T1B

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:38 pm**

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Probe: UConn violated NCAA rules

The University of Connecticut violated NCAA rules in the recruitment of former guard Nate Miles, a six-month investigation by Yahoo! Sports has found.

Miles was provided with lodging, transportation, restaurant meals and representation by Josh Nochimson – a professional sports agent and former UConn student manager – between 2006 and 2008, according to multiple sources. As a representative of UConn’s athletic interests, NCAA rules barred Nochimson from having contact with Miles or from providing him with anything of value.

A UConn assistant coach said he made Nochimson aware of the Huskies’ recruitment of Miles. Later, the assistant coach said he knew that Nochimson and Miles had talked.

The relationship and UConn’s knowledge of the situation are potential major NCAA violations. The findings are part of Yahoo! Sports’ ongoing look into the changing role of agents and their impact on college basketball. Agents aren’t just recruiting players from college programs, they are recruiting players for them, according to an NCAA official.

The UConn basketball staff was in constant contact with Nochimson during a nearly two-year period up to and after Miles’ recruitment. Five different UConn coaches traded at least 1,565 phone and text communications with Nochimson, including 16 from head coach Jim Calhoun. Yahoo! Sports obtained the records through the Freedom of Information Act. The documents were requested in October and received two weeks ago. Many of UConn’s communications with Nochimson were clustered with calls and texts to Miles or his inner circle.

UConn athletic director Jeff Hathaway and Calhoun declined comment through a university spokesman late Tuesday.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:13 pm**

"None of it. Not a dime."

-JC

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:20 pm**

Calhoun had a presser scheduled for today. Should be interesting...

"Get some facts and come back and see me. Get some facts and come back and see me. Get some facts and come back and see me.

Next question."

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:27 pm**

If I were a taxpayer in the state of CunT, I'd be outraged over this waste of taxpayer minutes ERRRR dollars. As you said, they better have had a good phone plan.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:09 pm**

What was the take tonight???? What was the take? UConn men's hoops makes over 12 million dollars per year for this university...

Want some advice? Shut up.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:20 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:Maybe Calhoun can go coach Indiana.

Or Oklahoma.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:29 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:Maybe Calhoun can go coach Indiana.

Or Oklahoma.

OUr University bounced the transgressor of such actions... just sayin'.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:49 pm**

Dude -- it still happened at OU, right?

If someone's going to run Sampson smack, it really should NOT be Sooner fan...

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:56 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Dude -- it still happened at OU, right?

If someone's going to run Sampson smack, it really should NOT be Sooner fan...

OU also self reported itself and it didn't take a yahoo expose ala USC for something to be done. Calhoun will still be the coach there come the start of next season... book it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:22 pm**

Does this come with a caveat regarding UConn winning another title this year?

Calhoun will be riding off into the sunset if/when his team cuts the nets down in Detroilet. That is a fact.... known well before this mess hit.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:45 pm**

Could be quite a distraction from game planning as the tourney moves on. This can't help.

Not that I like Mizzou's chances of getting past Memphis all that much, but if somehow they do, I suddenly like the chances of making the first Final Four in school history a little better.

UConn was the last team I wanted to see when the brackets came out. Now, who knows?

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:08 pm**

Wags... Memphis is a paper Tiger.

When your "quality wins" for season consist of Gonzaga (decent) and Tennessee (

) ... uhm, yeah.

Mizzou will roll.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:51 pm**

I dunno' ucant, they looked pretty impressive against Maryland, whom I watched give North Carolina quite a battle.

Of course, I hope you're right, but I don't feel that confidence... maybe it's just an ingrained inferiorority complex.

For Mizzou to win, they'll have to play the entire game like they did against Marquette in the first half, and I'm afraid they don't have that in them. We'll see.

Speaking of the Marquette game, that's the first time all season they played a first half like that, and it damn near blew up in their face as Marquette came out in the 2nd and did to Mizzou what they normally do unto others. I was gripping, hard.

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:24 pm**

I picked Mizzou to come out of this bracket... that was, of course, before Stanley Robinson proved that the Syracuse game wasn't a fluke and the guy has continued playing like a fucking freak.

Regardless... I still think Mizzou takes this one. I don't respect Memphis. I don't respect their schedule.

Maryland needeed that ACC tournament run just to make the dance. At the end of the day, Maryland was 20-13 and 9-10 in conference come tournament time... not exactly a stellar resume. I wouldn't have put them in. So gives a fuck what Memphis did against a 10 seed?

Say it with me... fuck Coach Cal. Fuck Memphis. And while we're at it... fuck Marcus Camby too.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:52 am**

Believe the Heupel wrote:knee-jerk

Isn't that what we do here, and do well?

I've been checking out some Mizzou and Kansas boards lately. Dear lord, that's probably how I posted 8-9 years ago and I am so

This is an adult playground in comparison, and a welcome respite from rampant, hysterical myopia.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:09 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:Or maybe you can figure out what's being said.

I know the history. I didn't find your... "joke"... nor your comparison amusing. Sampson is a shit coach compared to Calhoun. Sampson... successful? In what terms? Final Fours? Natl Titles? Plus, unless IU is going to hire Tom Moore, I really don't know WTF you're babbling about. We don't know Calhoun's involvement in this (beyond the 16 calls) and if there's even going to be any penalties for him or the school. Did you read the story? Do you know the 3 major players in the "scandal"? Do you have any idea at all what you're talking about?

"Get some facts and come back and see me. Get some facts and come back and see me. Get some facts and come back and see me."

See what I'm saying?

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:59 pm**

SunCoastSooner wrote:OUr University bounced the transgressor of such actions... just sayin'.

Once again SCS you aren't letting facts get in the way of your posts. Your university didn't do shit except get bailed out of a messy situation by another school's incompetent administration. What OU may or may not have done had Sampson not been hired away is pure conjecture and speculation. Just sayin'.

Oh, and if by "self-reported" you mean got turned in by Sutton at OSU then yes, OU self-reported.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:58 pm**

Shine wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:OUr University bounced the transgressor of such actions... just sayin'.
Once again SCS you aren't letting facts get in the way of your posts. Your university didn't do shit except get bailed out of a messy situation by another school's incompetent administration. What OU may or may not have done had Sampson not been hired away is pure conjecture and speculation. Just sayin'.

Oh, and if by "self-reported" you mean got turned in by Sutton at OSU then yes, OU self-reported.

Boren had already told Sampson to start looking for new employment after the sanctions came down from the NCAA. Rather common knowledge around Norman and with the Sooner faithful so it's not conjecture. OU also didn't get bailed out. We got hit with sanctions just Indiana did. He was out the door whether IU hired or not.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:23 am**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote: Mizzou will roll.

Sir ucant, you just made my Christmas card list.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:19 pm**

Good luck tomorrow, Wags. This has the makings of a slugfest...

We will, of course, need to play better than last night and hit some fucking free throws in order to advance. That was an awful display by both teams in the "first game" at the charity stripe... especially UConn.

I am curious as to how we'll handle the Mizzou pressure. Teams that have pressed UConn have gotten burned all year long. But I am not sure if we've seen the tenacity that the Tigers bring...

Any who. Like I said earlier, I picked Mizzou to come out of this bracket, but I also had Duke playing Xavier in the East Regional Final. :doh: Let's hope my picks continue to go to shit, eh?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:42 pm**

They mentioned it during the broadcast, I forgot about Anderson coaching UAB. I can remember the thrashing the Blazers put on Kentucky several years ago in the tournament. That game last night with Memphis looked a lot like that. Missouri should attract a higher caliber of athlete and player than Anderson had at UAB so that could be a scary program in the coming years if they play that same aggressive system. UConn-Mizzou could be the most entertaining of the regional finals.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:39 pm**

Shoalzie wrote:They mentioned it during the broadcast, I forgot about Anderson coaching UAB. I can remember the thrashing the Blazers put on Kentucky several years ago in the tournament. That game last night with Memphis looked a lot like that. Missouri should attract a higher caliber of athlete and player than Anderson had at UAB so that could be a scary program in the coming years if they play that same aggressive system. UConn-Mizzou could be the most entertaining of the regional finals.

Anderson had a shit ton of talent for a school like UAB while he was there. He lived off of JUCO kids who hadn't qualified the first time around out of the Gulf Coast area. Places like Chipola, GCCC, OWC, and PJC. The Taylor twins were just simply sick on the court. I had the pleasure of watching them live and up close for two years here at OWC. My ex-wife went to school with them and had a class with one of them her sophomore year. Very nice young men at that. Had many a conversation with them, especially Donnell, waiting for her so we could have lunch together in the cafe. The man can recruit...

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:17 pm**

SunCoastSooner wrote: Boren had already told Sampson to start looking for new employment after the sanctions came down from the NCAA. Rather common knowledge around Norman and with the Sooner faithful so it's not conjecture. OU also didn't get bailed out. We got hit with sanctions just Indiana did. He was out the door whether IU hired or not.

It keeps getting better. So let me see if I've got this straight. Per the "insider/common knowledge" Sampson was told to pack his bags by OU. The same OU who saw their season come to an end on March 16th. Sampson was hired by IU on March 29th. So did it go down like this:

OU- Sampson you're out.
Sampson- Okay so I'm done now?
OU- No, not yet. Even though our season is over and we're so mad at you for the violations we're just not ready to let you go and start our coaching search.
Sampson- Uh, okay.
OU- We're also hoping that maybe some other school will be dumb enough to hire you so that we don't have to actually pull the trigger and fire you.
Sampson- Yeah, good luck finding a school with dumb enough administrators to hire a guy under an NCAA investigation.
OU- We can dream can't we.

Yep, certainly no conjecture here.

Even assuming that OU was done with Sampson, his being hired by another school bailed OU out of either:
A- paying his remaining salary or
B- legal costs from the lawsuit that would have certainly taken place had OU balked at paying Sampson

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:32 pm**

what SCS said isn't merely conjecture. again, i've posted this in other contexts, but my dad is a Norman/OKC lawyer who has been involved with OU's legal apparatus off and on for 30 years. and a basketball donor. he negotiated Billy Tubbs contract with Converse, for instance. his story was that Boren told Sampson if the allegations were true his pay would frozen(no raises). Sampson, had a minor out with Boren and a "wait and see", if Kelvin demonstrated public contrition about the violations. Kelvin didn't do it and he was told to look for another job. this is second hand information from a friend of my pops who attended at least one of these meetings.

the year it went down, my father was in Denver on business and we had dinner and a few drinks one night he was there. he outlined the scenario above to me at least 3-4 weeks before Kelvin resigned.

it's just the internet, but this is info pretty close to the program. outside of winning the NCAA tournament, Sampson was gone by President David Boren's decision (not to mention his ego).

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:13 pm**

King Crimson wrote:what SCS said isn't merely conjecture.

this is second hand information from a friend of my pops who attended at least one of these meetings.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:19 pm**

Shine wrote:
King Crimson wrote:what SCS said isn't merely conjecture.

this is second hand information from a friend of my pops who attended at least one of these meetings.

That's right shine... I'm sure in your bitter Indiana wisdom you know more than what 3 (possibly 4 because I don't know what KC donates) substantial donors to the basketball program about what went down in Norman.

Sorry that Indiana were the morons who "bailed us out" instead of Zona which Sampson was hoping that Lute was going to retire from that season. SYHTFOTW about the infinite wisdom in Bloomington that obviously abounds.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:20 pm**

and the larger context of the situation is that Kelvin wasn't exactly bullet-proof at OU. he was underappreciated by OU's football-first fans, and kind of alienated donors to a degree...the older donors were used to Tubbs' kinda open house approach to the program while KS was pretty closed door. there were "fans" bored with his style of play.....that was a constant on OU boards from 04-06. i spent a lot of time defending Kelvin since most of those critiques were irrational. people who want to be entertained by dunks more than a win....and would say so. he was finishing 2nd on a lot of big time recruits.....JR Giddens, Eaton, Mario Chalmers. in addition to losing a lot of highly regarded players out of the program: Drew Lavendar, Brandon Foust, JR Raymond, even...took a chance on UK's Rashaad Carruth (was in the program for maybe 10 days), D'Angelo Alexander. there are was always with KS the specter of the early round loss.....and he had an NIT team in 04. he loses to UW-Milwaukee in the first round and is upset by Utah in the 2nd with a top 15 team type team and that brought back the old nay sayers from the pre-Hollis Price days.

there are still fans who are cheezed off about the Final Four team....because OU had already beaten Maryland and Kansas and IU was a team most people would pick them to beat at the time. even the positives carried a taint with a lot of OU's basketball "fans".

stories about him becoming increasingly surly and arrogant around staff and fans were numerous (though, as I've also said, Kelvin was always very nice to my mom who lived in an adjacent neighborhood....and outside Wayman Tisdale she couldn't tell you the name of a half-dozen OU ballers).

David Boren the politician, if anything, is a guy who is all about public perception...and there were plenty of people who were ready to see Kelvin move on at the time. I didn't agree with them; but, it is the case.

what's my point? Kelvin's popularity was mos def on the wane in Oklahoma. Sadly, he fucked himself at OU and IU right about the time he was really starting to get national respect across the board.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:21 pm**

Shine wrote:
King Crimson wrote:what SCS said isn't merely conjecture.

this is second hand information from a friend of my pops who attended at least one of these meetings.

whatever.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:26 pm**

Yes, because we all know the things we hear from donors and "program insiders" is true.

Sin,

Izzo to Bama
Donovan to UK
Alford to IU
etc
etc
etc

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:29 pm**

King Crimson wrote:and the larger context of the situation is that Kelvin wasn't exactly bullet-proof at OU. he was underappreciated by OU's football-first fans, and kind of alienated donors to a degree...the older donors were used to Tubbs' kinda open house approach to the program while KS was pretty closed door. there were "fans" bored with his style of play.....that was a constant on OU boards from 04-06. i spent a lot of time defending Kelvin since most of those critiques were irrational. people who want to be entertained by dunks more than a win....and would say so. he was finishing 2nd on a lot of big time recruits.....JR Giddens, Eaton, Mario Chalmers, Sheldon Williams, and Azumbike. in addition to losing a lot of highly regarded players out of the program: Drew Lavendar, Brandon Foust, JR Raymond, even...took a chance on UK's Rashaad Carruth (was in the program for maybe 10 days), D'Angelo Alexander. there are was always with KS the specter of the early round loss.....and he had an NIT team in 04. he loses to UW-Milwaukee in the first round and is upset by Utah in the 2nd with a top 15 team type team and that brought back the old nay sayers from the pre-Hollis Price days.

there are still fans who are cheezed off about the Final Four team....because OU had already beaten Maryland and Kansas and IU was a team most people would pick them to beat at the time. even the positives carried a taint with a lot of OU's basketball "fans".

stories about him becoming increasingly surly and arrogant around staff and fans were numerous (though, as I've also said, Kelvin was always very nice to my mom who lived in an adjacent neighborhood....and outside Wayman Tisdale she couldn't tell you the name of a half-dozen OU ballers).

David Boren the politician, if anything, is a guy who is all about public perception...and there were plenty of people who were ready to see Kelvin move on at the time. I didn't agree with them; but, it is the case.

what's my point? Kelvin's popularity was mos def on the wane in Oklahoma. Sadly, he fucked himself at OU and IU right about the time he was really starting to get national respect across the board.

Fixed some of that for you there KC in bold..

I was one of those defenders of KS as well (I assume you're speaking of the OUI board especially) if you will recall.

Although in KS's defense on Alexander... I know some of his family and DA did what he did to himself. I was shocked that any D1A program was willing to touch him with a 10 foot pole if they had inquired to the situation.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:31 pm**

Shine wrote:Yes, because we all know the things we hear from donors and "program insiders" is true.

Sin,

Izzo to Bama
Donovan to UK
Alford to IU
etc
etc
etc

Boren and Joe C. take care of our donors a hell of a lot better than your Presdient and AD do apparently. That might have something to do with having a donor base that raised the largest amount of money NCAA athletics history through it's Great Expectations campaign.

But have fun watching the touney for a few more years from your seats in Bloomington while OU is dancing.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:32 pm**

Shine wrote:Yes, because we all know the things we hear from donors and "program insiders" is true.

Sin,

Izzo to Bama
Donovan to UK
Alford to IU
etc
etc
etc

now you are just being a "self appointed internet hero"....comparing apples and oranges with shoddy semantic associations.

one difference here (outside the fact no media is involved) is that what i said actually happened. conjecture is speculation about something that may or may not happen. what 3-4 of OU's attorneys knew at the time (a month before it happened) was a set of two scenarios which played out exactly as one of them told me. if you prefer to believe something else, go for it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:35 pm**

SunCoastSooner wrote:
Fixed some of that for you there KC in bold..

I was one of those defenders of KS as well (I assume you're speaking of the OUI board especially) if you will recall.

Although in KS's defense on Alexander... I know some of his family and DA did what he did to himself. I was shocked that any D1A program was willing to touch him with a 10 foot pole if they had inquired to the situation.

i left out Azuibuike since he was the other side of the Bookout/Alexander package deal from that AAU team. though, it did make D'Angelo's circumstance even more disappointing as it turned out. Williams, I simply forgot.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:42 am**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Good luck tomorrow, Wags. This has the makings of a slugfest...

I am curious as to how we'll handle the Mizzou pressure. Teams that have pressed UConn have gotten burned all year long. But I am not sure if we've seen the tenacity that the Tigers bring...

Thing is, most of the time that pressure is merely token. For every turnover it causes, they probably allow two easy baskets on the other end. But they stay with it, and it seems to take a toll over the course of the game. Smoke and mirrors, maybe...

In other words, I have no freaking idea how Mizzou is in the Elite 8 or even in the same conversation with UConn. If you had told me in December that we were one game away from the Final Four and with a realistic chance of beating UConn to get there, I'd have asked wtf are you smoking.

I'm just drinking the Kool-Aid here.

I'm wondering if the Big East is really all that. I was watching ESPN2 today and the topic under discussion was "is this the best Conference EVAH?" I was urged to believe that yes indeed, it certainly is.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:46 am**

Missouri... sure plays great defense.

They are tough hard nosers and can they ever get after it on the boards and run, run!

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:06 am**

Believe the Heupel wrote:UConn and Louisville look like the best two teams in the country right now.

zrsly?

From what I've seen in the tourney thus far, Mizzou and Oklahoma look like the best two teams.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:31 am**

War Wagon wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:UConn and Louisville look like the best two teams in the country right now.
zrsly?

From what I've seen in the tourney thus far, Mizzou and Oklahoma look like the best two teams.

i think MU can beat can anyone unless ticky tack hand checks are called with too much zeal by a crew. OU, if you give em 40% from the 3 line, they are tough to beat....but they have some weird periods of time where they are almost dysfunctional.

i really liked Mike Anderson's demeanor when Memphis was kind of back in it with a minute or two left. laughing and smiling in the coaching box.

i don't about either team being the best, however. kind of a minority opinion, i like the way Pitt was managed to grind out wins when they were on the ropes. Villanova dismantled Duke. so, hard to say.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:42 am**

King Crimson wrote: i really liked Mike Anderson's demeanor...

Now that you mention it, I've liked it as well.

Dude is the picture of self-control, as every pained look on his face says, "we've already gone over this in practice a dozen times before, don't make me have to tell you again".

The man is a teacher, and his students appear to learn well.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:53 am**

hey, and congrats Wags. it's been a while. not sure it really counted with Quin. :wink:

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:20 am**

Thanks, but I'm not living in the past. Quin who?

Honestly, I've never seen anything like this. I've no frame of reference to compare it to. Just gotta' ride this wave out.

T1B

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