T1B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGUdSOIwG0

Let's see, you're trained to attack cities in a supersonic fighter jet, and when the extremely expensive killing machine fucks up--and you're over a densely populated suburb of an American city, what do you do?

A) Accept the fact that your responsibility is now as always to protect American lives, and so you steer the ailing craft into an unpopulated area, bravely sacrificing your life so that others may live (and, not be killed by your incompetence, thank you); or

B) You say, aw fuck all, I'm bailing out--just like a Wall St. derivatives expert--with my parachute, let the plane will fall where God and gravity agree, and I'll resume my job after a period of standard whitewashing inquiry.

mvscal wrote:

you steer the ailing craft

How?

You don't know?

You make your hand really flat and stick it out the window pointing forward. If you angle your fingers up, the plane goes down. Angle your fingers down, the plane will go up. Right-left. Left-right.

Tell me you knew. We used to do this on car trips years ago.

Papa Willie wrote:
Mikey - if the engines are down on that aircraft, the computer is more than likely out as well. Those things rely on the computers to keep them stable - take power out, and they don't fly....

Well, he could have at least tried the hand thing.

Papa Willie wrote:

Mikey wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:
Mikey - if the engines are down on that aircraft, the computer is more than likely out as well. Those things rely on the computers to keep them stable - take power out, and they don't fly....

Well, he could have at least tried the hand thing.

He may have been aiming for YOU! :D

Shows what a shittay pilot he is. Missed by about 20 miles.

:doh:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:...let the plane will fall where God and gravity agree, and I'll resume my job after a period of standard whitewashing inquiry.

If this is a cheap shot at John McCain, then GO FUCK YOURSELF!

mvscal wrote:C'mon, Felchco. Let's see if you can steer this ailing thread to an unTROTSulated area.

Pretty sure it's already crashed and burned.

He bailed? No balls.

-'Bull' Meechum

Papa Willie wrote: Mikey - if the engines are down on that aircraft, the computer is more than likely out as well. Those things rely on the computers to keep them stable - take power out, and they don't fly....

no computer, no getting the window open either

This thread is nothing without AP's thoughts on the matter.

You know it...and I know it.

Papa Willie wrote:

Cuda wrote:

Papa Willie wrote: Mikey - if the engines are down on that aircraft, the computer is more than likely out as well. Those things rely on the computers to keep them stable - take power out, and they don't fly....

no computer, no getting the window open either

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking that the canopy is blasted off through a mechanical device like the ejection seat....

yes, there are emergency handles to blow the canopy that don't need power to the aircraft. but that's usually for on the ground. if you're going to blow the canopy in the air, you're prolly going to want to eject real soon.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGUdSOIwG0

Let's see, you're trained to attack cities in a supersonic fighter jet, and when the extremely expensive killing machine fucks up--and you're over a densely populated suburb of an American city, what do you do?

A) Accept the fact that your responsibility is now as always to protect American lives, and so you steer the ailing craft into an unpopulated area, bravely sacrificing your life so that others may live (and, not be killed by your incompetence, thank you); or

B) You say, aw fuck all, I'm bailing out--just like a Wall St. derivatives expert--with my parachute, let the plane will fall where God and gravity agree, and I'll resume my job after a period of standard whitewashing inquiry.

Your trained to attack military targets moron..that may be in cities or rural areas.

On approach to Miramar ( yeahs lots of unpopulated areas to the south of Miramar)...in a landing configuration..maybe gear down..reduced power..kind of sluggish on control surfaces

Engine fire possibly or flame out.....fighters drop like rocks...no way to turn or evade the area under you, probably less than 2000 feet altitude..you have about 3 seconds or less to think it all through and make a decision..and after a thousand or more hours of training that has taught you to pull the E handle with out a second thought..you pull that handle now...

When is the last time you flew a fighter ? I have not ...but I have a fair understanding of aerodynamics..which you have no grasp on since you quit school in the 5th grade..and never made it to high school physics.

Sad that people died....but there has been more than a couple of military pilots who have gave their lives in service to the country.

Pray tell us about how you avoided a car wreck with your brilliant decision making in less than 1 second.

Landing approach is from ENE, during normal conditions. Miles and miles of empty space in that direction. For some reason, at least when I've been driving by, they come from the opposite direction, to the south of the airfield, and make a huge sweeping 180 before landing. Not sure why they do that but it's all over populated areas. Maybe practicing landings and making big circles or something.

I guess when the wind shifts they would come from the opposite direction.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&g ... 9&t=h&z=13

Papa Willie wrote:

Cuda wrote:

Papa Willie wrote: Mikey - if the engines are down on that aircraft, the computer is more than likely out as well. Those things rely on the computers to keep them stable - take power out, and they don't fly....

no computer, no getting the window open either

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking that the canopy is blasted off through a mechanical device like the ejection seat....

not the canopy, the window. with all the money they spend on these things, they've GOT to have a window you can open

not the canopy, the window. with all the money they spend on these things, they've GOT to have a window you can open

And then climb out on the wing and jump off....

At 2000 feet you have about 6 seconds before impact...

Cuda wrote:
not the canopy, the window. with all the money they spend on these things, they've GOT to have a window you can open

You're right. This isn't rocket science.

mikey,

I'm pretty sure they do they scenic route over the populated area to practice ground surveilance techniques (nude hottie sunbathers).

There's a whole lotta "missed the joke" going on in this thread. This of course made it all the more funny to me.

Mikey wrote:Landing approach is from ENE, during normal conditions. Miles and miles of empty space in that direction. For some reason, at least when I've been driving by, they come from the opposite direction, to the south of the airfield, and make a huge sweeping 180 before landing. Not sure why they do that but it's all over populated areas. Maybe practicing landings and making big circles or something.

I guess when the wind shifts they would come from the opposite direction.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&g ... 9&t=h&z=13

could be they were doing FCLP's practicing for carrier landings. the whole 180 thing sounds exactly like it.

Derron wrote:

"On approach to Miramar ( yeahs lots of unpopulated areas to the south of Miramar)...in a landing configuration..maybe gear down..reduced power..kind of sluggish on control surfaces

Engine fire possibly or flame out.....fighters drop like rocks...no way to turn or evade the area under you, probably less than 2000 feet altitude..you have about 3 seconds or less to think it all through and make a decision..and after a thousand or more hours of training that has taught you to pull the E handle with out a second thought..you pull that handle now..."


...pretty much wurd.


sin. CM private pilot

I was listening to a discussion on the radio this morning. Apparently the plane was operating from a carrier offshore (USS Lincoln?) and developed engine trouble. The pilot was instructed to land at Miramar instead of returning to the carrier. Second engine went out before he made it to the base. Pilot ejected.

Looks like Roach has been hittin' the Sterno again.

too bad he couldn't give Maverick a radio call to come by and jetwash his ass into a flat spin and head out to sea. then he could've saved those lives......

As stated, the pilot bailed out and let the aircraft go down in a densely populated neighborhood. That he would have been flying over a suburban area at all is obscene. That he would immediately seek to save his own ass is contemptible. Perhaps there's a signing bonus awaiting at Blackwater--they've got some openings coming up.

Mikey wrote:

Cuda wrote:
not the canopy, the window. with all the money they spend on these things, they've GOT to have a window you can open

You're right. This isn't rocket science.

you'd think they'd get something a little more high-tech looking than that- damned budget cuts!

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As stated, the pilot bailed out and let the aircraft go down in a densely populated neighborhood.

He didn't "let" it go down, numbnuts. It was going down with or without him. I suppose you'd feel better if he had died along with the others. Afterall, F-18 pilots are a dime a dozen.

ChargerMike wrote:Derron wrote:

"On approach to Miramar ( yeahs lots of unpopulated areas to the south of Miramar)...in a landing configuration..maybe gear down..reduced power..kind of sluggish on control surfaces

Engine fire possibly or flame out.....fighters drop like rocks...no way to turn or evade the area under you, probably less than 2000 feet altitude..you have about 3 seconds or less to think it all through and make a decision..and after a thousand or more hours of training that has taught you to pull the E handle with out a second thought..you pull that handle now..."


...pretty much wurd.


sin. CM private pilot

Thank you. Derron -private pilot.

Amazing what an understanding of flight principles will do.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As stated, the pilot bailed out and let the aircraft go down in a densely populated neighborhood. That he would have been flying over a suburban area at all is obscene. That he would immediately seek to save his own ass is contemptible. Perhaps there's a signing bonus awaiting at Blackwater--they've got some openings coming up.

too bad he couldn't have hit your house and killed your family and i hope you have fucking kids. i want anyone related to you innocent or not to fucking die.

titlover wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As stated, the pilot bailed out and let the aircraft go down in a densely populated neighborhood. That he would have been flying over a suburban area at all is obscene. That he would immediately seek to save his own ass is contemptible. Perhaps there's a signing bonus awaiting at Blackwater--they've got some openings coming up.

too bad he couldn't have hit your house and killed your family and i hope you have fucking kids. i want anyone related to you innocent or not to fucking die.

That’s a bit harsh. I just want you to lose both of your hands in an industrial accident.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: That he would have been flying over a suburban area at all is obscene.

Yeah..this should never happen at all.

Sin,

The approach path(s) to nearly very major airport in the US.

(sup Lindberg Field,Midway,SeaTac,McChord,PDX)

Carry on looking like the complete fucking idiot you are.

There is a reason you see them making the 180 degree turns right before landing. Actually a couple. First is most of their sorties are out over the ocean where whales don't complain about noise. Second, with Montgomery Field, North Island, San Diego, and other private airports airspace is very restricted. Couple that with the F-18's landing speed (3 to 4 times that of a Cessna 172) and the routings get even more restriced.

To me it looks like a loss of flight control as I don't see both engines going out at the same time. Anyone who would blame a fighter jock for riding an uncontrolable F-18 to their own death is sad. Now, not staying with the Cessna is a completely different ball of wax.

Jsc810 wrote: SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- A Korean immigrant who lost his wife, two children and mother-in-law

Iimagine his heart broke when he heard he lost the 3 most important people in his life and at the same time thanked God for going full monty and not making him suffer the rest of his life with a MIL who'd probably be nothing but a drag on his future hopes of Korean poontang.

Left Seater wrote:There is a reason you see them making the 180 degree turns right before landing. Actually a couple. First is most of their sorties are out over the ocean where whales don't complain about noise. Second, with Montgomery Field, North Island, San Diego, and other private airports airspace is very restricted. Couple that with the F-18's landing speed (3 to 4 times that of a Cessna 172) and the routings get even more restriced.

To me it looks like a loss of flight control as I don't see both engines going out at the same time. Anyone who would blame a fighter jock for riding an uncontrolable F-18 to their own death is sad. Now, not staying with the Cessna is a completely different ball of wax.

actually the turns are most likely due to he was doing FCLP's adn that is the landing pattern they practice because that is how they land on the boat.

titlover wrote:

Left Seater wrote:There is a reason you see them making the 180 degree turns right before landing. Actually a couple. First is most of their sorties are out over the ocean where whales don't complain about noise. Second, with Montgomery Field, North Island, San Diego, and other private airports airspace is very restricted. Couple that with the F-18's landing speed (3 to 4 times that of a Cessna 172) and the routings get even more restriced.

To me it looks like a loss of flight control as I don't see both engines going out at the same time. Anyone who would blame a fighter jock for riding an uncontrolable F-18 to their own death is sad. Now, not staying with the Cessna is a completely different ball of wax.

actually the turns are most likely due to he was doing FCLP's adn that is the landing pattern they practice because that is how they land on the boat.

Right ..you practice landing patterns with an engine out.....? if he had an engine out, he was straight in or the fastest way to the ground under normal flight configuration and the problem scenario he was in. Engine out means all kind of bad shit, has happened, could happen or is going to happen.

The one thing I do, and all pilots do, is you are constantly looking for a place to land within your glide slope. Always....even with the engine purring along at 6000 feet on a clear day with flat ground under you. I can have my engine go out, dump on full flaps and take my time picking out where I am going to land, make a couple of radio and cell phone calls. Even try and restart the engine a few times.

That changes closer to the ground or in hilly terrain. The FA- 18 has no fucking glide slope other than straight down, real fast.

Left Seaters take on San Diego airspace is spot on..as you would expect a high time commercial pilots to be..pretty fucking congested and you can fly a different approach every time you go in there. I stay the fuck of of TCA areas for exactly that reason, and the fact Maules /Cessnas and 737's, and FA 18 don't go well together.

The chances of getting out of a Cessna are pretty slim as well, since I ..well ...don't wear a parachute. If the shit goes sour, then I get on the ground or I crash. I may walk away or die, but I will take that chance since I can fly thousands of miles and not be exposed to the danger I am just driving to the fucking strip to go flying.

Chances are the Hornet was is a fairly rapid descent from flight altitude with an engine out. There is a very specific flight profile he was probably trying to fly, with those conditions present. Remember, from the time the shit went bad to impact, is about 3/4 of the time it took to read this paragraph.

Bullshit! The idea of F-18s flying around any town is disgusting. Who are we supposed to be attacking with these over-priced pieces of shit anyway? Seriously, who are we supposed to be ready to attack? More Iraqis--perhaps some of the several million who have been displaced? Perhaps we need these super-expensive killing machines to attack Afghani policemen and civilians as they prepare for a wedding? Who else? The Chinese? The Russians?

The entire paradigm of a war-based socio-ecnomic design for America is itself depraved and completely obsolete!

As for the pilot attempting to make it to a private landing strip (with a flight path directly over a densely populated area) this is completely inexcusable.

As for the Korean--recently freed from the harrowing clutches of a nut-cutting mother-in-law--well, he's a fucking Korean and they are simply a hysterical and unbalanced nationality--ask any Japanese--and as much as we admired his brave countrymen defending their corner stores during the Rodney King Looting of L.A. his gesture of forgiveness is hollow.

don't pay any attention to roach, let's turd. drink that fukking can of sterno down to the last drop. Drink a whole 6 pack.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Bullshit! The idea of F-18s flying around any town is disgusting.

Tell that to the people of NYC and DC on September 12, 2001.

Couple of my friends found it quite assuring that day. It's the sound of freedom you cock sucking French bastard.

Who are we supposed to be attacking with these over-priced pieces of shit anyway? Seriously, who are we supposed to be ready to attack?

If we could get some GPS coordinates, your crib that would be a great start..

As for the pilot attempting to make it to a private landing strip (with a flight path directly over a densely populated area) this is completely inexcusable.

Says the tard with no reading skills.

As for the Korean--recently freed from the harrowing clutches of a nut-cutting mother-in-law--well, he's a fucking Korean and they are simply a hysterical and unbalanced nationality--ask any Japanese--

Yeah..right ..the Japanese..such a peace loving bunch...read a bit of military /world history and you soon would find out both are equally fucked up society's and people...Japanese have this habit of lopping off peoples domes on a regular basis for the last 3000 years or so....but you would have to be able to read first, and then understand what you read, and then formulate a take..well beyond your leftist cunt bleeding drivel.

and as much as we admired his brave countrymen defending their corner stores during the Rodney King Looting of L.A. his gesture of forgiveness is hollow.

He would blow your ass away the minute you opened your pie hole and we would all buy the man a case of sake..

LTS TRN 2 wrote:they are simply a hysterical and unbalanced

Hello,

THE KOREAN ...


- can't wait two seconds -- hyperactive git'er-done-NOW mullfucks

- is STRONGLY protective of family

- usually has the name ... DONG ... placed somewhere in his name

- HATES the Jap -- hate ... did I mention hate? yeah, he fuckin' HATES all fuckin' Jap fucks

- wears a haircut that make him look like he got trapped under a spinning lawnmower blade

- use a "yell across the barnyard" voice level when speaking to a friend who's 3 ft away

- often has a patchy "pube-beard"

- love to watch goofy-as-all-hell game shows

- has strange smells coming from his 'frigerator

- (chicks) mostly wear whore heels, skirts, big earrings, long hair, and fresh make-up -- poptart rikey

- eats dogs and sometimes cats -- dumbasses

- bow to their elders or superiors

- eat using two sticks while sitting on the damn floor -- wtf is this bullshit??

- looks like a flaming retard when he trys to play REAL sports

All right, cut the specious drivel, the Marine commander has confessed that indeed the pilot had plenty of time--after the first engine failed--to attempt several options, but instead was ordered to attempt to fly RIGHT OVER the densely populated suburb. In fact, he could have bailed out over the ocean, losing the F-18, or he could have attempted to land back on the carrier. But no, in the wisdom of the Jarhead universe, the worst option was chosen, with disastrous results. Sort of like Iraq, eh?

As for the Koreans, I stand by my assessment, and hope that this wild Asiatic tribe continues to control itself.

Derron wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Bullshit! The idea of F-18s flying around any town is disgusting.

Tell that to the people of NYC and DC on September 12, 2001.

Couple of my friends found it quite assuring that day. It's the sound of freedom you cock sucking French bastard.

'Scuse me, D-ron, but there were NO F-18s scrambled to protect NYC or Washington DC that fateful day, remember? There was a fucking STAND DOWN which was clumsily masked and excused by the purported "anti-terrorist drill" they were supposedly carrying out. Surely one of the most blatant acts of corruption and espionage ever committed--and you are so densely misled and confused as to believe that this was one of the Air Force's finest moments? Oh, that's right, you're talking about 9/12, after the attacks. Well, guess what? All they had was nineteen guys with box cutters. What are the next day fighter pilots looking for? What a sick joke!