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This was what you said you least wanted to see happen, Detroit taking Stafford at #1.

What say you, now?

Crazy stat, about your Lions: They haven't had a Pro Bowl QB since...Greg Landry!!! 1971!!

Dunno, I'm just not that impressed by Stafford. Big arm, but not much else. Big arms just aren't all that important...

So, where's Sanchez going, and where's Andre Smith going?

Never saw Stafford play in person but I would have taken him in a heartbeat over Sanchez who I did see play in person twice. As I said at the time Sanchez might be talented, but he was shit for a teammate.

A BQ like fall would put a smile on my face.

"Shit for a teammate," how? The guy was supposedly very well liked by his teammates, and he was universally thought to be a better leader than Stafford.

Not a bad spot at all for Sanchez, the Jets, at #5. He may have given up a decent chunk of $$ by coming out early, as he could've easily gone #1 next year, but unlike Stafford he's not going to a shithole. He's going to a reasonably good team...in New York!

The New York and NFL media machines will go batshit in their efforts to promote this kid and make him a star. He's a "face of the franchise" kinda kid, and to be that guy for a New York team, well...

His crash could be epic, but the upside there for him is unlimited. If he does well there he could easily make up the $$ difference, just by playing in New York.

When all was said and done, that wasn't much of a fall for Andre Smith. As badly as he fucked up everything, #6 isn't bad at all.

Still...the Bengals.

A leader doesn't use the word me. That was all Sanchez was talking about when I heard him. Dude had no one to blame but himself for two of his picks against Oregon State and yet he was all over his teammates.

Two plays and his reaction from that stand out. The first was a dropped pass on a 3rd down. Sanchez yelled at the WR for a good minute. Talked all about how the WR was making him look bad. What, the drop makes you look bad? The second was a late INT where under pressure Sanchez tried to throw the ball deep downfield and it was picked off. Again on the sideline Sanchez was in his OLs face about shit. One of the tackles steps up and says well if you threw it to the sideline instead of weakly downfield we punt and play defense. When Sanchez walked away the group had nothing positive nor non explicit to say about him.

Maybe the SC staff got his act under control later but on that night they were doing damage control with everyone Sanchez yelled at.

The clip of him walking up the ramp after the game alone throwing the sweatband sums it up nicely.

The Raiders just passed on Michael freakaing Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin, to take...who????

Look, Al, Cal is not on your schedule. This guy won't do shit.

The fucking Raiders are the worst run franchise in American pro sports. Bar none.

Can't argue that.

ACC 4 of the Top 9 picks....damn shitty conference.

The Niners just punked Oakland, big time. The Raiders are never going to hear the end of this.

They had one of the worst O lines in football, and they passed on Eugene Monroe and Michael Oher. They also passed on Brian Orakpo. They had a need at WR, and they passed on both Crabtree and Maclin. They took a "speed guy," like they always do, and they end up with guys who make nine catches in a season.

Crabtree going to the Niners, that really sucks for Crabtree, though. With Singletary as the coach and with their QB and O line situation that is not going to be a WR friendly offense.

Van wrote:Crabtree going to the Niners, that really sucks for Crabtree, though. With Singletary as the coach and with their QB and O line situation that is not going to be a WR friendly offense.

He will also have to play against teams who play defense every week and dont allow bubble screens to be run every other play. Definitely an adjustment from what he is accustomed to at Taco Tech

I think Sanchez will be the better pro qb. Of course, you have to take it all with a grain of salt as he'll be with a reasonably good franchise while Stafford will be slinging for...Detroit. At least Stafford will have receivers to throw to, but no running game to balance things out, as per usual. And the protection will obviously be an issue. I have no idea about the NY oline. I don't know about Sanchez's alleged leadership issues, but I think Stafford has got some issues of his own between the ears.

He will also have to play against teams who play defense

Bwaaa

The main thing any young QB needs is a strong D and a running game. Sanchez will have some of that, Stafford won't. Stafford's also not very mobile, which doesn't bode well in Detroit. The main thing, though, is that Sanchez just seems a lot brighter and a lot more charismatic than Stafford, and that's more important than anything for a QB.

As for Sanchez yelling at his teammates, well, hell. That's hardly an indicator of anything bad. MJ, Larry Bird, Dan Marino and Steve Young, among many others, were all well known for getting on their teammmates.

Yeah, I don't think that's much of an issue at all. Shows he's got some fire in him. Stafford on the other hand was criticized a lot for taking plays off, and only kicking it into high gear when he had to. The Crap One bowl was a perfect example of that.

Wow, Maualuga fell to the early second round, while Cushing and Clay Matthews went in the first.

This is potentially one helluva "value" draft for the Bungals, getting Andre Smith at #6 and Maualuga in the second round.

Cool to see Keith Rivers and Rey teamed up again.

It was looking dicey there for Beanie Wells in the first round, too. I didn't see him falling below the Connecticut RB Brown, and certainly not all the way to the 31st pick...

Are you allergic to the NFL forum, Van?

Of all the teams, I think the 'skins and Eagles got the best value for their picks. Orapko at #13 was a bargain and Maclin at #19 a freaking steal.

WW, I'm pretty much only interested in this insofar as these are all guys we've followed here, in this forum.

For the most part, most of these guys will be invisible next season. When you look at any given draft, the majority of these first day draft picks don't do squat, not for awhile anyway.

Orakpo fell too far, agreed. The Raiders certainly could've used him, much more than the WR they took. The Raiders also should've taken Crabtree or at least Maclin above that guy.

War Wagon wrote:Are you allergic to the NFL forum, Van?

Of all the teams, I think the 'skins and Eagles got the best value for their picks. Orapko at #13 was a bargain and Maclin at #19 a freaking steal.

from a Big XII POV, i'd say both those guys have a chance to be pretty good. even though Maclin was an OU decommit and Orakpo is a horn, those are players i liked.

'Spray, the only reason Stafford went above Sanchez is Sanchez's only having played 16 games. If Sanchez and Stafford both play their senior seasons, or if Stafford had only played 16 games while Sanchez had been a three year starter, Sanchez goes #1. Stafford's arm is only marginally better than Sanchez's, who also has a big arm.

Sanchez supposedly blew everyone away at the combine.

Playing QB at USC, vs playing at Georgia? Are you kidding? USC runs a pro offense, and USC is considered one of the best training grounds for pro QBs. Stafford certainly didn't get any boost for playing at Georgia, vs playing at USC. Not a chance.

It was strictly about playing experience.

Anybody hear anything about LSU's massive Herman Johnson? What happened to him?

Neither is anyone else, but the consensus seems to be that Sanchez is less likely to be a bust than Stafford. Sanchez is viewed as the better risk.

Stafford going to Detroit, that sure didn't do the kid any favors. Detroit is a QB graveyard. He could easily end up being a bust there, even if it's not his fault. That kid had better be awfully strong, mentally. He's going to take a pounding, and he's going to receive way too much blame. He better be able to handle himself the way Aaron Rodgers handled himself last season.

Sanchez landed himself in just about the best situation possible, in terms of QB "upside." The sky is the limit for him there, being in New York.

Unfortunately, so are the depths, should he fall.

Javon Ringer to Tennessee, sweet! Even if he doesn't play, I'm glad he went to a quality franchise. I hear there has been some friction between the Titans and Lendale White (dunno how truthful that is); perhaps Ringer could be the future 3rd down or short yardage back. If nothing else, he is the consummate team player, and runs extremely hard every time he touches the ball. In terms of his character he is a coach's dream, even if he does lack some NFL size and talent.

Things not looking good for Brian Hoyer at this point, what with Harrell and Cantwell still available.

Get the feeling NFL execs all over the country have been looking at Harrell and screaming en masse, "SYSTEM QB!!"??

Probably, although I remember during his senior year he was being touted as the only Tech qb up to that point who was actually in the mold of an NFL caliber qb, depiste the "system." Guess that changed in a hurry.

Speaking of which, Pat White going to Miami, the only "Wildcat offense" team, that's potentially fairly interesting.

Cincinnati has had 5 players drafted. Cincinnati! This is why I'm thrilled about Mark Dantonio. If he can recruit like that at Cincy, I can't wait to see what he'll do at MSU.

Mgo, Cincy ended up with six players....or twice as many as Cal.



Okay, here's how our favorite teams here did...

USC: 11 players (half their team! ), tops in the nation (behind only Iowa), including three 1st rounders (behind only Iowa), which was also tops in the nation. (Behind Iowa.) USC had 13 draft eligible players. 11 of them got drafted. Uh huh.

UCLA: They took a bagel. That's really hard to fathom. An L.A. based BCS conference school, a program with at least a decent football tradition, and not a single player drafted. Good job, Karl Durrell.

Oregon: 6 players, including three in the 2nd round. Good job.

Stanford: A bagel.

Cal: 3 players, including one 1st rounder. Those vaunted Cal LBs, according to m2? Not so much.

Washington St: 1 player. They got one!! (A 6th rounder.)

Washington: Ummm, they didn't. Bagel time.

Okie St: 1 player, a 1st rounder, Brandon Pettigrew.

OU: 5 players, with no 1st rounders, but OU easily could've had three additional 1st rounders had Bradford, McCoy and Gresham all come out. Then again, they're hardly the only team who managed to retain their best underclassmen. They're just the most fortunate.

Texas: Four players, including one 1st rounder.

Ohio St: 7 players, including two 1st rounders. Not bad at all. I think Ohio St came in second; or third, counting Iowa.

Michigan: 2 players, no 1st rounders. These guys are in deep trouble.

Michigan St: 1 player, in the 5th round. Wow. That's kinda surprising. Hoyer goes undrafted.

Iowa: 4 players, no 1st rounders. (Besides all their numerous 1st rounders, who somehow got overlooked again by NFL execs.)

Wisonsin: 4 players, no 1st rounders. Wisconsin and Iowa = interchangeable.

Miami (The U): 1 player, in the 6th round. My, how the mighty have fallen.

Maryland: 5 players, including a 1st rounder. Wow. I sense a trend here.

Penn St: 5 players, including one 1st rounder.

Nebraska: 3 players, with their highest being a 5th rounder. Pelini better reverse what Callahan wrought on this program. This is just horrible, for the second year in a row.

Kansas: A bagel. Smoke & Mirrors (& scheduling), Fat Man.

Mizzou: 6 players, including two 1st rounders. Very good. Unfortunately, it's all over now. Wow, the guy who created galaxies merely by touching himself in the shower, he didn't even get drafted.

North Carolina: 5 players, icluding a 1st rounder. You know what, ACC fans might be onto something. They're not doing shit at the very highest levels of BTPCF, but the ACC is really killing it in the NFL, most every year.

Notre Dame: 1 player, in the 4th round. Holy fuck. This is not a mirage, folks, these past few seasons of ND football. ND really is this bad.

Auburn: 3 players, no 1st rounders. Auburn is dying on the vine, right before our eyes.

Alabama: 4 players, including one 1st rounder. Meh. JPW goes undrafted, confirming what we all thought.

LSU: 6 players, including one 1st rounder. Bad year, for LSU.

Ole Miss: 4 players, including two 1st rounders. Pretty damn good, for Ole Miss.

Mississippi St: A bagel. Eeeeash.

Arkansas: 1 player, in the 4th round.

Tennessee: 1 player, a 1st rounder. Lane, dude, you got your work cut out for you.

Georgia: 6 players, including two 1st rounders. Now they're in trouble, having graduated Moreno and Stafford, without having accomplished dick.

Florida: Only 3 players, including only one 1st rounder. That's what's so scary about Florida. In the next two years they're going to put 10-20 players in the draft.

Florida St: Only 1 player, with no 1st rounders. Wtf happened to FSU??

South Florida: 1 player, no 1st rounders.

Van wrote:Michigan St: 1 player, in the 5th round. Wow. That's kinda surprising. Hoyer goes undrafted.

Most surprising of all, to me, was that Ringer lasted all the way until the 5th round. He looked like a legitimate Heisman candidate against us, which may say more about us than about him.

North Carolina: 5 players, icluding a 1st rounder. You know what, ACC fans might be onto something. They're not doing shit at the very highest levels of BTPCF, but the ACC is really killing it in the NFL, most every year.

One of those non-first rounders, Brandon Tate, was on his way to being a first-rounder before getting hurt. He certainly looked like a first-rounder against us, which, again, may say more about us than about him.

Notre Dame: 1 player, in the 4th round. Holy fuck. This is not a mirage, folks, these past few seasons of ND football. ND really is this bad.

I'd like to be able to say that this was a real shock. Sadly, I can't do that. Beyond Bruton, nobody on this year's team was a lock to be drafted (Lambert was a possibility, but nothing more). Our talent lies with our underclassmen, has for a few years now, but this is ridiculous. Not sure if this is more on Weis or Willingham, probably a little of both.

Not sure who, on this board, roots for some of the teams you mentioned, though.

I included every team who has visible fans here (that I could remember) plus a few other big name programs, like Tennessee, Arkansas and The U.

Mississippi, Mississippi State and North Carolina have fans here? News to me.

For that matter, ditto on Stanford, Washington (unless you're counting BtH), and Maryland (Terpy pretty much took a powder since their BCS season).

North Carolina, in the college basketball forum, maybe . . .

Most surprising of all, to me, was that Ringer lasted all the way until the 5th round. He looked like a legitimate Heisman candidate against us, which may say more about us than about him.

Ringer hurt his draft stock when he decided to play with a seriously effed up leg the entire second half of the year when he "should've" said fuckit, and gotten the surgery he needed. He put a loooooot of miles on a very banged up leg, that may not ever fully recover now. Plus, we know how short a RB's shelf life is even for a guy without a history of injuries.

I put that in quotes because as a greedy fan who enjoyed watching his career, I'm glad he toughed it out. Basically, he blew his wad in college and that will affect his future in the NFL. But, again, as an MSU fan...no real complaints here.

That being said, 5th round was still a bit surprsing. I was thinking early-to-mid 4th round at worst.

Man, Georgia freaking makes me sick. Has there been a more under achieving program over the last decade?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Mississippi, Mississippi State and North Carolina have fans here? News to me.

Like I said...

I included a few others, as well. I included North Carolina because they did well, out of the ACC. There's been talk recently about how the ACC keeps doing well in the draft. I included Ole Miss because they had a good year. I included MSU because they're an SEC doormat, and a natural companion to Ole Miss.

For that matter, ditto on Stanford,

Blow me.

-Mikey

Washington (unless you're counting BtH),

I included Washington because I included Washington St, and because I did both MSU and Ole Miss.

and Maryland (Terpy pretty much took a powder since their BCS season).

Again, the ACC angle. Also, the m2 Factor.

North Carolina, in the college basketball forum, maybe . . .

Maybe?? They're the #1 program in hoops. Yeah, I think North Carolina would've merited an inclusion in any NBA draft discussion, especially since they're graduating most of their people.

Van wrote:

For that matter, ditto on Stanford,

Blow me.

-Mikey

Forgot about Mikey. Of course, he hasn't posted in the BTPCF forum much lately, so it's understandable.

North Carolina, in the college basketball forum, maybe . . .

Maybe?? They're the #1 program in hoops. Yeah, I think North Carolina would've merited an inclusion in any NBA draft discussion, especially since they're graduating most of their people.

You tend to overanalyze. That's what you did here.

What I was getting at is, maybe North Carolina has some fans in the college hoops forum. Not saying they don't, but I honestly can't think of any at the moment, unless you count Shine.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Most surprising of all, to me, was that Ringer lasted all the way until the 5th round. He looked like a legitimate Heisman candidate against us, which may say more about us than about him.

Ringer hurt his draft stock when he decided to play with a seriously effed up leg the entire second half of the year when he "should've" said fuckit, and gotten the surgery he needed. He put a loooooot of miles on a very banged up leg, that may not ever fully recover now. Plus, we know how short a RB's shelf life is even for a guy without a history of injuries.

Thurman Thomas had a history of injuries in college (imho, that cost him first-round status), but still had a very productive and lengthy (at least by RB standards) NFL career. Granted, I had to go back a way to find a good example here, but it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that he'll be a good NFL RB.

As a 5th round pick, there really was no downside to Ringer. If he can return to his college form, they got a steal. If not, a fifth-rounder isn't a real good bet to make the team in the first place.

TiC wrote:You tend to overanalyze. That's what you did here.

I tend to overanalyze?? You're the one who made me explain why I included certain teams, and you made me do it twice!

The whole time I was typing those explanations, I was thinking, "Jesus fuck, Terry! Who cares? I included them too, so what? Why do you have to analyze WHY I included them? Is it hurting you somehow, to have them there? Why do you care??"

Van wrote:

TiC wrote:You tend to overanalyze. That's what you did here.

I tend to overanalyze?? You're the one who made me explain why I included certain teams, and you made me do it twice!

The whole time I was typing those explanations, I was thinking, "Jesus fuck, Terry! Who cares? I included them too, so what? Why do you have to analyze WHY I included them? Is it hurting you somehow, to have them there? Why do you care??"

no you weren't. you were thinking, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Nope. I was actually kinda pissed at Terry, which almost never happens.

Van wrote:

TiC wrote:You tend to overanalyze. That's what you did here.

I tend to overanalyze?? You're the one who made me explain why I included certain teams, and you made me do it twice!

The whole time I was typing those explanations, I was thinking, "Jesus fuck, Terry! Who cares? I included them too, so what? Why do you have to analyze WHY I included them? Is it hurting you somehow, to have them there? Why do you care??"

I had to laugh when I read this. It reminded me of the whole exchange we had a few months ago on the Schmick nic.

You asked the origins of Schmick and I told you. Fair enough. But then you asked the follow-up question: why did he used to post as Schmick? Well, . . .

. . .

Fuck if I know. Some nics are pretty obvious in terms of their origins. Others can be figured out through deductive reasoning. Still others, you'll never figure them out unless the poster decides to clue you in. I long ago had filed Schmick into that last category, and thought no more of it.

Van wrote: Michigan: 2 players, no 1st rounders. These guys are in deep trouble.

why is michigan in deep trouble? if anything, this only does away with the idea that carr would've gone 8-4, 7-5 last year with the same roster. next season will be rough, but we're hardly in deep trouble.