no right to disclose any information on that birth certificate to you. The only way you know if he's eligible or not, is if they allow him to be president, which they are.

You are making a big assumption that nobody has checked into his records. And making a stupid assumption that he's not American born. You have no idea what kind of background checks he's already been through for this process, because that's all private information that won't be publicly disclosed, unless Obama wants to disclose it himself.

So far only nutbags, with no right to see it, are asserting that they haven't seen his "real" birth certificate.

Actually, it seems that producing a certified birth certificate would be a pretty easy way of exposing the nutters as... nutters.

It'd also be significantly cheaper than paying lawyers to fight it out in court to keep from having to produce a certified birth certificate.

Realistically, even of Onogger were technically ineligible to be president, throwing him off the ballot now would cause the jigs to fucking go apeshit, so that ain't gonna happen

Cuda wrote: Realistically, even of Onogger were technically ineligible to be president, throwing him off the ballot now would cause the jigs to fucking go apeshit, so that ain't gonna happen

No...Realistically if he was ineligible to be president, he wouldn't have gotten this far. But none of the dumbfucks that believe this shit are looking at anything realistically.

Mikey wrote:

I considered all this birth certificate stuff to be distracting bullshit until now. If this is what the Onogga campaign posted as a birth certificate, no wonder people don't buy it; it's an obvious phony

in 1961, "African" wasn't considered a race. It isn't even a "race" now.

Back then, BHO Sr. would have been considered "Negro"- regardless of his Nationality

And this "knowledge" comes from the extended period of time you spent in Hawaii in 1961, I suppose.

Are you seriously trying to say that "African" was EVER a racial classification, anywhere?

mvscal wrote:

Mikey wrote:Barack Obama took his adoptive father's name (Soetoro) at the age of five,

And did he take his adoptive father's Indonesian citizenship as well?

Show me where he did.

Cuda wrote:Are you seriously trying to say that "African" was EVER a racial classification, anywhere?

Are you seriously sayint that is wasn't?

Mikey wrote:

Cuda wrote:Are you seriously trying to say that "African" was EVER a racial classification, anywhere?

Are you seriously sayint that is wasn't?

It stands to reason that a black man from Africa would be categorized differently than a black man born in the United States. More likely than not, Barack Obama Sr. wrote African in the field for race himself on the application for the birth certificate.

Yes, dumbfuck, I'm saying exactly that

"African" is not and never has been considered a race

B-Monica wrote:It stands to reason that a black man from Africa would be categorized differently than a black man born in the United States

No it doesn't, you fucking moron. Actually, "African" isn't even a nationality. BHO Sr's race (especially un 1961) would have been "Negro", just as Onogga's white trash momma's race was "caucasian"

You still haven't filled anybody in on how you came across this most impotant piece of historical knowledge.

Let me guess...because you said so.

Nice try.

it's COMMON knowledge you brain dead fuck

Cuda wrote:it's COMMON knowledge you brain dead fuck

And you're not fooling anybody, dickface.


COMMON knowledge? Give me a fucking break.
You wouldn't know COMMON knowledge if it came out your ass in a bloody stream.

Science gave him to us to level the playing field.

Fairness Doctrines, Wealth Redistributions, Reparations, and Karma.

Louis Farakhan says the Messiah Speaks through Him.
The UN has a woody over the prospects He will be President.
The French, 85% of them want Obama.
Euros everywhere, Muslims everywhere, all the educated homeless, ex-cons, and mental patients ACORN could round up.

Face it.

He's THE ONE..
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"Negro" was the official racial classification in use until the mid '70's when the jigaboos started demanding to be classified as "Black". That is common knowledge. The fact that Mikey doesn't "know" it doesn't make it not common knowledge, it makes Mikey a fucking retard.

Cuda wrote:"Negro" was the official racial classification in use until the mid '70's when the jigaboos started demanding to be classified as "Black". That is common knowledge. The fact that Mikey doesn't "know" it doesn't make it not common knowledge, it makes Mikey a fucking retard.

And you can't show that the term "African" was not a legitimate entry on a birth certificate in Hawaii in 1961 for a father from Africa. Or are you claiming that it's "common knowledge"?

You're about a thick as a bag of bricks, aren't you?

Tom In VA wrote:
He's THE ONE..

Maybe we should start calling him Youngblood.

As entertaining as Cooter's stupidity can be, we should remember that his entire "the birth certificate was forged" argument is rendered moot by the fact that his mother was an American citizen. Ergo, so is Obama.

Mikey wrote:And you can't show that the term "African" was not a legitimate entry on a birth certificate in Hawaii in 1961 for a father from Africa. Or are you claiming that it's "common knowledge"?

I don't have to prove that it wasn't, asshole. You're asserting that it was, so it's up to you to prove it.

I can't wait to see what you crap up

Cooter, you ignorant twat.

Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp

Cuda wrote:

Mikey wrote:And you can't show that the term "African" was not a legitimate entry on a birth certificate in Hawaii in 1961 for a father from Africa. Or are you claiming that it's "common knowledge"?

I don't have to prove that it wasn't, asshole. You're asserting that it was, so it's up to you to prove it.

I can't wait to see what you crap up

You're the one disputing the authenticity of the birth certificate. It certainly is up to you to prove your point.

I won't hold my breath waiting.

From the Hawaii Department of Health.

They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

What's the matter, Cooter, cock got your tongue?