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Tough loss, great game. Unfortunately now, we'll have to put up with Noj and his "Kirk Ferentz bound for the NFL" takes all fucking week. God and G0d damn it!

tough for osu fan.. chance for a b10 champ share.. but no chance for a rose bowl birth..

oh well. good game iowa.. cant throw that int that late in the game killer!

I'm up to my neck in Hawkeye bullshit now.

A little surprising but no huge shock. I really don't know why Iowa wasn't more respected going into this game. At home, and sound on both sides of the ball.

Penn St Rose Bowl: Win out and they go
OSU Rose Bowl: Win out and need PSU to lose
MSU Rose Bowl: Win out and need OSU to lose

I was going to start a thread for this, but I see no need.

Major props to the Hawkeyes! They played a hell of a game. Their defense was very good, and the second half was excellent for their offense. Their QB seemed to grow up a lot right in front of our eyes. They scrapped and earned a solid win over a good PSU team.

PSU, I think, was not overrated. They are a good team, but their offense is not as strong as it needs to be. In our one really solid win so far, over tOSU, the cracks in the offense started to show a bit. I think that for 8 games we overwhelmed a combination of lesser teams and teams that are experiencing a transition.

I think PSU was vulnerable to a team that played a solid game on both sides of the ball, and that happened today.

I'm still very hopeful about PSU for this season, and for the future. I think a lot of good progress has been made with the offense, and the defense is also very good.

I tried to wear the avatar of each upcoming opponent as a reminder that a great season is achieved by regarding and defeating them one at a time. I have to admit, I personally was beginning to get into the arguments about the BCS, and other teams' seasons. I think the whole team started doing that, and the fact that we had a bye after a big win probably accentuated that...too much time to sit and think about how great we were.

I haven't been to the homer board yet. I'm headed there now, and I'm going to dive right into the thick of the first "THE REFS SCREWED US!!!" thread I see...and get fucking busy tearing ass.

The best news of all is no Big 10 embarassment in the MNC game this year...

We are all grateful.

The Seer wrote:The best news of all is no Big 10 embarassment in the MNC game this year...

We are all grateful.

Agree, don't have to see Joe Pa get smacked around in the MNC-game. Also nice to see the BCS shaken-up. I think the SEC and 12 champs play for all the donuts.

Congrats to Mace and JON on a nice win.

NO congrats to JON. That fucker hasn't shown his face since since Iowa lost to Northwestern...you know, when he said Iowa would be dominant if Stanzi was the starter.

The Seer wrote:The best news of all is no Big 10 embarassment in the MNC game this year...

We are all grateful.

Every MNC game has to be lost by one of the teams.

We hear so much about 2 tOSU MNC title game losses...but nothing about 4 straight BCS losses by OU? Not to pick on them, but...

Is there anyone classier than PSUFAN? That's the way to respond when your team loses. I feel for you, man, and I've been there (though I usually break things and curse the gods). Like you said though, it's still a great year and I sincerely hope you win the Rose Bowl.

BTW...I posted that ^^^ before I saw your last post. Didn't want you to think I was being sarcastic.

It's all good...OU has sucked in the BCS.

I appreciate that, Stoopsie. I think it's simple good sportsmanship to recognize when you lose a game...that losing is an integral part of the experience of backing a team. I think we have a lot of folks here who practice good sportsmanship, and that's one of the reasons why we're a long-standing group that enjoys posting together.

My son was really upset after watching the one point loss. I think it was a really valuable experience for him to take it in and feel that disappointment, and learn how to process it. I told him that we can't win every game, sometimes we get beat. My wife was concerned that he became too upset, but I explained to her that he would feel really bad for a bit, then he would come to terms with it and be fine. That's what ended up happening.

I certainly mean no disrespect to OU. They too have deserved their BCS berths, they have simply lost those games. It's just that a whole lot of emphasis is placed on tOSU losing two games, that seems to be on the tips of everyone's tongues when the Big 10 is discussed. As analysis goes, that seems a little incomplete to me.

Agreed on all points. I do think the Big 12 is playing at a better level this year than the Big 10 but the whole "strength of conference" argument is pretty meaningless. See USC for proof.

Just got home from the game......

Where to begin?.....

I'll start with Penn State......

I said at halftime to the peeps I was with that teams that when one team beats the snot out of a quality opponent up and down the field for 1 half of football but does not drop the hammer on them almost always lose. Penn State absolutely dominated Iowa in the first half. But they kept us within 1 play. That's all the Hawks needed was 1 big play and Penn State's national title hopes went down the drain for one simple reason.......they couldn't put us away when they had us on the ropes. You can't beat another team as badly as PSU did in the 1st half and only go into the lockeroom up by 6 and expect to win on the road against a good football team. Not when your national title hopes are on the line. I thought Penn State's playcalling was horrible. The middle of the field was there for the taking and they absolutely refused to take advantage of Iowa's weakness......even in the first half. Oh sure, they controlled the clock and had long drives in the 1st half but they left a lot of points on the field. They needed to keep Clark in the pocket more instead of rolling him out and running. I know, I know.....they were marching down the field nearly at will. But they didn't put us away because they couldn't come up with a big play. It was 5 yards here, 5 yards there. Our defense was tired and our safeties aren't real good. So why not take more shots down field? I truly believe they would have been up at least 20-7 at half had they done that.

But with that said, Penn State is a very good team. They have a lot of talent and they're physical. To people who claim the Big-10 doesn't have speed......you're dumb. There was a lot of speed out on the field today on BOTH sides. Iowa and Penn State had 2 of the most athletic front 7's I've ever seen in person and I've seen a crap load of football games from teams of every major conference.


Now onto Iowa......

What the heck can I say? I'll say this......I have no voice right now. I feel like I played in the game. I'm tired as heck, yet sobering up! That atmosphere was so fucking awesome. I literally forgot that I was even cold out there! Everyone was so into the game, the crowd was electric. I didn't even realize how cold I was until I walked back to the car after the game and then I realized I had no feeling in any part of my body below my junk nor could I feel my fingers. If you've ever given someone a high five with frozen hands it stings like a beeyotch!!

Anyways, onto the Hawkeyes.....

This win is more than just "we beat the #3 team in the country". It's 4 years in the waiting. This program has needed something like this for 4 years. The last 2 years, we had a team full of quitters. They had no heart. They played with no emotion. But this year it's different. We suffered 4 losses by 12 total points to teams I believe we were better then. But this team wasn't losing because lack of effort or lack of emotion. They just couldn't quite get over the hump. When Stanzi fumbled that snap in the 4th quarter, it looked like the game was over. But this team battles......even in defeat. I know it's better to be the worst 10-0 team in the country than it is to be the best 6-4 team, but this is as good of a 6-4 football team you will ever see. 4 plays from 10-0.....4 frickin' plays. I guess that's what happens when you have 3 seniors on both sides of the ball.

The odd part about this is our 4 close losses came against teams Iowa is probably better than but our 1 close win on the year came against the team that's better than us. But I couldn't be any prouder of this football team. Every player on this team deserves props. Not only for today, but for this entire season. They fight to the end. 6-4 is nothing special, but this win just salvaged our season. 8-4 and a trip to the Outback Bowl is a very strong possibility and that's a damn fine accomplishment for a team that's one of the youngest in the country. I just knew if this team kept battling, a break would eventually go our way. We've run so bad in terms of breaks for quite a while and we finally got a couple of breaks today and took advantage of them. Persistence pays off......it's just a shame nobody informed the 2006 and 2007 Iowa football teams of that.

As for the players......

Shonn Greene.......I said a couple years ago he was the best RB on the team and new he was poised for a big year. But I never would have guessed anything like this. He didn't have his best game today, but I think he's earned his way to New York in December. He's not worthy of winning, but he is deserving of being in the Top 4-5. I know you'll say I'm a homer, but Shonn Greene is the best running back in America.

Ricky Stanzi.......When he holds onto the football, he's an excellent QB. I really wish the coaches would have given him some PT last year so he wouldn't be as inexperienced as he is right now. He makes mistakes, but that's understandable given his lack of experience. But 2 weeks in a row, he's led us to impressive 4th quarter rallies. Like PSUFAN said, we saw a QB grow up right before our eyes.

Mitch King.......This guy may not have the stats to show it, but he's as good of a DT as there is in the country. We've struggled a lot as a team in his career but it sure as heck has absolutely nothing to do with his play. He blows up so many plays. Offensive linemen continue to hold him and get away with it play after play, but it doesn't phase him. He is one of my all-time favorite Hawkeyes. It's just a shame he couldn't be a few years older so he would have gotten to play during the "Glory years".

Daniel Murray......You're certainly not a top kicker, and I'm still not quite sure why Ferentz elected to go with you to kick the game winner, but Danny boy.......you ain't never gonna have to buy a beer in the state of Iowa ever again!!

The defense.......I have never in my life seen a defensive unit battle like they did today. They were on the field nearly the entire first half but sucked it up and completely shut down the PSU offense in the 2nd half. An amazing performance for one of the best units in the nation.


Onto the reffing......

There sure seemed to be some really bad calls....both sides. I don't know, maybe I saw it wrong from the stands but there was a lot of calls against both teams that were mind boggling. I'm curious, PSUFAN, what the heck happened on that fumble on PSU's 1st possession? I was sitting right in front of that play and while I didn't actually see who recovered the football since it was impossible to tell without TV replay, I'm 100% certain that whoever recovered it didn't recover it OUTSIDE the end zone. To me, there were 2 possible calls (and I have no idea which would have been the right call since they don't show replays of questionable calls).....either it was a safety or an Iowa TD. But how did they give PSU the ball on the 1 yardline? Any explanation from the TV announcers??

What about the Stanzi non-grounding play on our final drive? Didn't look like he was outside the pocket but I didn''t see PSU's sideline doing much complaining so maybe I'm just blind! And there were tons of other strange calls in this game, but I guess that's just the way it is in college football anymore.


Lastly, I just wanna say how classy Penn State fans were. We sat right next to the Penn State section and tailgated this morning with a few of their fans and they were very complimentary of Iowa. No excuses, no blaming the refs.....nothing but class unlike Wisconsin fans a few weeks ago when we kicked their ass. They were nothing but excuse makers and fat, arrogant a-holes. I love our seats by the opposing fans section except when we play Wisconsin. They are the absolute worst fans in the country. Every other Big-10 team's fans seem very classy. Badger fans are fat, obnoxious, smell like shit (seriously), and have absolutely zero class.

So rack Penn State's fans, rack JoePa, rack PSUFAN for not coming on here making excuses and showing how to lose with class, and rack the Hawkeyes for pulling a huge upset. While a lot of people have been down on Ferentz for the direction this program has been headed in, I say IN KIRK WE TRUST!!

I can't wait for next year......this is only the beginning! THE HAWKEYES ARE BACK, BABY!!!!!

fuck this pussy ^^^^^^^^^^^

serious board bitch material


showing up after the win, while hiding after a loss for close to a month? = ban

Adelpiero wrote:fuck this pussy ^^^^^^^^^^^

serious board bitch material


showing up after the win, while hiding after a loss for close to a month? = ban

How many posts like that do you think I was baiting, cunt??? Thanks for making my already great day even better!!

Mace wrote:Adel is right. Sit down and shut your bitch self the fuck up, JON. Your silence since the loss to Northwestern has been.....well....welcome. No one gives one shit about your comments on the game....really, they don't.

Mace

#2. Keep 'em coming!

Mace wrote:Well, congrats to JON for dropping by after Iowa's biggest win in years....and after showing himself as a chickenshit by disappearing after the NW loss....to give us his "expert" analysis of the game. We've been waiting in breathless anticipation for Iowa to finally beat a good team just so you could return to reaffirm your board bitch status. Congrats.

#3

Mace

Good point. I'm a message board bitch. Damn, that sure sucks. How many theoretical points does one receive for not being a message board bitch? And what do you buy with your points? Just curious.

Adelpiero wrote:fuck this pussy ^^^^^^^^^^^

serious board bitch material


showing up after the win, while hiding after a loss for close to a month? = ban

muthafuckin RACK

JON, I agree with you about PSU's playcalling. The gameplan was crafted for short gains. They bogged down in the red zones. They drove things through Derrick Williams too much. This places the rest of the talented offense in the spectator category. When you play things so close to the vest, you better expect that people execute on every single play. They didn't - people were dropping passes, and sure picks.

I have no clue what happened with Clark's fumble. That was a bad call, and the replay officials did nothing to change that. That was the only call I really thought was off base.

TheJON wrote:Good point. I'm a message board bitch.

You're undoubtedly a bitch in real life as well. Bitch.

#4

I don't see how either mTool or Toejam can possibly mount a comeback to JON's campaign for 2008 Board Bitch. Give him the trophy now.

Oh, hey JON, what's up? Hey, I missed your breakdowns on the N'western and MSU games. Care to link me up to those? Later, bro.

Thanks for the post Mace. I think rolling out a Williams playbook is a mistake, because there was a capable backup in Devlin sitting on the bench. Yes, a few plays from Williams were a good wrinkle, but on the decisive drive, PSU got stuck using Williams too much, too predictably. Here's the stretch I refer to:

1st-10, Iowa46 6:24 D. Williams passed to M. Shuler to the left for 23 yard gain
1st-10, Iowa23 5:48 D. Williams rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
2nd-11, Iowa24 5:32 D. Williams rushed up the middle for 3 yard loss
3rd-14, Iowa27 4:16 PSU committed 10 yard penalty
3rd-24, Iowa37 4:00 T. Sash intercepted D. Clark for 14 yards

The pass from Williams...great play!
The next two were direct snaps to him, losing a total of 4 yards. BAD plays. Why not patiently go back to Royster? After the pass they were on the 23, they needed to score points. They seemed hurried in the playcalling. There was no rush, they should have gone back to what had been patiently successful.

Even the pick was a pass to Williams, into double-coverage. Did Iowa even have to cover anyone else? Yes, Williams was great, but they just went to the well too much. Royster and Green were getting good yardage on the ground, that's what they needed to continue, instead they desperately used Williams, marched backwards, and then gave up an opportunity for at least a FG by making Clark throw a desperation pass.

I'm not taking credit away from the Hawkeyes, I'm just lamenting the decision to go with something so one-dimensional.

Incredible! Jon returns after Iowa wins. Didn't see that coming.


Mace, congrats on the win.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Oh, hey JON, what's up? Hey, I missed your breakdowns on the N'western and MSU games. Care to link me up to those? Later, bro.

Umm.......what did I say before the year about the MSU game? IT WOULD BE A CLOSE GAME AND IOWA WOULD LOSE BY A FIELD GOAL. Why do you care so much about my take after an Iowa loss? Especially when it's a game I predicted we'd lose. No, I didn't pick us to lose to N'Western, but shit happens. Who cares? We fumbled the ball 5 times, so we lost. What analysis did you want from me? That sums it up right there. You turn it over 5 times against a decent team, you lose. There you go, there's my much anticipated analysis on that game.

I had planned on posting pre-PSU game on Friday, but decided in the event Iowa won I could come on here and turn this board into a nice little TheJON obsession thread. The funny thing is, you all took the bait. I even made it obvious what my intentions were (well, other than to give my analysis on the game and give props to PSU), and you guys still fell for it. I thought about doing this after the Wisconsin win a couple weeks ago, but I never got around to it. This was a perfect opportunity.

I just might go into hiding until we win the Outback bowl in January. That would make for a nice return. I'll let you know in a few days if I'm going to. Heck, this time I'll even call out my intentions and then it will make the obsession even more hysterical. As for board bitch, you fuckers wouldn't give it to me last year when I openly campaigned for it so don't try getting my hopes up this year. I'll believe it when I see it.

PSUFAN wrote: I haven't been to the homer board yet. I'm headed there now, and I'm going to dive right into the thick of the first "THE REFS SCREWED US!!!" thread I see...and get fucking busy tearing ass.

Link?

Should make for some good reading. Especially that one chick, i forget her nic, but she's probably hanging from the shower rod by now.

Congrats to Iowa. That was a hella' game in brutal weather conditions. I just caught the 4th qtr at the sports bar while trying to watch Bama- LSU at the same time, but thought that roughing the kicker penalty did them in.

psu fans claiming the PI call was bullshit


hey fucktards, the defender crushed the player before ball got there.

Mace wrote:

I had planned on posting pre-PSU game on Friday, but decided in the event Iowa won I could come on here and turn this board into a nice little TheJON obsession thread. The funny thing is, you all took the bait.

Sure thing, twatlips, everyone "took the bait". I mean, it's not like anyone was actually expecting you to post after this huge Iowa win and lying in wait for you to show your dripping vagina. Naww, nobody was expecting that at all.

Ahahahahaha! This is awesome. Thanks douche, you make this way too much fun.

You know what they always say about tards like you that have a big mouth......
















They also have small feet.

jon=trix

Papa Willie wrote:

Mace wrote: JoPa represents everything that is right about college football and it has been fun, at least for me, to see him get the program back to the top of the heap.

Mace

Couldn't agree more.

In the past, I would agree with you guys. Seeing all the shit PSU players have done recently and JoePa turning a blind eye towards it disgusts me. Paterno is no different than any other CFB coach. Win at all costs. While I still respect the old codger, I don't respect him nearly as much as I used to.

IndyFrisco wrote:In the past, I would agree with you guys. Seeing all the shit PSU players have done recently and JoePa turning a blind eye towards it disgusts me. Paterno is no different than any other CFB coach. Win at all costs. While I still respect the old codger, I don't respect him nearly as much as I used to.

Mass media and scholarship limits tend to make any coach look bad over time.

When I go south of the Mason-Dixon, my ancestors turn in their graves.

I'd love to go. I have only driven through Alabama briefly. I think it would be really fun to head down for the 2010 game.

Indy, I feel pretty sure Joe Paterno takes the discipline of his team very seriously. I think he's not as capable as he once was at handling it. Not only is he advancing in age, which does have an effect, but he is totally dependent on a few folks surrounding him to let him know about what "media" entails. He experiences things like "ESPN" and "The Web Mob" second-hand.

He booted two players off the team this year that would have helped him win games. I don't think he's "win at all costs", but his parochial nature does attempt to protect the players until they don't deserve it any longer in his mind. This approach was perfect in the pst, but the whole thing is far too complicated for that approach in 2008. He ends up making decisions that are not well-informed. The OTL piece factually (IMO) portrayed a coach who is losing the firm grip on his players that he is accustomed to having.

I understand your sentiment, don't get me wrong. There is much to respect about Joe, and also much that is called into question. It would be nice to see him go out on a positive note. I think a 12-1 season with a Rose Bowl win would be about as glorious an end as one might dream to have. I don't see any reason for a sympathy vote. For how many years are we going to have to sound the final trumpets on his career? It becomes tiresome...and a lot of things about the team's approach have to wait for him to wrap things up. I firmly believe that he could still be in a ceremonial role with the team, still see the players every day, still do what he loves to do - as a retired coach.

PSUFAN wrote:The OTL piece factually (IMO) portrayed a coach who is losing the firm grip on his players that he is accustomed to having.

That is specifically what I was referring to. If he honestly had no idea what the OTL piece was referring to, then yeah, he has really lost it. There was factual evidence that he was either dismissing it or had no clue it existed. If he dismissed it, I stand by my7 last statement. If he was not told of the instances and was blindsided and "fixed it" afterwards, then I retract what I said.