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ESPN Article: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3698423

My favorite quote from the article:

"The hiring report card has made the FBS and FCS search processes in football more transparent than they were ... and to some degree more accountable," Keith said.

"We're about results. We'd like to see the numbers increase," he said.

Listen fuckhead, college football is about results too. Wins and losses. I don't care if Texas A&M's head coach is a homosexual black hermorphadite with 7 cocks and 3 vadges. If "it" wins us games, "it" has my support.

Does anyone here really believe that athletic directors nationwide really let the color of skin of the candidate determine if they get the job or not? This AA/PC crap has got to go. The day A&M says "coach A is more qualified, but I'm going with coach B in order to meet quota" is the day I quit being a fan.

I'd like to hear some thoughts from the posters here on this. I simply can't get on board with hiring practices that do not give the best qualified person the opportunity.

The fact that there is an organization (BCA) within a larger organization (AFCA) based solely on race ensures you have a process where the most qualified is no longer the goal.

88 wrote:Personally, I'd like to see the Black Coaches and Administrators spend as much time examining and finding solutions for the disparity in graduation rates between black football players and white football players as it does on hiring practices.

Fucking rack that. This is going to be a slow process. The majority of the grad assistants at univerities are white. Grad assistants turn into position coaches, who turn into head coaches. For a very long time, black players were not becoming grad assistants because of a few factors, the biggest of which is what 88 pointed out. Also, the vast majority of players who make it in the NFL are black, thus lessening the pool of black grad assistants.

Now that more and more coordinators are being hired that are black, you will start to see the number of black head coaches spike in a few years.

the market can regulate itself.

Why is it that this is a big deal? How come there isn't a coalition to have more white running backs, or skill position players? how come nobody's formed the WNBAPG the white NBA players group. why is it that blacks complain about this shit all the time instead of worrying about other more important things in our society.
fuck, if a guy's qualified then he gets the job, if he sucks he doesn't, if they think he's qualified and ends up sucking (sup willingham) then his a$$ gets fired. Same for white coaches. if you suck, you go. (sup charlie weis)

88 wrote:Personally, I'd like to see the Black Coaches and Administrators spend as much time examining and finding solutions for the disparity in graduation rates between black football players and white football players as it does on hiring practices.

Well said...RACK.

I can understand them looking out for black coaches interests but this is the whole reverse discrimination by wanting a certain group of people treated different than the others when really everyone should be equals in the matter. The number of black coaches in college football is quite low but it's not like you're going to steal jobs away from qualified white coaches just to appease a quota they have set out for themselves. They've all got to be treated the same and not have hiring policies where black coaches get interviews simply because of the color of their skin and not their qualifications. I think some black coaches will be used as "token interviews" and that's certainly not fair to them.

What I will say...how many black coaches had positions with major programs in recent years? Willingham was at Notre Dame, Blake was at Oklahoma, Shannon is currently at Miami...I'm probably forgetting a few. Are they worried about black coaches just getting head coaching jobs in general or do they want the big name jobs? The guys at the marquee programs deserve to be there...Carroll, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Richt, etc. Aside from Weis at Notre Dame...is their a major program with a coach in trouble where an position will be opening soon? Is the Black Coaches Association satisfied with just the mid-major jobs?

Is the Black Coaches Association satisfied with just the mid-major jobs?

dude, the BCA won't be satisfied until every head coaching job is occupied by a black person.

shit, you don't hear anyone complaining that there aren't enough white trash collectors.

aside from everyone falling all over themselves to quote mlk, there are very real systematic issues that need to be addressed. 88's suggestion is a much better start than appeasing the bca with window dressing.

I don't think there's any barrier, currently, for minorities to hurdle as coaching candidates. There was at one time, but not now.

I guess it boils down to this: what are your hiring goals? If your primary goal is winning games, then you need to hire the best candidate available. If your primary goal is to wear a politically correct badge, then you hire the candidate that reflects that goal.

Dan Rooney fought for years to address the general impression that his father Art was a racist and would only hire white coaches and start white QBs. He is still fighting that fight from his retirement seat.

A lot more CFB athletes are black than are white. So the argument is they should at least have as many black coaches as there are white coaches because of that.

To that I say.....

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FUCKING ARGUMENT EVER AND ACTIVIST MOTHER FUCKERS NEED TO GET THEIR PATHETIC ASSES OUT OF SPORTS......

Why does this argument hold no merit? Well, because everyone knows good athletes suck fucking donkey balls at coaching. Shit athletes make good coaches. Good athletes can't coach because they can't relate to the non-stars. It's like that in any sport. How much great coaches were superstars in their sport?

Black athletes grow up with big aspirations as a PLAYER. White athletes grow up with big aspirations as a COACH. That's not racist, that's fact.

Why does it matter how many coaches in college football are white and black? All I care about is if they can coach. If whitey is holdin' it down, why stop 'em??? Or something like that.....

Mace wrote:

TheJON wrote:Good athletes can't coach because they can't relate to the non-stars. It's like that in any sport. How much great coaches were superstars in their sport?

Ted Fucking Williams, to name one of many. More locally.....Marv Cook. Your stance sucks donkey dicks....as do you. The most logical explanation has already been made by Killian in regard to graduation rates/grad assistants/head coach. Yours is more of an old wive's tale. Great athletes CAN become great coaches and teachers of their sport, just as easily as one who was not a great athlete.....and they both can fail too.

E.O.S.

Dude, just cuz I ain't need no Cialis to get it up doesn't mean you gots to hate.......

Cunt, why don't you name me a big list of superstars that amounted to anything as a coach? You're gonna have to really dig deep to get me a list.

Marv Cook? Dude's coaching at that small little Iowa City school. Iowa City Vagina or something like that, I can't think of the name. Ted Williams was a great coach? Umm....no.

You sir not only fail at life, you also fail at arguments. Time to get your ass back to the nursing home......it's almost bedtime. In fact, I think I just heard the nurse announcing sugar free cookies will be served in 5 minutes. Don't wanna miss that, gramps.

PSUFAN wrote:I don't think there's any barrier, currently, for minorities to hurdle as coaching candidates. There was at one time, but not now.

I guess it boils down to this: what are your hiring goals? If your primary goal is winning games, then you need to hire the best candidate available. If your primary goal is to wear a politically correct badge, then you hire the candidate that reflects that goal.

'nuff said and a Rack.

TheJON wrote:

Mace wrote:

TheJON wrote:Good athletes can't coach because they can't relate to the non-stars. It's like that in any sport. How much great coaches were superstars in their sport?

Ted Fucking Williams, to name one of many. More locally.....Marv Cook. Your stance sucks donkey dicks....as do you. The most logical explanation has already been made by Killian in regard to graduation rates/grad assistants/head coach. Yours is more of an old wive's tale. Great athletes CAN become great coaches and teachers of their sport, just as easily as one who was not a great athlete.....and they both can fail too.

E.O.S.

Dude, just cuz I ain't need no Cialis to get it up doesn't mean you gots to hate.......

Cunt, why don't you name me a big list of superstars that amounted to anything as a coach? You're gonna have to really dig deep to get me a list.

Marv Cook? Dude's coaching at that small little Iowa City school. Iowa City Vagina or something like that, I can't think of the name. Ted Williams was a great coach? Umm....no.

You sir not only fail at life, you also fail at arguments. Time to get your ass back to the nursing home......it's almost bedtime. In fact, I think I just heard the nurse announcing sugar free cookies will be served in 5 minutes. Don't wanna miss that, gramps.

If you want to talk about all sports, then take a look at Cael Sanderson, Dan Gable in wrestling. Both Olympic champions, both outstanding coaches at Iowa State and Iowa, respectively. Pat Riley, All-American at Kentucky, and arguably the greatest basketball coach ever. Bob Stoops was a very good player for Iowa back in the day, and he's one of the top coaches in America. Ted Williams perhaps not the winningest manager the game ever saw, but he was an excellent teacher of hitting. Marv Cook is still a good coach. And it's Iowa City Regina. Went to the state championship game last year, and got beat by a better team.

Smart athletes make good coaches. Superstars can be smart athletes. They have incredible talent, which is why many struggle to coach well, because things just came naturally to them. But the ones who are smart can still relate their knowledge to their players. Peyton Manning could make an excellent coach someday. Sure, he's one of the most talented QB's to ever play the game, but his biggest strength is in his preparation. The film study that he conducts constantly until he knows the opposing team's defensive schemes like the back of his hand is what makes him great. Then it's just a matter of him using that great arm of his to make the play.

as a university employee for almost a decade at two of US News almighty top 100 National Universities....my own employment is adjunct to a lot of these politics. there is no question that if i was a woman, gay or a non-honkey (though i am 1/16 Cherokee and 1/16 Choctaw, like most Oklahomans tribes varying...i don't play that up, though i guess i could if i wanted a career of Native Indian issues)...there is no doubt I'd have an advantage. being a white hetero-sexual male is not too hip. I don't complain, i have a good life and live where i want to live. i make a little less to do so....with cost of living in boulder/denver.

obviously a football coach is a more "public" position than adjunct faculty...and charged with handling a group of students in a non-academic environment.

i don't see people complaining about CEO's this way? there's a variety of social reasons for this that may not be pretty to look at historically....but, how is football different?

the secondary problem, that overdetermines all this, is this expectation that in allegedly non-capitalist entities like Universities (hahahaha, no public U can exist without corporate donations these days--gotta pay for those student spa services, comfy beds, and wireless connections in the dorms)...some modicum of being sheltered from the market should prevail. I do agree with this, in principle. but, when it becomes a double-standard...it's absurd.

edit: i know for a fact (from secondary sources close to my pops who has done legal work for OU's AD since the 80's) that one of the reasons to hire Blake was to hire "one of them" since OSU had already hired Bob Simmons who was cleaning up recruiting during the Schnellenberger reign of terror where he alienated 4 decades worth of OU-high school coach relations in about 3 months. My uncle ( a 3 time OU letterman) was a coach at Bartlesville, OK at the time (5A school, sent a lot of kids to D-1)...said Howard was a jerkoff and he would never send his kids to play for Schnelly.

it's an ugly story and a sad point in OU history....thanks a lot Donnie Duncan.

Quotas are a reality in the Education and Government sectors. I work for the City of Pittsburgh, and here in "city-hall", the hallmarks of quotas are as real as the City Seal on the wall. I mentioned Dan Rooney...just this morning I read that he was being honored with a Racial Justice Award. That's all well and good, when the appointments seem to merit the politics...that isn't always the case.

Hiring black coaches is kool.

Sincerely,

the decimated football programs of UCLA & Washington

As Americans, we should all be universally offended by "quotas," or any system that favors any applicant for a job over another solely on their ethnic group.

It's like we've ALL been branded racists, and some quota system needs to be put in place, since the ADs must be conspiring to hire only white men as coaches, to appease us as the racist pigs we are.

Fucking offensive, and completely devoid of any common sense or logic. I'll go out on a limb, and say that everyone here's team has black players on it, and we all spend our hard-earned money to support our teams.

Right?

Quick, show of hands... how many of you own/have owned a jersey of a black player on any one of the teams you support?

Pretty much everyone here, right?


Considering this, and many other factors, how can we, as an all-inclusive group be so inaccurately accused of behavior we clearly don't engage in?

When you first get wind that your school might get the LOI from a RB from across the country that you're not familiar with, is your first question "What color is he?"

Or is it "What's his 40 time?"

If my team hired a guy whose skin was Husky purple to coach... I'd have a big freaking problem with it. Otherwise... like I give a fuck. A strong, intelligent, football-genius leader who puts up W's is all I care about... and no particular ethnic group has a monopoly on those skillsets.


Maybe if the "activists" spent their time learning to coach football, rather than trying to be the Thought Police and rectify some alleged behavior that I don't engage in, this would be a non-issue.


And RACK mclub's support of the free market... the ONLY system that ever works.

And I'll spare you my rants on graduation rates amongst black students. But another part of life that's grossly out of proportion ethnically, is welfare. And the low graduation rates amongst blacks (and welfare children of all ethnic groups) is yet another horrrrrrible unintended consequence of government interference in people's lives. "Uncle Sam will take care of my kids, so I don't have to." Been enough decades that this has proven itself beyond reasonable doubt. Subsidizing poverty will inevitably produce more poverty -- basic freaking Law of Supply and Demand. Subsidizing educational programs for those who didn't "earn" it through hard work will naturally create demand for educational complacency.


Liberalism is hateful.

Allow me to correct myself, and fix a major oversight in my post, which I thought of immediately afterwards...

My post adressed "all of us" as if we are all white. I don't keep spreadsheets of such things, but I'm fairly certain that's not the case.

For this, I apologize.

But the point remains the same -- regardless of ethnicity, we, as fans, are being lumped into groups, and people are speaking for us, and I feel that those people aren't representing us as fans in an accurate fashion.


I'm fairly confident that most if not all fans want the guy who's best qualified to lead their program to wins, not hire based on ethnic group. But there's a few bad apples in every bunch.

But I'm about tired of essentially being accused of something I'm not guilty of, and I don't believe anyone else here is guilty of, either.


We're CFB fans, not hatemongers.

Dinsdale wrote:And RACK mclub's support of the free market... the ONLY system that ever works.

i don't support the free market. it doesn't work.

they need to fire Croom as well, he fucking sucks


USC has a black AD and doesnt have a single black head coach in any of the mens or womens programs, he must be racist