Re: If you are honest...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:38 am
Go cling to your gun or read your Bible, 88, you friggin' simpleton.
The media knows what's best for you.
The media knows what's best for you.
Yet another reasonable take. Fact is, media has always been biased, whether the motivation is capitalistic, idealogical, or both.PSUFAN wrote:I think it's true that "the left" gets a lot of media play. After all, those folks were communications majors in college, possibly more Dem than the business kids.
However, what does it matter who the media wants to see elected? The people voted Bush 2 into office for a second term, didn't they? That flew in the face of what the media was pushing, right?
There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes
No, but all the white wanna be tough guys who aren't as hard working as they think they are and who feel their existance and manhood threatened by Obama are all in the tank for McCain.R-Jack wrote:AM?Q, West Coast Style wrote:But am radio and fox news is completely in the tank for McCain.
I highly doubt all those beaner music stations and sports talk retards are all pro-McCain.
But what about the cartoons?88 wrote:AM radio is not the Press. The shows are advertised and held out to be conservative talk shows. And the liberals have Air America, which I listen to more than anything else on radio.
One has to ask - when has thorough investigation and reporting been something that affects presidential elections? Again, there was plenty to grouse over in the days leading up to the 2004 election, but it did not have the effect that this line of reasoning might suggest it would have. Bush 2 got another term.They used to spend the time to investigate complicated and difficult issues and bring them to light.
Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
By Orson Scott Card
Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.
An open letter to the local daily paper — almost every local daily paper in America:
I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.
This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.
They end up worse off than before.
This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.
Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)
Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?
I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."
Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.
As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" ( http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com <http://snipurl.com/457to> ] ): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.
Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!
What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?
Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.
And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.
If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.
But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign — because that campaign had sought his advice — you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.
You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.
If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.
If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.
There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)
If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.
Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.
But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie — that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad — even bad weather — on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.
If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.
Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means . That's how trust is earned.
Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.
So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?
Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?
You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.
That's where you are right now.
It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.
If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.
You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.
This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
2nd.PSUFAN wrote:I didn't think that the original post was exploring culpability for the financial crisis...and how major print media outlets are investigating it. Rather, it appeared to be focused on Obama's background. Nonetheless, I agree - that's an excellent piece by Card.
The original post didn't focus on the financial crisis, but Card's piece isn't really, either. It's simply using it as a glaring example of how the media operates.PSUFAN wrote:I didn't think that the original post was exploring culpability for the financial crisis...and how major print media outlets are investigating it. Rather, it appeared to be focused on Obama's background. Nonetheless, I agree - that's an excellent piece by Card.
I'm not with him on those points.Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.
Hmmm. When it boils down to Palin vs. Obama it was a matter of being in a positiion to make decisions. Sometimes, tough decisions. There's a difference between being on a board and chiming in vs. being an executive - a point of accountability. As governor Palin was in that hot seat. Obama has always been in positions where he can equivocate, fall back on platitudes, and it's not clear where he stands on many things. That being said .....PSUFAN wrote: If Obama's ignorance and naivete can be categorized as anywhere near that of Palin, I have yet to see that case made successfully. He has made some gaffes, as certainly McCain has as well.
Too much weight is given to this. If that's the yardstick, Dubya should be a great prez by now, what with having over 10 yrs of combined state & federal executive experience.Tom In VA wrote:As far as executive level experience Palin gets the nod.
Don't leave out magazines like Time and Newsweek.88 wrote: The Press I am speaking of are the newspapers.
Why should they support her? Palin's against everything they stand for.Ang wrote:Another thing you will never see in the press...old time hardcore feminists supporting Palin.
You are one thick-headed fucking tard who should join Whitey Faggon on a swim with concrete boots. Comparing Palin and Rice is almost as idiotic as the latest version of Paul slamming the submit button: Rice is a brilliant woman who has a proven track record of success. Palin, on the other hand, is not only one of the dumbest gashes to ever hold public office, but one of the dumbest people on the face of the fucking earth. Despite what the RNC and the rest of you lock-in-step tards seem to think, having a hot ass and a $150k wardrobe doesn't qualify you to hold office.Wolfman wrote:I have never seen anything like the all out assault on Governor Palin. Like Condi Rice--she is "her own woman" and not in a position because of her husband.
Neither is Obama, so what's your point?BSmack wrote: And she's also not even remotely qualified to be President of the United States.
You are wrong about Obama. As you will find out over the next 8 years.War Wagon wrote:Neither is Obama, so what's your point?BSmack wrote: And she's also not even remotely qualified to be President of the United States.
And Obama is? please explain.BSmack wrote:And she's also not even remotely qualified to be President of the United States.
Sort of Agree. The perfect example of a man who had both the executive level experience AND the ability to lead and eloquence to get "buy in" from the "stakeholders" was William Jefferson Clinton.Smackie Chan wrote: Too much weight is given to this. If that's the yardstick, Dubya should be a great prez by now, what with having over 10 yrs of combined state & federal executive experience.
I acknowledged that Mr. Bitters.Mikey wrote:Obama has as much "executive experience" running his campaign for two years as Palin has had as Governor.
Yes, it was a headline for about a week or so, but I think Card's insinuation was that it was known for month's prior.PSUFAN wrote:As for John Edwards...boy, I certainly remember that being a headline for a few weeks. Suggesting it wasn't seems a little misguided.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton confirms Drudge's report that two right-leaning papers, the Washington Times and the New York Post, have lost their seats on the Obama plane, along with the Dallas Morning News.
"We're trying to reach as many swing voters that we can and unfortunately had to make some tough choices. but we are accommodating these folks in every way possible," he said.
PSUFAN wrote:George W. Bush has made a career of proving that you can be ignorant and still be in a position of importance.
Seems like the more legitimate the post the more vitriolic the response from this load of over-intimidated goo.mvscal wrote:What load of motherfucking bullshit. Go fuck yourself, you retarded douche. You make Wolfman look like William F. Buckley.Mikey wrote:Obama has as much "executive experience" running his campaign for two years as Palin has had as Governor.
I'm not exactly sure what your point is. If it is that Kerry and Gore were poor choices for the Dems to run at Bush, then I totally agree.Sirfindafold wrote:PSUFAN wrote:George W. Bush has made a career of proving that you can be ignorant and still be in a position of importance.
Yeah, its hard to believe W has accomplished so much, especially when the dems throw such stalwarts at him like al gore and john kerry.
Does he have an 80% approval rating?Mikey wrote:Obama has as much "executive experience" running his campaign for two years as Palin has had as Governor.
You could probably provide much more incisive commentary in the American swill thread. Just sayin’.trev wrote:Does he have an 80% approval rating?Mikey wrote:Obama has as much "executive experience" running his campaign for two years as Palin has had as Governor.
Just addressing Mikey's "comparison."PSUFAN wrote:I'm trying to reconcile the "stop bashing Sarah" routine with the "80% approval rating".
WTF does "approval rating" have to do with executive experience?trev wrote:Just addressing Mikey's "comparison."PSUFAN wrote:I'm trying to reconcile the "stop bashing Sarah" routine with the "80% approval rating".