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Hey, Arkansas St. is a tough match-up.

Sin,
x infinity

Par for the course. BTW, nobody's impressed with scheduling Clemson, either.

HAS AUBURN LEARNED NOTHING FROM 2004!???!!!!

Not that they're a threat to go undefeated next season, but STILL.

Arkansas State isn't the issue here. The D1-AA game with Chatt is. Why not pay them off like you would have anyway and play UCLA?

Left Seater wrote:Arkansas State isn't the issue here. The D1-AA game with Chatt is. Why not pay them off like you would have anyway and play UCLA?

Because that would go against their scheduling philosophy of playing no more than one legitimate team out of conference:

Jacobs typically tries to schedule one upper-level BCS opponent each year.

Man, it's one thing if logistically things don't work out and you wind up with a cupcake city schedule. It's another thing when you ACTIVELY persue this method pussification.

I guess in the SEC, the vagina can only take so much.

Left Seater wrote:Arkansas State isn't the issue here. The D1-AA game with Chatt is. Why not pay them off like you would have anyway and play UCLA?

Gee, we could play an invisible nothing game against a bag of pork rinds, or we could play a nationally televised "prestige" game.

What should we do??

Meh. We like pork rinds.

Someone, hurry up make 'Spray the Auburn AD.

Sudden Sam wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I guess in the SEC, the vagina can only take so much.

SEC ADs like to think of it as conserving energy so's they can whip that OOC ass in bowl games.

Ahh. I thought that's what Miss St, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy, and South Carolina were for.

Sam, props for manning up and posting that. It got some run on the Ucla boards and most just yawned and chalked it up to standard operating SEC dodge. While the emphasis should be on Auburn for rejecting the opportunity, it also showed that Ucla SOUGHT to play Auburn in Georgia.....

Must be a helluva buyout in that 1-AA game contract. I guess Jerkobs spent all the loose change on Tubby's buyout.

BTW: Tubby's lake mansion is for sale.

Left Seater wrote:Arkansas State isn't the issue here. The D1-AA game with Chatt is. Why not pay them off like you would have anyway and play UCLA?

Agree that Chattanooga is (or at least should be) the expendable game here. The problem, though, is that UCLA wanted to play in the week that Arkansas State was on the schedule.

The solution would/should have been to buy out Chattanooga, then approach Arkansas State about moving the game to the week that the Chattanooga game had been scheduled for. Offer them another game in the future for their troubles. It probably would've gotten done.

Fwiw, ND faced a similar, albeit less drastic, scheduling issue awhile back. Minnesota approached ND about playing the dedication game for Minnesota's new stadium. ND refused because they had committed to Nevada (owed Nevada a favor for moving their schedule to accommodate ND in '04).

What should have happened: ND should have signed a home-and-home deal with Minnesota, playing there in '09 and at home in '10, both games as the season opener. ND should have approached Nevada and either bought out the game, or given Nevada a second game in the future in exchange for moving back the game to the '11 season. That's Kevin White for you.

Can anyone remember the last time Auburn won an OOC game on the road?

SoCalTrjn wrote:Can anyone remember the last time Auburn won an OOC game on the road?

Off the top of my head, no, I can't. I'm guessing it's someone like a Clemson, and I have no idea as to the year.

Care to enlighten us?

this is what i come up with from the Auburn official site (they've only played 3-4 OOC road games in that time span):

Sept. 4, 1997
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Auburn.............. 0 7 14 7 - 28 Record: (1-0)
Virginia............ 2 0 7 8 - 17 Record: (0-1)


http://auburntigers.cstv.com/sports/m-f ... ame01.html

edit: and FWIW, 97 is the only year between 93 and 2000 UVA didn't go to a bowl.

in the last 19 years Auburn has played a total of 6 road games OOC

1990
Cal State Fullerton at home
Louisiana Tech at home
Florida St at home
Southern Mississippi at home
1991
Georgia Southern at home
at Texas won 23-13
Southern Mississippi at home
Louisiana-Lafayette at home
1992
Samford at home
Southern Mississippi at home
Louisiana-Lafayette at home
1993
Samford at home
Southern Mississippi at home
New Mexico St. at home
1994
Louisiana-Monroe at home
East Tennessee St at home
East Carolina at home
1995
Tennessee-Chattanooga at home
Western Michigan at home
Louisiana-Monroe at home
1996
Alabama-Birmingham at home
Fresno State at home
Louisiana-Monroe at home
1997
at Virginia won 28-17
Central Florida at home
Louisiana Tech at home
1998
Virginia at home
Louisiana Tech at home
Central Florida at home
1999
Appalachian St at home
Idaho at home
Central Florida at home
2000
Wyoming at home
Northern Illinois at home
Louisiana Tech at home
2001
Ball St at home
at Syracuse lost 31-14
Louisiana Tech at home
2002
at USC lost 24-17
Western Carolina at home
Syracuse at home
Louisiana-Monroe at home
2003
USC at home
at Georgia Tech lost 17-3
Western Kentucky at home
Louisiana-Monroe at home
2004
Louisiana-Monroe at home
Citadel at home
Louisiana Tech at home
2005
Georgia Tech at home
Ball State at home
Western Kentucky at home
2006
Washington State at home
Buffalo at home
Tulane at home
Arkansas St at home
2007
Kansas State at home
South Florida at home
New Mexiso State at home
Tennessee Tech at home
2008
Louisiana-Monroe at home
Southern Mississippi at home
at West Virginia lost 34-17
Tennessee-Martin at home


So being gutless pussies scared to play the lil gutties at a quasi-home game for Auburn isnt really a shock, it's just Auburn being Auburn

If you want to know who beat who, and in what year, this source is about as good as I've found:

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/byName.htm

mgo, that's a killer site. I just bookmarked it.

This one's my favorite site for seeing how any given team has fared against any other given team, head-to-head...

http://football.stassen.com/records/opponent.html

That site will give you every game, including the year, the score and the overall series record. It only takes two mouse clicks to get every possible match up.

Yeah, the site I posted is one of Stassen's links. This is actually the main page, which has a ton of great info: http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/

Another great link from that site is this: http://www.mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/

Just pick any two teams and it will show you the all-time series and year-by-year results.

Damn, mgo, looks like you and I have some unfinished bid'ness. It's time for the belated rubber match!

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/rec ... igan+State

4-4. Damn, I didn't realize that. Do you remember the 88 Rose Bowl? I was 6 years old at the time.

Shit, I graduated high school the year you were born.



As for that game, I remember being surprised USC was even in a Rose Bowl, since the 80's and especially the 90's were pretty much the pits for USC.

You know what I remember most about that game? I remember all the pre-game nostalgia pieces on MSU, about their huge season in '66, when they were one tie against ND away from a perfect season and a national title. Lotsa talk about Duffy Dougherty, which just sounded like such a gay name for a BTCPF coach.

He might as well have been named Biff.

It was a close game, but I remember thinking, "Perfect. Great. Now we're at the point where we're even losing Rose Bowls..."

SoCalTrjn wrote:So being gutless pussies scared to play the lil gutties at a quasi-home game for Auburn isnt really a shock, it's just Auburn being Auburn

Dont forget they bailed on a contract versus the Noles during that stretch also.

Wont surprise me if/when Clemson takes them out this year that we dont see a return to Death Valley for AU.

Van wrote:Damn, mgo, looks like you and I have some unfinished bid'ness. It's time for the belated rubber match!

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/rec ... igan+State

Maybe when he's out here he can settle that little tie thingy with us too....

3-3

Looks like the only Pac 10 team MSU has a losing record to is Washington, and that's at 1-2. I'm fairly surprised by this.

As is usually the case with such a small sampling of games, it just comes down to when you played a given team. Catch a team during a down cycle, bam, you're golden. Catch 'em when you're down, and they're killing it, you go 0-3 really easily.

Nah. Most seasons, USC's S.O.S. is ranked higher than Auburn's. USC traditionally has one of the best S.O.S.'s in the country, and Auburn doesn't.

Sudden Sam wrote: I read an article about Nebraska slaughtering Alabama, 38-6 (Johnny Rodgers punt return game) and Oklahoma trouncing Auburn, 40-22 in bowl games in '72 (?), I think. NU and OU finished 1 and 2 in the polls that year.

1971. NU, OU, and Colorado finished 1,2,3. CU beat #9 LSU in Baton Rouge and #6 Ohio State in Columbus OOC that year, losing only to OU and NU. though, the Buffs were blown out in each. OU's one loss was the so-called Game of the Century.

Sam, last year was an historically bad year for the Pac 10, plus ND is still in the shitter. Ohio St wasn't Ohio St, either.

That's why USC's S.O.S. was below Auburn's...barely.

Like I said, though, most years USC has a better S.O.S. than Auburn. USC has been in the top five multiple times under Pete, including a year or two where they were #1 for S.O.S.

Auburn is never that high, and they're rarely above USC.

There are two reasons for this: 1-Auburn's well documented penchant for pussified OOC scheduling. 2-Auburn is usually one of the bigger powers in the SEC, so that's one less SEC power on their schedule. In any given year in the SEC there will only be two to three really tough games on any good team's conference schedule (I say "good teams" because if you're MSU, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy or S. Carolina just about every game is a tough game) and when you combiune that with their OOC schedule their overall schedule usually just isn't that difficult...especially when it's front loaded with home games.

An 8-4 home-away schedule which includes a D1-AA game and only two to three legitimately losable games is not going to give you a high S.O.S. ranking.

Sudden Sam wrote:
Was that one of the Jack Mildren OU teams?

Mildren's senior year, Greg Pruitt's JR year. my dad's younger brother is the guy Mildren beat out in 1969. uncle had a tough spot at OU, sandwiched between 1968 All-Big 8 QB Bobby Warmack and 2 time All American Jack Mildren.

Sudden Sam wrote:We could have this argument all day every day and no one's opinion is gonna change. SEC people (and the media, coaches, rankings agencies, etc) say the league's schools play tougher schedules week in and week out because of the conference's strength most every year. Every other conferences' fans disagree. I can see others' points, yet I agree that playing an SEC schedule (even in an off year SEC schools kick ass in the bowls and win NCs :D ) is pretty damn rough.

I just sorta think since the SECers have taken on an active role of chest puffing and "WE'RE #1!!!" finger waving, above and beyond other conferences, that your guys should think about adopting the "anytime, anywhere" mantra. It would suit you well, since, you know, you're the self-ascribed Almighties of college football. Sure, other teams play weak ass schedules but they're not in the business of waxing greatness about themselves quite like the SEC. I don't quite understand how arrogance and ball-tucking can go hand-in-hand, but the SEC has found a way to pull that one off.

There's no point in citing rankings that aren't used by the BCS formula. Not that guys like Massey and Sagarin necessarily have the best systems, but their numbers are actually used by the BCS, so you can cite them and have some credibility.

As opposed to all these unofficial ranking systems everybody and their brothers have created. None of it means jack as argumentative tools.

Sudden Sam wrote:Last year, all year, we heard that the Big 12 was, by far, the strongest conference. Mississippi and Florida begged to differ.

Next year, the SEC may get kicked all over the field in every bowl game. It's cyclical.

I've posted this before, but there's a danger, I think, in reading too much into bowl games, certainly in terms of ranking the conferences. Pinpointing the motivation for a team in a bowl game is a bit tricky, but I doubt that the sixth-place team in a given conference is motivated to prove how strong its conference was.

There's also the fact that the conferences don't all get a similarly-challenging slate of bowl games. For example, the Big East typically fares relatively well in bowl games, but I don't think anyone would argue that the Big East is the best football conference in the country. At most, an argument could be made that the Big East is an underrated football conference, and that it doesn't receive a sufficiently-challenging slate of bowl games.

At most, I think the bowl games, as applied to a conference as a whole, measure the extent to which the conference met or failed to meet expectations in a given year.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:We could have this argument all day every day and no one's opinion is gonna change. SEC people (and the media, coaches, rankings agencies, etc) say the league's schools play tougher schedules week in and week out because of the conference's strength most every year. Every other conferences' fans disagree. I can see others' points, yet I agree that playing an SEC schedule (even in an off year SEC schools kick ass in the bowls and win NCs :D ) is pretty damn rough.

I just sorta think since the SECers have taken on an active role of chest puffing and "WE'RE #1!!!" finger waving, above and beyond other conferences, that your guys should think about adopting the "anytime, anywhere" mantra. It would suit you well, since, you know, you're the self-ascribed Almighties of college football. Sure, other teams play weak ass schedules but they're not in the business of waxing greatness about themselves quite like the SEC. I don't quite understand how arrogance and ball-tucking can go hand-in-hand, but the SEC has found a way to pull that one off.

^^^^ Imho, a pretty good assessment of why the SEC catches the crap it does here about its OOC scheduling.

USC sos - 16
Auburn sos - 37

According to that link.