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Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:34 pm
by Cuda
Ira Einhorn- aka the Unicorn Killer- Original Founder of Earth Day
Today's Celebrations Brought to You by the Unicorn Killer
Earth Day is a time to honor the bold progressives who managed the astonishing feat of mainstreaming antihuman nihilism by packaging it as "environmentalism." Prominent among them is Ira Einhorn, who was instrumental in establishing Earth Day. When the first one took place in 1970, Einhorn was master of ceremonies.

He has another claim to fame:

While a student at the University of Pennsylvania, Mr. Einhorn dated a Bryn Mawr College graduate by the name of Holly Maddux. When the affair ended in 1977, Mr. Einhorn went into a jealous rage and murdered her.
He concealed his crime for 18 months by stuffing Ms. Maddux's body in a trunk that he kept in his apartment. The foul odor of the decomposing corpse coming from Mr. Einhorn's Powelton Village apartment caused neighbors to complain. In 1979, police found the trunk stored in a closet in Mr. Einhorn's apartment.
Ira Einhorn, member of the counterculture pantheon, one of the founders of the environmentalist movement, icon of the liberal intelligentsia, was charged with murder. … At the bail hearing, Mr. Einhorn was praised by a contingent of luminaries — all testifying to his character. There were Ivy League professors, an Episcopalian minister and corporate executives who worked with Mr. Einhorn raising funds. They all stated under oath that he was a man of the greatest integrity.
Arlen Specter, currently Pennsylvania's senior United States Senator, was Mr. Einhorn's attorney. He managed to get the bail set at the unheard of amount of $40,000 for the suspected murderer.

Unsurprisingly, Einhorn jumped bail and escaped the country. We finally got France to cough him up by promising to give him a new trial, after he had been convicted in abstentia. He was found guilty again and given a life sentence in 2002.

Here's where Einhorn — aka the Unicorn Killer — made his second great contribution to the liberal cause:

Proclaiming his innocence, Mr. Einhorn told all that he was framed. He said it was the CIA or the FBI who committed the murder and they were trying to frame him for it because of his political activities.
Some will note that another notorious Philadelphia murderer, Mumia Abu Jamal, used this defense a few years later.

Thanks to Einhorn's clever defense, it is possible for enlightened progressives to lionize even the vilest mad dog killers. This is crucial in a movement not known for attracting the best humanity has to offer.
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Ira Einhorn, a Founding Father of the environmental movement
Einhorn kinda sounds jewish, doesn't it?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:51 pm
by Wolfman
Arbor Day--a nice little day that celebrated the environment by planting a tree has morphed into a quasi-religious and politically charged event. Sad.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:04 pm
by Mikey
I guess that means that all liberals, whacko environmentalists and anybody who cares about conservation or energy efficiency are also crazed murderers.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:26 pm
by Mikey
Guess I'd better not turn my back on the OL.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:59 pm
by LTS TRN 2
But what if Holly Maddux was cheating on him? The trunk was a bad move of course, he really should have mulched a garden or something. In the struggle for the planet, you can't just talk the politics, you've got to walk 'em.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:16 pm
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is a man! Oh, my god! Einhorn is a man?!

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:42 pm
by Mikey
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Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:53 am
by LTS TRN 2
mvscal wrote:What struggle? The planet is doing fine.
Earth to Avi...er, Rove Monkey...: I'm not fine! Deluded assholes like you have only exacerbated the dire situation.
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Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:49 pm
by Jerkovich
LTS TRN 2 wrote:
mvscal wrote:What struggle? The planet is doing fine.
Earth to Avi...er, Rove Monkey...: I'm not fine! Deluded assholes like you have only exacerbated the dire situation.
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Is that your double wide?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:17 pm
by Cuda
LTS TRN 2 wrote:
mvscal wrote:What struggle? The planet is doing fine.
Earth to Avi...er, Rove Monkey...: I'm not fine! Deluded assholes like you have only exacerbated the tire situation.
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Soak them in gasoline and give Einhorn and his ilk a nice necklace

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:32 pm
by Mikey
mvscal wrote:

OMG!! OMG!!! OMG!!!

What are we going to do?!?!?
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BTW...that long round thing is the kiln at a cement plant.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:42 pm
by Mikey
Hmmmm.....maybe we should stop using tires?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:07 pm
by Python
Taken from Wikipedia. This is how the global warning nuts sound right now with their dire predictions:

Predictions from Earth Day 1970
The following predictions were made during the first Earth Day:

Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for the first Earth Day, wrote, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation." [13]

Senator Gaylord Nelson, the founder of Earth Day, stated, "Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct." [13]

Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University, stated, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation... by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions.... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine." [13]

Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb, predicted that between 1980 and 1989, 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would starve to death. [13]

Life Magazine wrote, "... by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." [13]

Ecologist Kenneth Watt stated, "The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age." [13]

Watt also stated, "By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil." [13]

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:15 pm
by Van
Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University, stated, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation... by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions.... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine."
He selected only predominately white skinned regions as not starving. All the brown or yellow skinned places...starving.

Vapid racist fuckstain.

-TBO (The Bitter One)

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:17 pm
by indyfrisco
Python wrote:Taken from Wikipedia. This is how the global warning nuts sound right now with their dire predictions:....
Well, if the tree huggers hadn't convinced us to reduce our consumption of styrofoam years ago, all those things would have happened.

Be free and be green!

Toodles

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:17 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Python wrote:Taken from Wikipedia. This is how the global warning nuts sound right now with their dire predictions:

Predictions from Earth Day 1970
The following predictions were made during the first Earth Day:

Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for the first Earth Day, wrote, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation." [13]

Senator Gaylord Nelson, the founder of Earth Day, stated, "Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct." [13]

Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University, stated, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation... by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions.... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine." [13]

Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb, predicted that between 1980 and 1989, 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would starve to death. [13]

Life Magazine wrote, "... by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." [13]

Ecologist Kenneth Watt stated, "The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age." [13]

Watt also stated, "By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil." [13]

Most of these have unfortunately come true. The famine predictions, anyway. Look, Holly Maddux was fucking around with another man, and in the words of Jimi Hendrix--"That ain't too cool".. Free the Unicorn!!

You think some Rusp Limpdick idiocy will support you? You really believe you can front some fake nonsense as to the environmental disaster we all face? Consider if the 1970 Earth Day predictions had included: there will be gigantic dead zones in the ocean, the fragile coral systems dead, the cycles of regeneration stopped, the salmon gone....and on and on...

It's one thing to be a seething moronic Christer/Zionist and hunker behind some fake and monstrous apartheid state experiment, etc. But to attempt to disdainfully dismiss environmental problems with the haughty jabber of a total hack such as Limpdick is really pathetic.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm
by Van
Certainly none of the famine predictions...

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:32 pm
by Mikey
Van wrote:Certainly none of the famine predictions...

You're kidding, right?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:33 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Ethiopia's new famine: 'A ticking time bomb'

By Rick Hampson, USA TODAY
KONSO, Ethiopia — Once, the farmers walked for hours to bring their sorghum and maize here to market. These days they trod the same paths, parched grass crunching under foot, to carry their starving children to a feeding clinic.

Like crops, the children are weighed (in a nylon harness seat attached to a scale) and measured (with a tape to record arm circumference). The most severely malnourished are kept overnight for up to a month; the rest go home with a week's supply of Plumpy'nut, a nutritional paste.

The clinic, part of a system that didn't exist five years ago, will save almost all the children from starvation. But it can't sate the hunger that has shattered their families' livelihoods — forcing them to sell skeletal cows for a few dollars, to eat this year's food reserve and next year's seed, to keep children out of school, to flee the land itself.

"We give birth to the children," says Urmale Kasaso, whose listless 4-year-old son's cheeks are puffed up like apples from malnutrition, "but we can't grow them."

Ethiopia, perennially one of the world's hungriest nations, now faces what Oxfam, one of dozens of international aid organizations responding to the crisis, calls "a toxic cocktail."


And this is just one example.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:41 pm
by Van
Mikey wrote:
Van wrote:Certainly none of the famine predictions...
You're kidding, right?
No, I'm not. Did you even read them?
Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University, stated, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation... by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions.... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine." [13]

Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb, predicted that between 1980 and 1989, 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would starve to death. [13
Central and South America are not overrun by famine. That was a massive prediction, and it didn't even begin to come true.

China?

:lol:

Central Europe, eastern Europe or Russia?

None of these places are beset with famine, and it's now nine years beyond the date of the prediction, so it should be even worse now.

Not even all of Africa is starving.

65 million Americans have not starved.

In those predictions, the majority of the world would be hit with famine.

Are some places being hit with famine? Yes. The usual famine plagued shitholes. Were many of those same places already being hit with famine, in 1970, and well before 1970? Yes. They're fucking arid deserts, with no irrigation, and/or no governments worth a shit.

Mikey, the famine predictions turned out to be completely ludicrous. How you could even attempt to spin that one, I'd love to see.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:53 pm
by Mikey
Van wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Van wrote:Certainly none of the famine predictions...
You're kidding, right?
No, I'm not. Did you even read them?
Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University, stated, "It is already too late to avoid mass starvation... by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions.... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine." [13]

Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb, predicted that between 1980 and 1989, 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would starve to death. [13
Central and South America are not overrun by famine. That was a massive prediction, and it didn't even begin to come true.

China?

:lol:

Central Europe, eastern Europe or Russia?

None of these places are beset with famine, and it's now nine years beyond the date of the prediction, so it should be even worse now.

Not even all of Africa is starving.

65 million Americans have not starved.

In those predictions, the majority of the world would be hit with famine.

Are some places being hit with famine? Yes. The usual famine plagued shitholes. Were many of those same places already being hit with famine, in 1970, and well before 1970? Yes. They're fucking arid deserts, with no irrigation, and/or no governments worth a shit.

Mikey, the famine predictions turned out to be completely ludicrous. How you could even attempt to spin that one, I'd love to see.
You said none.

There is definitely famine in the world today, primarily in African and Central Asia. For you to argue that none of the famine predictions have materialized is a matter of splitting hairs. Famine means widespread hunger.

Anyway, those predictions were premised on the assumption that conditions would worsen if nothing was done about the problems that were developing at the time. The fact the "the whole world" is not starving today does not demonstrate that these predictions were wrong, but that the steps that have been taken since those alarms were raised have had some, but not complete, success.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:19 pm
by Van
Great, Mikey, but aside from the fact that those guys were dead nuts wrong, again, most of those places you mentioned that went on to suffer famine had already been hit by famine, so predicting that famine would strike those places wasn't exactly the same as predicting the Tampa Bay Devil Rays would play the Phillies in a World Series.

Hell, let's you and I make some other predictions, regarding the year 2045. I'll start...

The Horn Of Africa will suffer from famine, barbarism, civil war, lawlessness and a suicidal subserviance to bullshit religion and soccer.

If things don't change, the L.A. Clippers still have never won an NBA title.

Ditto, the Cubs and the Worlds Series, since 1908, and the Giants, during their entire time in San Francisco.

If they don't begin to implement some safeguards in response to their out of control industrialization, China will be the world's biggest polluter.

They will be pushed for that title by...wait...here it comes...India.

Sub Saharan Africa will have the lowest overall standard of living in the world, along with, well, the Horn Of Africa. Basically, the vast majority of Africa will be a backwards, primitive shithole.

Pete Rose will be formally enshrined in baseball's H.O.F.

The middle east will be a political hot spot, rife with intrigue and vitriol, and Nick's keen interest.

Keef Richards won't look well, but he'll still be bashing around on some Tele.

Hedonism XVII: Guantanamo Bay will be a thriving hotspot for wealthy south Floridian Jews.

London will look like Beirut, only with nicer architecture and greater cloud cover.

California's white population will be down to about 20%, and it'll be be located solely in SoCalTrjn's walled in LoCal neighborhood, and Humboldt County.

Germany will have a such a boner to attack someone, anyone, that they'll look like G Pete, on payday, at Hooters.

Cal will still be seeking their first Big Road Win, and their first Rose Bowl appearance (which they'll lose) since Ike was the president.

We'll all still be here, calling each other names.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:33 pm
by Mikey
Van wrote:I got blisters on my fingers!!!!!
:lol: :lol:

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:44 pm
by Van
They're called callouses.

:)

Oh, and since you quoted him, I'll also predict that his widow will remain one of the most annoyingly screeching and pretentious harpies in the history of this planet.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:54 pm
by LTS TRN 2
The reasons for the ever increasing famine in the world are several, but you're somehow ignoring the bottom line factor of climate change already severely impacting humanity's fragile social structure. Overpopulation, insane religions, incompetent economics and governments--these are all significant but ultimately trite compared to the essential issue of the oceans dying while Monsanto further tinkers with the planet's gene pool.

http://www.manataka.org/page1855.html
Free The Unicorn!

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:55 pm
by Mikey
Van wrote:They're called callouses.

:)

Oh, and since you quoted him, I'll also predict that his widow will remain one of the most annoyingly screeching and pretentious harpies in the history of this planet.
OK I won't argue with that.

Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking for Her Hand in the Snow)

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:05 pm
by Van
Nick, we all share the same planet. Some countries thrive, while other countries are shitholes. It has nothing to do with Monsanto, or oceans dying.

It has everything to do with culture, education, and governing. People starve, in Haiti. Haiti is part of a tropical island paradise, or at least it ought to be. No way in hell people should be starving, not in a country where food literally grows on trees.

The Nevada desert is no more habitable than the Gobi. Nobody's starving in Vegas.

When the local government has a clue, and they're not out to rape their own people, that's when starvation ceases to be an issue.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:59 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Again, you're missing the point. as bad as famine is, and for all the reasons causing it, the real problem is the overall effects of climate change--as well as the devastating effects already being noticed, i.e., the gigantic dead zones in the oceans, and the lack of water basically everywhere. You think Las Vegas is somehow in good health?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:31 am
by Van
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Again, you're missing the point. as bad as famine is, and for all the reasons causing it,
There's only one reason for famine, and climate change has absolutely nothing to do with it.
the real problem is the overall effects of climate change--
There are no overall effects of climate change; at least none that are directly causing famine. Widescale famine is now nothing more than a man made condition, confined solely to mismanaged areas of the globe.
as well as the devastating effects already being noticed, i.e., the gigantic dead zones in the oceans, and the lack of water basically everywhere.
There is no lack of water. There is only a lack of smart people, and properly altruistic people willing to take the initiative; people who are willing and able to get the water where it's needed, and to get the people to where they need to be. The water would be there, if the right people were in the right leadership roles.
You think Las Vegas is somehow in good health?
In terms of its people not starving from famine? Yes, I think Vegas is in wonderfully good health. Nobody ever dies of starvation in Vegas, and Vegas sits on a naturally arid chunk of land.

Nobody in America's deserts or its dustbowl is starving, or lacking in sufficient water.

They would be, however, if they were governed by the majority of Africa's "leaders," down through the ages.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:13 pm
by titlover
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Again, you're missing the point. as bad as famine is, and for all the reasons causing it, the real problem is the overall effects of climate change--as well as the devastating effects already being noticed, i.e., the gigantic dead zones in the oceans, and the lack of water basically everywhere. You think Las Vegas is somehow in good health?

Las Vegas doesn't have a famine problem.

~ MA Sociologist

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:18 pm
by Sirfindafold
'House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated'

Climate Depot Exclusive - Updated


Washington, DC -- UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, claimed House Democrats have refused to allow him to appear alongside former Vice President Al Gore at a high profile global warming hearing on Friday April 24, 2009 at 10am in Washington. Monckton told Climate Depot that the Democrats rescinded his scheduled joint appearance at the House Energy and Commerce hearing on Friday. Monckton said he was informed that he would not be allowed to testify alongside Gore when his plane landed from England Thursday afternoon.

“The House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,” Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. “They are cowards.”

According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had “chickened out” and there would be no joint appearance. Gore is scheduled to testify on Friday to the Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment's fourth day of hearings on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The hearing will be held in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

According to Monckton, House Democrats told the Republican committee staff earlier this week that they would be putting forward an unnamed 'celebrity' as their star witness Friday at a multi-panel climate hearing examining the House global warming bill. The "celebrity" witness turned out to be Gore. Monckton said the GOP replied they would respond to the Democrats' "celebrity" with an unnamed "celebrity" of their own. But Monckton claims that when the Democrats were told who the GOP witness would be, they refused to allow him to testify alongside Gore.

[ Update: 1:55 PM EST: A GOP House source told Climate Depot that the Democrats on the Committee said “absolutely not” to allowing Monckton to appear during today's Gore hearing. The GOP committee “pushed at multiple levels” to bring Monckton in to testify but the Democrats “refused,” according to the GOP source. Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich was called in to testify after Monckton was rejected by the committee Democrats, according to the Congressional source.]

“The Democrats have a lot to learn about the right of free speech under the US Constitution. Congress Henry Waxman's (D-CA) refusal to expose Al Gore's sci-fi comedy-horror testimony to proper, independent scrutiny by the House minority reeks of naked fear,” Monckton said from the airport Thursday evening.

“Waxman knows there has been no 'global warming' for at least a decade. Waxman knows there has been seven and a half years' global cooling. Waxman knows that, in the words of the UK High Court judge who condemned Gore's mawkish movie as materially, seriously, serially inaccurate, 'the Armageddon scenario that he depicts is not based on any scientific view,'” Monckton explained. Monckton has previously testified before the House Committee in March. (See: Monckton: Have the courage to do nothing...US Congress told climate change is not real ) Monckton has also publicly challenged Gore to a debate. (See: Al Gore Challenged to International TV Debate on Global Warming By Lord Monckton - March 19, 2007 )

A call to the Democratic office of the House Energy and Commerce Committee seeking comment was not immediately returned Thursday night.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:29 pm
by Moving Sale
Van wrote: Vegas sits on a naturally arid chunk of land.
You don't speak Spanish do you?
And let me guess, you have NO idea about how or when or why LV is where and what it is do you?

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 pm
by Mikey
Moving Sale wrote:
Van wrote: Vegas sits on a naturally arid chunk of land.
You don't speak Spanish do you?
And let me guess, you have NO idea about how or when or why LV is where and what it is do you?
Las Vegas:
spanish - cheap POS cars made by Chevrolet in the 70s.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:38 pm
by Moving Sale
Nice try.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:59 pm
by Van
TBO, link us up to some pics of the topography upon which LV now sits, circa 1900.

Then, contrast and compare it to places in the world which suffer from famine.

There won't be a "fuckchip" worth of difference, except when you compare it to places like Haiti, which have no business whatsoever starving.

For the record, here's your las vegas, your "fertile plain," when the Flamingo was being built...

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Doesn't exactly look like a bountiful oasis of plenty, does it? No, it looks like an arid shithole, a desert, like the rest of southern Nevada.

Hardly anybody lived there before the city was built there, and now millions live in the area. Was it because of a sudden climate change?

No, it was because smart people made the area livable, for large numbers of people.

Fail again, faggot.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:59 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Van, yours is a tedious and inane--and very shallow--perspective. First, Las Vegas is a great sucking blight on the planet. That is, the vast amount of water and electricity it sucks 24/7 is basically a case of environmental rape. Read this, you fucking moron!

Study: Shortages loom for water users dependent on Colorado River

By Mary Manning

Mon, Apr 20, 2009 (3:48 p.m.)

As demand increases for water in cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix and Los Angeles, climate change is projected to reduce available water in the Colorado River to produce periodic shortages, according to a new study released today.

The Colorado River delivers water to 27 million people in seven western states and Mexico, but faces reduced runoff caused by increasing demands for water and warmer temperatures, which will create systematic shortages on the river, the latest study published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences says.

That means that scheduled deliveries will likely be missed 60 to 90 percent of the time by the middle of this century, said a pair of climate researchers at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego.

"All water-use planning is based on the idea that the next 100 years will be like the last 100," said Scripps research marine physicist Tim Barnett, a co-author of the report. "We considered the question: Can the river deliver water at the levels currently scheduled if the climate changes as we expect it to. The answer is no."

Even under conservative climate change scenarios, Barnett and Scripps climate researcher David Pierce found that reductions in the runoff that feeds the Colorado could short the Southwest by 400,000 acre feet of water per year 40 percent of the time by 2025. (An acre foot of water is enough to meet the annual water needs of two households of four individuals each).

Instead, the study says that the the climate change occurring in a system conceived and allocated during the wettest period on the Colorado in the last 1,200 years has affected Lake Mead. Lake Mead has been over used by 1.3 million acre feet a year since 1999. After 1999 in the period that more demand and warmer temperatures led to the over use.

Earlier the same scientific team said that Lake Mead might go dry, or at least below the 1,000-foot level of the lowest intake to deliver water to Las Vegas, has a 50 percent chance by 2021.


Hey Van, you fucking moron, read on:

California faces 'grimmest water situation ever'

Drought causes the state's agriculture industry to disappear while residents continue to consume water at high levels

Bill Diedrich, a fourth-generation almond grower in California's Central Valley, expects that many of his trees won't make it through the year. "It's one of the grimmest water situations we've ever faced," he said. "It's an absolute emergency and anything to get water flowing quickly is needed."

The 400-mile Central Valley is many things: the world's largest agricultural area; the "salad bowl", where half of the country's vegetables are grown. But this year, with water shortages of a severity not seen for decades, many farmers and others are echoing the recent words of energy secretary Steven Chu: if current weather patterns continue, Californian agriculture could disappear.

John "Dusty" Giacone, another fourth-generation Central Valley farmer, was forced to abandon his vegetable crop and divert his scarce water to save his 4,000 hectares of almond trees.

"Taking water from a farmer is like taking a pipe from a plumber," Giacone told the Associated Press. "How do you conduct business?"

But many farmers are choosing the opposite course, abandoning their almond trees for a season in the hope that the good times, and a wetter than normal spring, might return. In the meantime, the trees are being left to die, or maintained just enough to survive.

The decline in the number of almond trees has led to an unintended consequence: a glut of bee colonies. Bees are used to pollinate almond trees, and beekeepers now face the prospect of an economic collapse as the almond market withers away.

"If it was just a drought, a big February or March could take this off the hook. But it's not just a drought," said Timothy Quinn, executive director of the Association of California Water Agencies, referring to moves to restrict water flows through some of the Central Valley to protect endangered fish.

As for your idiotic and lazy racist take on famine--due to lack of rain due to climate change--you are a joke. Or does the entire Western U.S. fall into your category of "bad leaders"?

Okay, you're officially proven ass-backwards. But We're not done with pounding your pathetic ass. Read on, bitch:


Texas Groundwater Management: Change urgently needed
By Vicki Wolf
April 22, 2009

Surface water in Texas belongs to the state. It can only be used with the state’s permission. The management of groundwater is another rather complicated, even strange story, considering how critical and urgent groundwater conservation is for Texas. Action by this legislative session to move toward more effective groundwater management is ongoing.

Groundwater levels are in decline at the same time water demand is rapidly rising. Texas will be 8.8 million acre-feet (One acre foot = 324,851 gallons of water) short of water by 2060 if new water supplies are not developed. According to the current state water plan titled Water for Texas 2007, “Existing groundwater supplies—the amount of groundwater that can be produced with current permits and existing infrastructures—are projected to decrease 32 percent between 2010 and 2060, from about 8.5 million acre-feet per year to about 5.8 million acre-feet per year.” This demand is driven by estimates of future population in which Texas is expected to more than double from 2000-2060 — from 21 million people to about 46 million.



And really, if you (or Avi/cuda-prick, your other idiot guise) think you won't get carved up on any other aspect of this issue, think again. Better yet, just try to actually think at all.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:24 pm
by Python
I don't know much, but I know this dude up above me ain't too bright.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:33 pm
by Van
Nick, yours is a very loathsome perspective. You claimed something, and you were wrong, and now you're too arrogant to admit you were wrong.

None of those predictions came true. They were completely wrong, and so are you, in attempting to say otherwise. Rather than bow out gracefully, rather than admit you missed on that one, you're now attempting to change the subject.

You're attempting to spin.

That is tedious.

Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:06 pm
by LTS TRN 2
What, the facts I present constitute a "loathsome "perspective? Really. Look, regardless of how you parse the various predictions from the Earth Day, they all add up to one conclusion: We're fucking up the planet, and it's going to hit home like a giant torpedo. And, they have been proven correct, though they were not at that time even aware of the specific centrality of climate change as the basic problem. And now, as this is coming clear, what do we have? Dickless idiots like you and Avi who are in denial as to any serious problems, and seem to regard climate change as some sort of conspiracy.

Now I have pounded you with a multitude of clear evidence as to just how fake and hollow are your claims. And you sputter back with some niggling nonsense about changing the subject? Here's the subject:

This...
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has lead to this... (yeah, that's California)
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Re: Earth Worshippers, Know Thy Gods

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:38 pm
by Van
Nick, once again, you don't even know to whom you're talking. Go ahead and link me up to where I ever said anything about what I feel about global warming, or climate change, or anything of the sort.

Not mvscal...

See, once again, you're simply attributing to me things I've never posted. Here's what I've said about this subject:

-The links Felix provided indicate a lot of uncertainty within the scientific community, for a number of reasons.

-The predictions in Python's post all turned out to be dead wrong.

-Climate change is not the reason for the famines which currently exist.

-Las Vegas could easily be famine stricken too, were it governed by Africa's usual leaders.

That's it, Nick. So, not only are you dead wrong about what I've said, you're also dead wrong about what the Earth Day people predicted. On top of all of that, you're dead wrong in trying to change the subject, from what you said before, to what you're trying to spin to now.

You don't have the balls to admit you were wrong. That is why your perspective is loathsome, and it's why you're quite tedious.