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Texas is off and running with their 2k10 class, as of Sunday evening Texas completed their first junior day and has 5 commitments.

1. Taylor Bible DT - top jr DT in the state of Texas possible rivals 5-star
2. DeAires Cotton DT - #2 rated DT in the state of Texas solid rivals 4-star
3. John Harris WR - guess he impressed coaches don't know much about him.
4. Trey Hopkins OT - received a offer from Stoops and told him he wanted to wait, got a phone call from Mack and committed on the spot.
5. Case McCoy QB - Little brother of Colt, looks like Ted from Bill and Ted. Or maybe it's Bill, can't remember.

Make that six.

6. Darius Terrell WR - A very solid prospect will likely be another Rivals 4-star prospect. Holds offers from LSU, Oklahoma, and Nebraska.

Taylor Bible

Get the fuck outta here. Nobody is actually named Taylor Bible.



Btw, that "Bill & Ted" pic accurately captures Keanu's entire acting repertoire.

Van wrote:

Taylor Bible

Get the fuck outta here. Nobody is actually named Taylor Bible.



Btw, that "Bill & Ted" pic accurately captures Keanu's entire acting repertoire.

Looking forward to seeing a defense with Blake Gideon and Taylor Bible, I just want to get a picture of them standing side by side. The real irony would be if Gideon was #6 and Bible #66.

Looks like Texas is now up to nine.

7. Tevin Jackson LB - only thing I know about him is has a offer from Oklahoma
8. Adrian Philips DB - high school teammate of Jackson also has a offer from Oklahoma
9. Aaron Benson LB - This is supposed to be a big fish has offers from LSU, Oklahoma, and nebraska

#10 is also supposed to be in the bag but nothing has been confirmed yet.

Vito Corleone wrote:Looks like Texas is now up to nine.

7. Tevin Jackson LB - only thing I know about him is has a offer from Oklahoma
8. Adrian Philips DB - high school teammate of Jackson also has a offer from Oklahoma
9. Aaron Benson LB - This is supposed to be a big fish has offers from LSU, Oklahoma, and nebraska

#10 is also supposed to be in the bag but nothing has been confirmed yet.

Bullshit on on offers from Oklahoma from all three. Oklahoma has contacted them but not made any offer; they also sent letters to about 150 other recruits so far. Oklahoma has only officially made offers to three people as of this morning. Two have already committed; one is an instate kid from Oklahoma, the second is Jonathan Miller from Garland, Texas, and the third is Adrian Peterson's cousin who is a Dlineman from San Antonio. Other than that Oklahoma has only sent letters showing interest to possible recruits. LSU sites also make the same statement concerning Benson.

Oklahoma only typically makes a full offer to about 30 kids before July then the avalanche comes. We don't follow the same philosophy as Texass in recruiting.

Vito Corleone wrote:

Who took a sledgehammer to this dude's face?

Looks like nobody bothered to remove the hook yet...

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:Looks like Texas is now up to nine.

7. Tevin Jackson LB - only thing I know about him is has a offer from Oklahoma
8. Adrian Philips DB - high school teammate of Jackson also has a offer from Oklahoma
9. Aaron Benson LB - This is supposed to be a big fish has offers from LSU, Oklahoma, and nebraska

#10 is also supposed to be in the bag but nothing has been confirmed yet.

Bullshit on on offers from Oklahoma from all three. Oklahoma has contacted them but not made any offer; they also sent letters to about 150 other recruits so far. Oklahoma has only officially made offers to three people as of this morning. Two have already committed; one is an instate kid from Oklahoma, the second is Jonathan Miller from Garland, Texas, and the third is Adrian Peterson's cousin who is a Dlineman from San Antonio. Other than that Oklahoma has only sent letters showing interest to possible recruits. LSU sites also make the same statement concerning Benson.

Oklahoma only typically makes a full offer to about 30 kids before July then the avalanche comes. We don't follow the same philosophy as Texass in recruiting.

According to rivals they have, they may be a pretty BS group but they are pretty factual when it comes to documenting things.
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=71676
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=59194
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=88025
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=89516

And if you don't like the fact that this came from the Texas site, you can go to the Oklahoma site or the main rivals site and look up those kids, it will show you all the same information.

I hope you are right about offering Texas kids, the later stoopid waits the better the Texas class will again be.

BTW Texas just landed two huge commitments
10. Ahmad Dixon S - He is #1 safety in the state, offers from OU, Ark, TT
11. Adrian White DB - His offer list is ridiculous including: Oklahoma, Kal, Florida, LSU, Tenn, UNC, and Neb

"ME LOVE MACK! COLT MY BRUDDER!!!"

Bwaaaahaaa!!!!

Vito Corleone wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:Looks like Texas is now up to nine.

7. Tevin Jackson LB - only thing I know about him is has a offer from Oklahoma
8. Adrian Philips DB - high school teammate of Jackson also has a offer from Oklahoma
9. Aaron Benson LB - This is supposed to be a big fish has offers from LSU, Oklahoma, and nebraska

#10 is also supposed to be in the bag but nothing has been confirmed yet.

Bullshit on on offers from Oklahoma from all three. Oklahoma has contacted them but not made any offer; they also sent letters to about 150 other recruits so far. Oklahoma has only officially made offers to three people as of this morning. Two have already committed; one is an instate kid from Oklahoma, the second is Jonathan Miller from Garland, Texas, and the third is Adrian Peterson's cousin who is a Dlineman from San Antonio. Other than that Oklahoma has only sent letters showing interest to possible recruits. LSU sites also make the same statement concerning Benson.

Oklahoma only typically makes a full offer to about 30 kids before July then the avalanche comes. We don't follow the same philosophy as Texass in recruiting.

According to rivals they have, they may be a pretty BS group but they are pretty factual when it comes to documenting things.
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=71676
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=59194
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=88025
http://texas.rivals.com/viewprospect.as ... _key=89516

And if you don't like the fact that this came from the Texas site, you can go to the Oklahoma site or the main rivals site and look up those kids, it will show you all the same information.

I hope you are right about offering Texas kids, the later stoopid waits the better the Texas class will again be.

BTW Texas just landed two huge commitments
10. Ahmad Dixon S - He is #1 safety in the state, offers from OU, Ark, TT
11. Adrian White DB - His offer list is ridiculous including: Oklahoma, Kal, Florida, LSU, Tenn, UNC, and Neb

Jame Hale reports differently... as far as tools go he is our version of Ketchum but when it comes to who has been offered and who hasn't he is nails. Oklahoma has only offered three kids so far and two have committed. That same philosophy workwed out just fine two years ago when OU signed six of the top ten recruits in the state of Texas.

Believe the Heupel wrote:Suncoast, Connor Wood has an offer from OU. He was at Texas' junior day and will decide between OU and Texas in the next couple of weeks.

Yeah I just read that... we made the official offer this week after Casey McCoy made it official he was Austin bound from what I understand.

I know Neb offered Bible and Cotton. Must be nice to be Mack Brown. So is Texas hopefully done at DT now? We have a big need there and that's the state we're most likely to find a couple.

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote:Suncoast, Connor Wood has an offer from OU. He was at Texas' junior day and will decide between OU and Texas in the next couple of weeks.

Yeah I just read that... we made the official offer this week after Casey McCoy made it official he was Austin bound from what I understand.

Actually it looks like we have offered seven or eight more kids in the last two days... none of them are the players that vito claimed had offers already though.

SunCoastSooner wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote:Suncoast, Connor Wood has an offer from OU. He was at Texas' junior day and will decide between OU and Texas in the next couple of weeks.

Yeah I just read that... we made the official offer this week after Casey McCoy made it official he was Austin bound from what I understand.

Actually it looks like we have offered seven or eight more kids in the last two days... none of them are the players that vito claimed had offers already though.

Good, glad to hear you haven't offered Jackson Jeffcoat, we all know he is a liar since he claims to have an offer from blOwU. Also glad to hear you haven't offered Lache Seastrunk as well.

Then again, maybe stoops has learned that he ain't going to get them so why offer.

SCS, your a bigger dumbass than mtool if you think stoopid hasn't offered more than 9 guys. He held a junior day before his 2k9 class was signed. Most of the kids who attended were North Texas kids, including at lease 5 of the kids who committed to Texas already.

Killian wrote:



"ME LOVE MACK! COLT MY BRUDDER!!!"

LOL, wonder if Mack had to do the Truffle Shuffle to get the commit.

Texas is having their next junior day on Feb 28, here is a list of those confirmed to be attending as of 2/12.

RB Dontae Williams - arguably the #2 RB in Texas behind Seastrunk
OL Jake Matthews - He is the son of Bruce Matthews has a brother that plays for a$m
ATH DeMarco Cobbs - Oklahoma kid, I hear Texas will offer him as an athlete
LB Shaun Lewis
S Rashad Favors
ATH James Haynes
LB Kris Catlin - just a plug for him since he goes to my old high school James Madison in SA
WR DeAndre Perry
TE Nate Askew - Another guy from my old digs in San Antonio
QB Jared Barnett

Not 100% sure, but I think DE Joe Okafor younger brother of Texas signee Alex Okafor.

Danimal wrote:
LOL, wonder if Mack had to do the Truffle Shuffle to get the commit.

He did and we caught it on film

Texas got wood

QB Connor Wood - And yes, Oklahoma did offer.

Well Texas is at 20 commits now and just about done with recruiting for the 2010 class. The only offers left out there are for the super blue chip athletes.

Texas leads for the following guys

Darius White WR 5* r100 3
Reggie Wilson DE 5* r100 20


a decent shot at the following

Lache Seastrunk RB 5* r100 2
Jackson Jeffcoat DE 5* r100 6
Jordan Hicks LB 5* r100 16
DeAndrew White WR 4* r100 78



and an outside shot on these guys

Trovon Reed WR 5* r100 14
Corey Nelson LB 5* r100 24
Jake Matthews OL 4* r100 62
DeMarco Cobbs WR 4* r100 80

Of Texas 20 commitments 17 are regarded as 4-star by rivals I haven't checked what Scout has them at, so at this point Texas has pretty much sown up a top 10 class with about 4 or 5 more commitments coming.

Good that they're getting filled-up, if we're going to lose recruits to the horns we might as well get it out of the way now. Now we won't be wasting time on guys we won't get anyway, moving-on to other guys rather than wasting time and resources. Plus recruits won't be holding-out for a Texas-offer that isnt' coming.

Must be nice to be Mack and his staff, they have to spend considerably less time on recruiting than other staffs. Gives them more time for coaching and family.

Danimal wrote:Good that they're getting filled-up, if we're going to lose recruits to the horns we might as well get it out of the way now. Now we won't be wasting time on guys we won't get anyway, moving-on to other guys rather than wasting time and resources. Plus recruits won't be holding-out for a Texas-offer that isnt' coming.

Must be nice to be Mack and his staff, they have to spend considerably less time on recruiting than other staffs. Gives them more time for coaching and family.

Actually they are now spending more time on the select few that are left and not only scouting the 2011 class, but building relationships with juniors to be. It is a luxury that few schools can get away with and so far it has payed some big dividends.

The down side is that Texas does miss out on the late bloomers that blow up their senior year.

At what point will using K in the year reference no longer be considered cool?

I got using it in Y2K, as 2K is shorter than 2000. It should have been put to bed though somewhere around january 1, 2001.

Don't have a damn thing to say about the actual thread other than WGARA where a 17 year old kid feels he'll get the best pussy. I'd like to see some sort of data on high school scouting reports compared to what actually happens when they get to BTPCF. I suspect there are a handful of can't miss kids along with a much larger number than don't really amount to much.

smackaholic wrote:I'd like to see some sort of data on high school scouting reports compared to what actually happens when they get to BTPCF. I suspect there are a handful of can't miss kids along with a much larger number than don't really amount to much.

I don't know exactly where to look for it, but I'm sure that somewhere on the interwebs there is someone who is keeping track of that stuff.

In any event, count me as being very firmly in the camp that holds player development as even more important than recruiting. Of course, I was in ND during the Faust years, when ND was consistently winning recruiting national championships, but something far less than that on the field.

Yeah, you should know better than anyone that recruiting and results are 2 different things. An 18 year old is still a pretty damn raw hunk of clay. A good molder can do wonders with it. A bad molder? They go to ND.

Developing players is obviously very important but the bottom line is you won't be a consistent national title threat unless and until you're consistently winning recruiting "titles" too.

Just look at the best recruiting programs this past decade: USC, Florida, LSU and Ohio St, with OU and Texas also doing a consistent bang up job.

Now Bama is getting into the mix. Besides Bama, does anybody really see the stranglehold at the top of BTPCF shifting away any time soon from those six programs?

I won't be surprised of Tennessee begins to get a sniff again, in a couple years. I'm also still waiting on Oregon to really jump up and become the monster program they ought to be these days.

Still, it's USC, Florida, LSU, Ohio St, OU and Texas. Besides Miami, who used to dominate in recruiting before they fell off, those are your national title winners this decade. Not coincidentally, those are also the programs that've dominated when it comes to consistently pulling in the highest ranked recruiting classes.

For those people out there who are waiting for the inevitable cyclical collapse of USC, Florida, Ohio St or OU, there ya' go. That will be your sign that the end is coming. When you see USC or Florida burp up a sub Top 10 recruiting class, you'll be onto something. When it happens a couple years in a row you'll know their relative collapse is imminent.

This will likely happen too, right about the time Carroll or Meyer move on. If these guys don't bail, well, the end is nowhere near...

Van wrote:Developing players is obviously very important but the bottom line is you won't be a consistent national title threat unless and until you're consistently winning recruiting "titles" too.

Just look at the best recruiting programs this past decade: USC, Florida, LSU and Ohio St, with OU and Texas also doing a consistent bang up job.

Now Bama is getting into the mix. Besides Bama, does anybody really see the stranglehold at the top of BTPCF shifting away any time soon from those six programs?

Before this year, Weis could make a case that he was pulling in comparable classes. The last three classes before this year were ranked #8 (probably a bit overrated, and we've lost a lot of talent from this class since that time), #8 and #2 (would've been #1 except that 'Bama actually signed more players than they had scholarships for), respectively. This year, with fewer scholarships available than in the past, we slipped to #23, but still landed a Top 10 recruit.

I won't be surprised of Tennessee begins to get a sniff again, in a couple years.

If Kiffin doesn't get them put on probation first, I'm sure he'll be in the mix in a few years.

I'm also still waiting on Oregon to really jump up and become the monster program they ought to be these days.

This one perplexes me a little bit. Oregon certainly has the financial means backing them. But it's also a school located in a relatively small state (population wise, that is) and certainly, at least, lacking the football history of the other schools you mentioned. Still, there's a huge old vacancy available for the #2 program in the Pac-10 right now, and Oregon is at least as capable as anybody else of filling it.

Terry, I'm not sure where you're getting your rankings, especially with your contention that ND was #2 and would've been #1 in a recent year, if not for Bama.

USC has been #1 almost every year over the past five years, with only LSU in some cases breaking up their monopoly. Bama didn't become a factor until these past two seasons.

I can't recall any year under Weis when ND was as high as #2.

Texas hasn't done that well considering the company mentioned. Just looking at the rivals rankings over the last 5 years

2k9 - 5
2k8 - 14
2k7 - 5
2k6 - 5
2k5 - 20

Texas is getting good enough talent to challenge for the MNC, but by a talent standpoint we aren't supposed to win it. I think the real key is retention and development. Texas has done a damn good job at both.

I've seen 4 Texas guys mentioned in the 2010 NFL draft top 100 prospects here are their rivals rankings

Colt McCoy - Rivals 3-star
Sergio Kindle - Rivals 5-Star
Jordan Shipley - Rivals 4-star
Adam Ultakowski - Rivals 2-star

Still, three Top 5 classes in five years means Texas is right there. They're consistently near the top.

In the last five or six years it's really been either USC or LSU who've had the top ranked classes. As a result you've got four national titles, a shitload of Top 5 finishes and a few preseason #1 rankings.

It's the consistency that matters. That's what recruiting does.

Bama sure looks to join the Big Six. Check back in 2012 or so and if Saban is still there and Bama is still pulling in consistent Top 5 classes they're going to have added a couple/few Top 5 finishes in there...

Van wrote:Terry, I'm not sure where you're getting your rankings, especially with your contention that ND was #2 and would've been #1 in a recent year, if not for Bama.

USC has been #1 almost every year over the past five years, with only LSU in some cases breaking up their monopoly. Bama didn't become a factor until these past two seasons.

I can't recall any year under Weis when ND was as high as #2.

Not this past year, but the year before -- the class that included Crist, Floyd, etc. Rivals and Scout both had us ranked #2. In fairness, ESPN had us ranked only at #9, but then again, they're a relative newcomer to the recruiting ranking system.

Bama was ranked #1 that year by both Rivals and Scout, but had signed more than 25 players (I think the exact number was 32). IIRC, they were able to put some of those players in the class ahead, and some in the class behind, but that still left a few players for whom a scholarship wasn't available.

The ranking services award team that recruit the most players and not the best players. A school has 85 scholarships, Ranking services should rank each schools top 20 recruits and top 20 only, if a school signs 30 3 star players and has to drop 8 of them because of academics or no scholarships

SoCalTrjn wrote:The ranking services award team that recruit the most players and not the best players. A school has 85 scholarships, Ranking services should rank each schools top 20 recruits and top 20 only, if a school signs 30 3 star players and has to drop 8 of them because of academics or no scholarships

What the hell was your point? Worst run-on in some time man. If what?

SoCalTrjn wrote:The ranking services award team...

How or what does awarding team mean? Is that similar to 'bode? IE... The Pac 10 has team over Cal.

In fairness to socaltrjn, he is correct.

One of my pet peeves is that the recruiting services grade on the overall score of the athletes signed not on the average star ranking. a team like Bama who consistently signs 30 kids is going to do better than a team like Texas who usually signs between 18 and 23 athletes. Last year Texas signed 20 kids with an average rivals star rating of 3.85, that average ranking was 3rd best behind only Florida with 3.94 avg, and USC with a 3.89 average. Of Course Alabama won the recruiting battle on the merits of signing 28 kids. This does not take away from Bama's class they did sign 4 5-star athletes and another 14 4-star guys. So their class was pretty nice, same with LSU and Ohio st.

I really don't worry about what Scout, Rivals, or any recruiting service ranks the Texas class. It's pretty clear that right now Texas has 20 kids committed and our coaches thought so highly of those 20 kids that they offered them scholarships knowing that there were other fish out there. This isn't a case of Texas having to settle for player X because player Y chose LSU or USC.

The other thing I look for is who else offered said athlete, in Texas the 3 main power are Texas, Oklahoma, and LSU. The way I see it, if a kid gets offered by one of the three he is great, he gets an offer from two he is elite, if he gets an offer from all three you know he is super elite.

Finally if anyone thinks recruiting is overrated because of teams like Utah, think again. If Utah were in the Big 12 they would be a lot like Texas Tech, a really good team that is going to challenge for the conference championship once every 7 years. Other than that they are a dangerous team that will bite your ass if you take them for granted. And the reason for this is because they are not a recruiting power.

BTW the monkey wrench in my theory is the ACC. How the hell does FSU, Miami, and UNC consistently have top 10 classes and still suck so bad?

Sudden Sam wrote:

SoCalTrjn wrote:The ranking services award team that recruit the most players and not the best players. A school has 85 scholarships, Ranking services should rank each schools top 20 recruits and top 20 only, if a school signs 30 3 star players and has to drop 8 of them because of academics or no scholarships

Uh...I don't think so.

Left Seater wrote:

SoCalTrjn wrote:The ranking services award team that recruit the most players and not the best players. A school has 85 scholarships, Ranking services should rank each schools top 20 recruits and top 20 only, if a school signs 30 3 star players and has to drop 8 of them because of academics or no scholarships

What the hell was your point? Worst run-on in some time man. If what?

I hired a guy to decipher it. SoCalTrjn's wrong.

my bad, was obviously sidetracked during posting that one
They reward teams that sign more players and not better players.
take the top 20 players each school recruits and then rank the classes based on how good those 20 players are, that is a better way of determining who had the best class.
If a school is recruiting 30 players there is something wrong with that program or the players its been recruiting.
They need to put a higher emphasis on the average ranking per player that is signed and not the point systems they use now, by capping the total players for the ranking at 20 a school that has a healthy program and just plugs in 20 or so players each year will have a more accurate recruiting ranking than a school just throwing as much shit at the wall as possible and hoping that some of it sticks.
Id also not rank any player that has not been cleared by the NCAA to play for that school.

I agree with your last statement about waiting until they are cleared.

Don't really care one way or the other on the rest. Sometimes because of transfers, injuries, and jr's leaving early there are more than 25 'ships available.

Honestly, recruiting classes should not be graded until five years later. Then you can see how many MNCs, Conference titles, AAs, etc.

Left Seater wrote:Sometimes because of transfers, injuries, and jr's leaving early there are more than 25 'ships available.

True, but even under those circumstances, you can't award more than 25 scholarships in a single class.