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Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:14 am
by Terry in Crapchester
Jsc810 wrote:Looks like the best conference remains the SEC.
BCS Championship Game
Records by conference
Conference Wins Losses

SEC (5-0)
Pac-10 (1-1)
Big 12 (2-4)
Big Ten (1-2)
ACC (1-2)
Big East (1-2)
BCS Bowl Series
Records by conference
Conference Wins Losses

ACC (5-10)
Big 12 (7-9)
Big East (3-3)
Big Ten (8-11)
MWC (2-0)
Pac-10 (9-4)
SEC (12-5)
WAC (1-1)
Independent (0-3)
It looks like your source considered Miami and Va Tech's BCS appearances resulting from Big East championships as Big East games for the first category, but ACC games for the second. Strange that they would do it that way.

Using the more consistent and logical approach (Big East appearances while those schools were members of the Big East), the second category would give the ACC a 2-9 record; and the Big East a 6-5 record.

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:05 pm
by MuchoBulls
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Using the more consistent and logical approach (Big East appearances while those schools were members of the Big East), the second category would give the ACC a 2-9 record; and the Big East a 6-5 record.
Taking it even a step further, the current configuration of the Big East is 3-1 in the BCS games.

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:40 pm
by SoCalTrjn
Utah is 2-0 in BCS games, they're more deserving of a top 10 spot than some of those other teams

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:20 pm
by SoCalTrjn
maybe not a 2-1 team but perhaps more than a 1-3 team

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:32 pm
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
I think SCT makes a valid argument. Your rankings seem to put more emphasis on just getting there than actually winning. I would definitely put LSU ahead of OU and OSU based on their 4-0 record and 2 MNCs and perhaps even in a tie with Florida (who are actually only 4-1 in BCS games, not 5-1).

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:58 pm
by Van
Considering conference tie ins and the whole "beauty pageant" aspect of the BCS bowl system I've pretty much given up on applying any sort of importance to the relationship between BCS bowl records and conference/team superiority.

It's easy to amass a great BCS bowl game attendance record when your conferences teams are always selected to play in them. It's difficult to do the same when the opposite is the case. Add to this the basic truth that many BCS bowl game match ups are heavily tilted in one team's favor and the whole thing is just one big pile of message board fodder bullshit.

Don't think so? Ask yourself this then. What if all the match ups had been switched around? What if instead of getting Ohio St LSU was pitted against USC? What if instead of ND LSU was pitted against Texas? What if instead of Florida twice getting the nod to play in the title game Texas, Utah or USC received those invitations?

This entire thing is predicated on subjective criteria and "what ifs." When this criteria always favors the same teams and the same conferences then guess what? Those are the teams and those are the conferences that magically put up big BCS bowl game numbers.

The game is great. Nothing is better than CF. The best of what makes CF great is better than just about anything offered by any other sport.

The rankings and the bowl records and the "championships"? Stupid tv network/cash grab based championship games where crystal footballs and huge cash prizes and even huger future modeling contracts are glibly handed out to Miss South Dakota over Miss Delaware, when neither slut was any hotter than Miss Oregon or Miss Nebraska?

Don't even bother. It's all a sham.

Re: best conferences and programs of the BCS era

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:21 pm
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
Jsc810 wrote:LSU has only played in 4 BCS games, whereas both OSU and OU have played in 7 BCS games.
LSU has only played in two championship games, whereas OSU has played in three and OU has played in four.

My heart says LSU, but my head says OSU and OU belong ahead of LSU on this list.
Let me put it to you this way - as an LSU fan, would you exchange one of those crystal footballs for a few more MNC game or BCS bowl game appearances?

The Cowboys played in more Super Bowls (5) in the '70s than the Steelers did (4), but nobody in their right mind considers Dallas the "Team of the '70s."