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Interesting website - and book - about GITMO.

http://www.insidegitmo.com

Wasting some time in there I found an interesting link.

http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarchive ... ctness.php

The author of this piece has the following "street-cred"

Brigitte Gabriel is a native of the Arab world and a former news anchor of World News for Middle East Television. She is now a contributing editor of Family Security Matters and founder of American Congress for Truth. During her childhood, radical Islamists destroyed Gabriel's home because she was a Christian. She spent 2-1/2 months in the hospital and then lived under ground for seven years with no electricity and little food. Bridgitt eventually became a news anchor, and later moved to the U.S. where she's a true American success story - own business, husband, two kids, etc.

She details her knowledge of Arab culture, with respect to "torture" and the treatment of one's enemies.

Torture is accepted and even expected in the Arab world. Yes, I know what you're thinking - that's not politically correct in most mainstream media. And you know some nice Arabs who have immigrated to America. But it's the truth in the Arab world. Might makes right. Real men don't eat quiche. They prove their manhood by the way they treat their enemy. After all it's what Muhammad did to the unbelievers - Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians in the Quoran - the 'holy book' allegedly mishandled in Guantanamo prison.

Arab Muslim men gain honor by shaming, belittling, abusing and torturing their enemy in the most horrific ways. Just look at how the Palestinians treat so-called collaborators by disemboweling them and hanging them upside down in Manger Square in Bethlehem. Look at the terrorist torture chambers that the coalition forces recently uncovered in Iraq. When people refer to the prisons of Saddam Hussein and his regime they think he is the extreme exception. Not! The truth is his torture tactics are quite the norm in the Arab world.

If you want to see torture that is beyond what any Westerner can ever imagine please go to IMPALEMENT. Yes, you read it right, impalement. You'll get a glimpse of what the Arabs do to their own people.

And goes on to suggest that our internal hystrionics over the treatment of terrorists at GITMO are a source of fun, laughter, and fodder for ridicule among them ...

They smirk because they believe that Americans have demonstrated how stupid and weak they are by caving in to stories about maltreatment of Guantanamo detainees. They are watching our critics in this country and counting on them to embolden the radical Islamic cause and weaken our resolve.

Put within the context of the Arab world's frame of reference of "prison" she outlines how GITMO is --

Actually, Gitmo is a joke as far as the Arabs are concerned. Prison? You call that a prison? Let me tell you what some of the prisoners call Guantanamo, “Al muntazah al-dini lilmujaheden al Muslimin,” The Religious Resort for Islamic Militants. They are given three halal meals a day in accordance to their religious dictates. How many kosher prisons are there in the Arabic world? None. Jews captured in the Arab world are butchered like those obscene pictures taken in Ramallah during the frenzied slaughter of two Israeli reservists who got lost. Remember the Palestinian man holding his red, Jewish blood dripping hands, high above his head in victory? Remember Nick Berg's head being held high also?

Most of these detainees never had three meals a day in their entire life. They are gaining weight, and are living in what they refer to in Arabic as “Al-Jannah,” paradise. They have radio, television, soccer games, air-conditioning, clean clothes, and “servants” - meaning American GIs who wait on them hand and foot. They have Islamic chaplains and are handed Qu'rans, the social hate guide against Infidels, by people so concerned as not to offend that they wear latex gloves and carry the book with two hands.

Many Muslims in the Middle East would gladly give up their poverty, dictatorial governments, corrupt leaders and social bondage to enjoy the relative luxuries Guantanamo offers. They have free medical care - better than millions of uninsured Americans and our military men and women serving on the jihadists' battlefield. Some of them who couldn't afford to see an optometrist now have glasses and can see and read their Qu'ran. Others who never had the opportunity to see a dentist now have a free dental plan. It has become such a joke; we even stop interrogations to let them take prayer breaks demanded by their religion.

Maybe, closing GITMO, as it might be ineffective based upon her opinion piece is the right thing to do. It's a win-win, I suppose. I predict GITMO will no longer be used to house enemy combatants and the place where they are housed will not be what the author alleges some of the prisoners call it "'Al muntazah al-dini lilmujaheden al Muslimin,' The Religious Resort for Islamic Militants."

The new place, will house "inmates", after they've been - not just waterboarded torture - but actually severely tortured somewhere else and we won't hear about that.

I can't seem to come away from this piece with a reason to keep Gitmo - as is - going. It really doesn't seem effective. It reminds of what I read about the "Chu Hoi" program in Vietnam. Viet Cong that would surrender, allow their wounds to heal, get fattened up and then runaway to re-engage in the fight against American troops. We've already heard about this happening with Gitmo. Released invididuals being fattened up, having gotten their medical treatment, returning to the Global Jihad.

Closing Gitmo, with the appearance of us being "Just" and "Compassionate", might actually be the best thing, logisitcal issues notwithstanding. We score a win with that in the perception of the world. Further, we have the opportunity to engineer a better process and better methods of extracting information - ones that might not see the light of day with an Obama friendly media and an Obama Administration that plans on controlling information flow more than the Bush Administration.

Is there a more morally bankrupt excuse for an immoral activity in all of human hisory than "other people are doing it," I don't think I've heard it.

Dinsdale wrote:Is there a more morally bankrupt excuse for an immoral activity in all of human hisory than "other people are doing it," I don't think I've heard it.

I don't believe that is what the author is saying. The author is saying what the prisoners at Gitmo understand, from a cultural perspective. They make the all too common mistake of ... mistaking kindness for weakness. It's like kids on a playground, sometimes, if you're nice to the bully he thinks you're weak so the bullying continues. Sometimes, often, the only thing the bully understands is a good ole' fashioned ass-kicking.

America is the bully.

Martyred wrote:America is the bully.

Depends on your perspective. Take Iraq por ejemplo, I'm sure Saddam ,his supporters and benefactors, I'm sure we were perceived as the bully. However to members of the Iraqi National Congress and his countless victims I'm sure Saddam was the bully.

Tom In VA wrote:

Martyred wrote:America is the bully.

Depends on your perspective. Take Iraq por ejemplo, I'm sure Saddam ,his supporters and benefactors, I'm sure we were perceived as the bully. However to members of the Iraqi National Congress and his countless victims I'm sure Saddam was the bully.

Bullies can have bullies.

Sometimes the enemy of a tyrant...is another tyrant.

Are you bullying me ?

Dinsdale wrote:Is there a more morally bankrupt excuse for an immoral activity in all of human hisory than "other people are doing it," I don't think I've heard it.

Nice.

Given her past hysterics, seems like she senses which way the political winds are blowing and is trying to salvage whatever career she has left.

mvscal wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:Is there a more morally bankrupt excuse for an immoral activity in all of human hisory than "other people are doing it," I don't think I've heard it.

There is nothing in the least bit "immoral" happening at Gitmo well unless you consider coddling Muslim fuckstains immoral.

i do

For all the fuckups in Gitmo and the supposed coddling opinion by some....they do get shit right down there once in awhile. I have read where female interrogators on their menstrual cycle were utilized. Get this....devout/fundamentalist Muslim men don't take too kindly to being questioned by a "lowly" female. Let alone one on their cycle (if they were to be touched by such a female, they would be rendered impure) which would fuck up the inner strength and resolve not to divulge information they get from their God.

I heard the best way to break these fuckstains is to have a female rub fake menstrual blood on them and then tell them how fucked up they now are in "God's" eyes and how they will never be the same and will most certainly burn in hell for it. This works better and has more effect than gouging their fucking eyes out with a sharpened pork rib bone dipped in jew shit.

H4ever wrote:For all the fuckups in Gitmo and the supposed coddling opinion by some....they do get shit right down there once in awhile. I have read where female interrogators on their menstrual cycle were utilized. Get this....devout/fundamentalist Muslim men don't take too kindly to being questioned by a "lowly" female. Let alone one on their cycle (if they were to be touched by such a female, they would be rendered impure) which would fuck up the inner strength and resolve not to divulge information they get from their God.

I heard the best way to break these fuckstains is to have a female rub fake menstrual blood on them and then tell them how fucked up they now are in "God's" eyes and how they will never be the same and will most certainly burn in hell for it. This works better and has more effect than gouging their fucking eyes out with a sharpened pork rib bone dipped in jew shit.

Do you get all your scurrilous, right wing, titter spew from the blogs of morons?
You would benefit from reading a newspaper sometime. Even a bad one.

No, actually from a book written by a guy who did a stint in GITMO interrogating the "detainees". Are you opposed to gleaning information from these shit bags by any means possible? If you are a true American, next time your sister hosts Aunt Flo, get her ass on a plane to GITMO so she can take one for the team. Pussy.

All this just so some Jew can get his frappachino at the Tel Aviv Starbucks without seeing a frowny Arab face.

Pretty hefty price you're paying, America. I'm sure Israel is very grateful and not laughing behind your backs at all.

Martired,

Some of those frowny Arab faces are the same ones who turn farmers and vagrants over to US Authorities in Afghanistan for reward money for supposed Al Quaida ties. They get shipped to GITMO and are held indefinately, continually getting grilled for info they probably don't have. Ithink u only see what you want to see and can't bring yourself to believe that a frowny Arab could possibly sell out a fellow Muslim for the almighty buck. These are the same cocksuckers who want you and your children disembowled in the name of Allah because you are an infadel who doesn't worship the "true" God and worst of all.....you are an American dog who is not a Muslim.

Whose at fault here? Us for trying to prevent the future butchering of innocents on OUR fucking turf or the motherfuckers who cultivate and execute these plans? So a few innocents on their side get wrapped up in it? I frankly don't give two shits. Especially when you consider how some of them got to GITMO.....at the hands of their own.

There is no "pay off" to this war. Only "spend 'till it hurts".

Because a few Islamists wave some rusty box cutters, America descends into feudalism and an ever increasing divide between super-rich and everybody else.

HINT: you are the "everybody else".

Enjoy your fake war, moron, while your house/car/bank account gets looted.

[quote="Martyred"]Because a few Islamists wave some rusty box cutters....[/quote/]


I suppose you describe Pearl Harbor as "a few asians fucking around in their aircraft"??????


So what you're really trying to say is that after said few Islamists were done waving their rusty box cutters, the Al Queda shenanigans would have ceased? Muslim perception of Americans as bleeding hearts with no sack to defend their own or will to fight back is a bill you fit well.

H4ever wrote: I suppose you describe Pearl Harbor as "a few asians fucking around in their aircraft"??????

9/11 wasn't Pearl Harbor. The difference should be striking.

H4ever wrote: Muslim perception of Americans as bleeding hearts with no sack to defend their own or will to fight back is a bill you fit well.

So America invaded Iraq because they were Islamic jihadists bent global Islamic takeover...

Honestly, you neither deserve, nor could comprehend a more complicated narrative than that. Just stick
with "brown man with towel on head go boom".
Sophisticated and logical thought is looking at America in it's rear view mirror. Your McCountry is strictly suited for menial labour and general ass-raping by plutocrats at this point. Enjoy.

Correct me if I'm wrong.....the Taliban got ass-raped first and foremost after 9/11. Iraq....that was a little misguided. I will give you that.

So what would have been the appropriate response to 9/11? In your opininion? Roll over and play Canada? Ass in a prone position waiting for another rusty box-cutter to be inserted sideways?

You know, seeing as though you're turning into the new Soviet Union, I really should be on your side.

Let me ponder this...hmmmmm....

Martyred wrote: 9/11 wasn't Pearl Harbor.

It was in the sense that it finally woke the "sleeping giant".

War Wagon wrote:

Martyred wrote: 9/11 wasn't Pearl Harbor.

It was in the sense that it finally woke the "sleeping giant".

What "sleeping giant"?

You were killing people throughout the 80's and 90's. It must have been a "lightly sleeping giant".

Oh and America wasn't "sleeping" before Pearl Harbor. You knew exactly what you were doing to the Japanese...and they fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Martyred wrote:

War Wagon wrote:

Martyred wrote: 9/11 wasn't Pearl Harbor.

It was in the sense that it finally woke the "sleeping giant".

What "sleeping giant"?

I think that's just Whitey's way of saying he got a boner.