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Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:41 am**

I believe that it's obvious that USC and Florida are the best two teams out there. OU is great, Texas is great but there is a dropoff after UF and USC. All four of these teams have outstanding offensive clubs but the seperating factor is on the defensive side of the ball. USC's defense is smothering, probably the best in the country. Florida's defense is so improved from a year ago, there is talent, speed, and most importantly experience.

If USC doesn't make it to the MNC (odds are against them) then Florida will win in blowout fashion over whatever B12 team they face. If they play I think USC's two-way balance gives them the edge. We (non meatgrinder cfb fans) need SC to get in the mnc otherwise the secbsh's will have another year to gloat, even though their conference is only two teams deep this season. So it's either gravy training secfan coming out for UF or Schmick. A no-win to be sure, but the best matchup scenario.

Convince me otherwise.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:55 am**

Who has Florida or USC played that is any tougher than the schedules played by OU or Texas? I don't think they are in a league by themselves. There is a chance either team could beat the best of the Big 12, but no way would it be a blowout. I think a Tebow v McCoy shootout would be sweet.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:21 am**

the gates without harvin might not beat Bama

ROLL MOTHA FUCKING TIDE

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:08 am**

well, I don't care for UF or SC, just what I believe from what I've seen. I think bama goes down hard. Without Harvin Bama may keep it within 17 or so.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:13 am**

I heard the same thing in 2005.......SC is the best and Texas does not have a chance. We all saw what happened. The MNC game should be Texas vs the winner of the SEC game. The fact that our offense is light years ahead of anything else in the SEC gives us a big advantage. The other ace in the hole is our Defensive Coordinator. Will Muschamps has stated during the season that we wishes he could scheme some SEC offenses because they are easy compared to what he had to face in the Big XII. Texas has it all. Strong d line and they are physical and can match any team for speed. The get after the passer and create turnovers. On offense, we can move it. Stop the run? We will throw it. Stop the pass? We will run it. Pick your poison. Texas is 11-1 in the toughest division in College Football. They lost on a last second play on the road after laying the #1, #11 and #6 teams in a row. They lost to the then #5 team. They also beat the current #3 in the BCS on a neutral field by 10. Texas is the best team in COllege Football.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:24 am**

WolverineSteve wrote:well, I don't care for UF or SC, just what I believe from what I've seen. I think bama goes down hard. Without Harvin Bama may keep it within 17 or so.

I dont think I could handle another gate MNC. Fuck those jean short wearing, mullet having cocksuckers

Bama will stop the tebows draw. I dont know why mickey didnt keep a MLB spy on Tebow all game. Make that bitch beat you with the throw, especially in a fucking downpour....

GOD DAMMIT....5 years in a row to those fucking cocksuckers. I could handle losing to any other team five years in a row but these fag ass mother fucks.

Tebow and Harvin kiss on the god damn sidelines for christ sakes. We are getting beat year in and out by some god damn pole smokers.

:brad:

If they get by Bama, they will crush whatever Big XII school they get. As much as I hate to admit that, it is true.

Bama better come through for me.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:27 am**

I think Texas is the best of the B12. They should have beat TT and the point would be moot. But that douch db dropped the easiest int ever and now they may be shut out. Just like SC, they should be undefeated, but aren't. I think sc's defense is superior and would handle Texas. I love McCoy though, he'd look great in Honalulu Blue.

Anyone without a dog in the hunt got an opinion? I understand the homers coming in for their teams but try to be objective here.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:31 am**

WolverineSteve wrote:Anyone without a dog in the hunt got an opinion? I understand the homers coming in for their teams but try to be objective here.

I dont have a dog in the hunt but there is one dog in the hunt i would like to take out back and go Michael Vick on the son of a bitch

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:37 am**

so much for objectivity

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:44 am**

WolverineSteve wrote:so much for objectivity

Oh I agree they are one of the top two teams but it is hard to say they wont lose next week.

Bama Bandwagons harder than any other. The Georgia Dome will be mostly Crimson and rocking.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:39 pm**

As painful as it is to admit this, the winner of the Meatgrinder CCG deserves to be in the BCS championship game. No doubt about it.

As far as the other position goes . . .

Perhaps USC got penalized too severely for their early-season loss to Oregon State, particularly in hindsight. But there's little, if anything, they can do at this point to make up that ground. The other spot will go to either Texas or Oklahoma, depending on this week's BCS rankings and next week's Big XII CCG.

Since nobody likes the BCS, if you don't have a dog in the hunt, the best thing to do is root for chaos. This year that means rooting for Missouri in the Big XII CCG. The likely end result of that would be that you'd have a team that didn't win its conference playing for the national championship.

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:38 pm**

Terry in Crapchester wrote: Since nobody likes the BCS, if you don't have a dog in the hunt, the best thing to do is root for chaos. This year that means rooting for Missouri in the Big XII CCG. The likely end result of that would be that you'd have a team that didn't win its conference playing for the national championship.

When are you people going to realize that rooting for chaos doesn't mean shit?

Nebraska in '01
LSU/USC/Oklahoma in '03
Florida-Michigan politicking in '07
Two-loss LSU in '08

Did any of that stop ESPN from hammering FOX to get the BCS contract through 2014?

Posted: **Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:58 pm**

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared ... resid.html

Pretty interesting read, particularly this part:

The current BCS contract with Fox Sports has two more years to run. The BCS is in the final stages of signing a deal with ESPN to broadcast the games through the 2013 regular season. That means the current format will stay in place for the next six years and the next serious discussion on changing it won’t take place until four years from now.

Here is what I believe will happen. ESPN is going to pay a pretty penny, about $125 million a year, to get the BCS back from FOX for 2010-2013. At the end of that contract everybody involved in the process, including the Rose Bowl, will be looking for a new deal. That’s when change could come. Several networks will be bidding for the rights and will throw an astronomical amount of money on the table in order to get a format change.

Understand that Slive put the Plus-One model on the table last April pretty much knowing that it would be shot down. The idea was to get the idea into the public domain so that we can talk about it. Slive was just setting the table for the big negotiations which will take place four years from now. ESPN has the clout to get the format changed. But the commissioners are going to make sure they pay for it with the biggest contract in the history of college sports.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:33 am**

No, I don't think that it's "obvious" UF and USC are the two best teams out there. I believe Bama, UF, Texas, OU, and USC are about all on an equal playing field and wouldn't be surprised to see any of those teams win it all if given the opportunity.

However, this is about resume, and I'm not buying USC for the title game because they don't stack up in that regard compared to some of the other 1 loss teams.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:55 pm**

Bama's out of the discussion imo and will show why this weekend. They've had a nice year but it's a bit early for them. They will be there soon enough.

OU doesn't bring enough defense to the table. They can score with anybody (in the b12) but what happens when they get shutdown for a quarter or a half? I love the offense here, they've got tons of weapons but we've all seen teams get slowed down and without a good defense they get left behind.

Texas is the closest to being on par with my Big2. They have a ton of talent and at times seem competent on D. But again coming from the B12 where offense rules the day I don't think they could hang vs. a top notch defense. If they'e forced to punt 3 or 4 times they're done.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:07 pm**

A case can be made for Alabama, Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, and even Utah. Without a playoff none of it matters since it won't be settled on the field. Who looks the best always seems to come down to offense and generally revolves around how they pounded some unranked opponent. The one thing all those teams can do is score the football. I personally prefer to talk about how great a team plays defense. So I would probably say that Alabama and USC are the best right now.

Texas is playing the best defense it has played all year right now so I might throw them in 3rd.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:22 pm**

WolverineSteve wrote:I think Texas is the best of the B12. They should have beat TT and the point would be moot. But that douch db dropped the easiest int ever and now they may be shut out. Just like SC, they should be undefeated, but aren't. I think sc's defense is superior and would handle Texas. I love McCoy though

Having watched the USC game live and in person, I don't see anyway you can say they should be undefeated. There wasn't a single play like a missed INT to seal the game. The game got close, but USC never even took the lead late.

Just saying.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:13 pm**

Dude, you've been downplaying bama all year. More than anyone in here.

Posted: **Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:05 am**

88 wrote:(Higher Seed hosts game)

In any playoff format, I think this standard should be applied until the final game. Would make for some interesting matchups in some interesting places. And would keep the regular season just as meaningful. No need to pay homage to the old bowl system and automatically reward teams that already play near touristy areas.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:01 am**

So what did we learn......?

UF and SC are tops, like I said.

Texas and OU are great teams but a slight notch below...like I said.

The two best teams did not get to settle it on the field....AGAIN!

We need a playoff.....like most of us said.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:09 am**

WolverineSteve wrote:So what did we learn......?

UF and SC are tops, like I said.

Texas and OU are great teams but a slight notch below...like I said.

The two best teams did not get to settle it on the field....AGAIN!

We need a playoff.....like most of us said.

As of right now I think the Texas defense is pretty salty. we ended the season with the #17 scoring defense in the country.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:12 am**

Texas is up there, but UF shut down OU who was putting up 60 on everyone, Texas did not. And the TU defense looked swiss cheesish at times vs aOSU.

Texas, as I said before the bowls, is a clear cut #3 this year.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:39 am**

WolverineSteve wrote:Texas is up there, but UF shut down OU who was putting up 60 on everyone, Texas did not. And the TU defense looked swiss cheesish at times vs aOSU.

Texas, as I said before the bowls, is a clear cut #3 this year.

I still am not scared of the USC or Florida offense, the Texas defense is up to the task of stopping them. Florida might be the tougher of the two because Tebow can do a lot of the things that Pryor can.

Keep in mind the only reason Texas looked like Swiss cheese against tOSU is because Pryor is beginning to look and play like TD Jesus. Everyone on an offense benefits when a QB like Pryor does what he does.

Right now I would not vote against Colt McCoy in any game against any opponent.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:57 pm**

Florida/Texas/Utah/USC...P-L-A-Y-O-F-F

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:14 pm**

My point is not to slight Texas, and in a playoff Texas may have won it all. But after the end of the regular season USC and Florida were the best two teams. When the best two teams do not get to settle things on the field, something has got to change. I don't care who lost to whom, where they lost and by how much. As far as talent, coaching, and how they were playing, we should have been treated to USC-UF. If there were a plus-1 who would've been in? USC-UF, that's who. Texas may have an argument but look how the Gators held OU way under their scoring average. Meyer vs. Petey for the enchilada would have been nice. OU and OSU need to take a BCS sabbatical.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:11 pm**

we learned that Utah could play with any of the top teams

they absolutely worked Bama, not beat, they out muscled, out hit, and worked them over. They beat Bama up.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:15 pm**

Adel, what's the REAL reason Van left the board?

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:35 pm**

Screw_Michigan wrote:Adel, what's the REAL reason Van left the board?

Excellent.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:36 pm**

Dude, you knew it was coming. Was it because you said the 05 USC team could beat some NFL teams? Speak up, now.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:43 pm**

Van wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:Adel, what's the REAL reason Van left the board?
Excellent.

the plungering Vantard took were bad.

Dins was laying the hammer to his dumb ass.

talk about blabbering a bunch of shit and looking like a fucking fool, van took the cake with his USC will crush Tejas comments.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:46 pm**

You know I already answered your question since you already read this...

Susan's in the hospital and she's pretty much circling the drain these days. Despite what dumbasses like Adel spew she's the reason I quit posting on message boards a couple years ago.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:51 pm**

Yeah, right, Adel, 'cause I was certainly alone in predicting USC would roll Texas.

Funny, that. Even with all the injuries USC suffered on D that year and even despite all the flukish weird shit that happened in that game they still rolled up 38 points and almost 600 yards and they still had a 12 point lead with six minutes to go.

It's not like they pulled a Mizzery. They didn't completely nut shrivel and shrink away at the mere sight of an OU or Texas. They played a bizarrely fucked up game and they were hurting badly on D and still it took the greatest individual game in Rose Bowl history to beat them.

You'd know the significance of that, if only Mizzery ever actually played in such a game. Speaking of which, enjoy Mizzery's rightful place as a completely irrelevant afterthought. Now that your completely overrated team of nutless wonders has finished its wholly unremarkable rise to, well, not much, it's now time for them to resume their regularly scheduled programming as worthless doormats.

Enjoy. You've earned it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:08 pm**

Jsc810 wrote:Let's see, Adel is trying to run smack at Van, evidently because Van failed to correctly predict the results of one game.

This, after Adel finished 24th out of 26 in the finals, correctly picking 13 out of 34 bowl games?

picking games vs the spread means???? JSC, when it comes to CFB, you have always been one of the shittiest posters. You have no take, other than what the USA Today, your cardiologist, or some SEC honk board tells you. You won the CFB pool? yipee, it proves nothing more, than if you pick the team in purple every week, eventually they will cover.

Seriously, your trying to run Bowl pickem smack?

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:18 pm**

Adelpiero wrote: Seriously, your trying to run Bowl pickem smack?

I'm just a neutral observer here, but I'd say JSC is uniquely qualified to run pick'em smack right about now.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:26 pm**

dins

chilean, norwegian, or sockeye salmon?

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:35 pm**

Two of those are nationalities, the other is a species of Pacific salmon.

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