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make this #25 in year No. 4

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4221947


http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11820284


what the hell Tebow, you need to get to baptising or some shit...i guess the UF's football team is his valley of death?

That shit gets overlooked because of Tebow. Doyel is one of the first people in the media that I have seen call out Urban. All these transgressions have basically made UF the new Miami Hurrigangstuh's.

Guess Doyel won't be on the pass list for tickets anymore.

Tebow isnt clean either, you don't get courtside tickets for NBA playoffs without money being kicked down by boosters. I think USC is going to have to figure out a way to get all prospective recruits parents in to the priest hood so they can hide the booster payoffs the way the Tebows have.

SoCalTrjn wrote:Tebow isnt clean either, you don't get courtside tickets for NBA playoffs without money being kicked down by boosters.

I am assuming he was at the game last night? Agree 100% about the money being kicked down by boosters.

So much for the Meyer to ND rumors, I guess.

If a Bible falls out of Tim Tebow's backpack and he's arrested on charges of littering, sorry. But he's gone.

Rack!

Terry in Crapchester wrote:So much for the Meyer to ND rumors, I guess.

You didn't want him in the first place right?

MuchoBulls wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:So much for the Meyer to ND rumors, I guess.

You didn't want him in the first place right?

ND, or me?

No doubt about it, ND wanted him. I wanted him too, at the time ND was pursuing him. After hearing more about him, I began to think it was a good thing he didn't come to ND.

This is the clincher, if this is the way he goes about building a winning program. If 25 of his players had been arrested at ND, he would've been gone a long time by now, no matter what the team's on-field record was.

Regarding Tebow being courtside at an NBA Finals game, would it still be illegal if someone simply gave him the ticket?

He's a famous guy. People in Florida love him. If someone at ABC or someone in the Magic front office just decided to stick him there at courtside, is that illegal, according to the NCAA?

It's not a Gators related function, and it's not a Gators related gift. Can't the kid receive gifts?

Hell, if I sent him a ticket, would his accepting of that gift be an NCAA rules infraction?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:ND, or me?

No doubt about it, ND wanted him. I wanted him too, at the time ND was pursuing him. After hearing more about him, I began to think it was a good thing he didn't come to ND.

This is the clincher, if this is the way he goes about building a winning program. If 25 of his players had been arrested at ND, he would've been gone a long time by now, no matter what the team's on-field record was.

I was specifically meaning you. Thanks for the answer. I can certainly see why you wouldn't want the guy now.

Van wrote:Regarding Tebow being courtside at an NBA Finals game, would it still be illegal if someone simply gave him the ticket?

He's a famous guy. People in Florida love him. If someone at ABC or someone in the Magic front office just decided to stick him there at courtside, is that illegal, according to the NCAA?

It's not a Gators related function, and it's not a Gators related gift. Can't the kid receive gifts?

Hell, if I sent him a ticket, would his accepting of that gift be an NCAA rules infraction?

If he was just given the ticket by someone with whom he had not known before he went to UF, then I believe it is an improper benefit by NCAA rules.

Van wrote:Regarding Tebow being courtside at an NBA Finals game, would it still be illegal if someone simply gave him the ticket?

He's a famous guy. People in Florida love him. If someone at ABC or someone in the Magic front office just decided to stick him there at courtside, is that illegal, according to the NCAA?

It's not a Gators related function, and it's not a Gators related gift. Can't the kid receive gifts?

Hell, if I sent him a ticket, would his accepting of that gift be an NCAA rules infraction?

Was the gift of the ticket given with the school's blessing? Did the school let the NCAA know about the gift? If the answer to those questions is no, then the gift is likely not allowed by the rules. Would he have been given the ticket if he didn't play football for UF? Prolly not and that is why it is an infraction.

Left Seater wrote:Was the gift of the ticket given with the school's blessing? Did the school let the NCAA know about the gift? If the answer to those questions is no, then the gift is likely not allowed by the rules. Would he have been given the ticket if he didn't play football for UF? Prolly not and that is why it is an infraction.

+1...agreed.

So, a little old lady can't knit Tebow a sweater and give it to him, just because she saw him shivering on the sidelines on tv?

Or, "Hey, coach Meyer, check this shit out. I was at Arby's, and Charles Barkley came in. He saw me, and said, 'Hey, you're Tim Tebow! Dude, wanna go to the game tonight? Here's a ticket.' Whaddya think, coach?"

"Whaddya mean, what do I think? If you wanna go to the fuggen game, go to the fuggen game. There's no law that says people can't simply give you shit. This is still America, right? He didn't try to get you to recruit his nephew to be a Gator, right?"

"No, he just saw me, and gave me a ticket."

"Then knock yourself out."

NCAA Bylaw 12.1.1.1.6 prohibits preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation.

The only exception to this rule is if there is a clear preexisting relationship between the booster and the student-athlete.

I lifted this from http://www.niagara.edu/compliance/NCAAR ... nefits.htm because the NCAA charges $16.50 for an electronic version of its bylaws.

I'm not sure why a Barkley-type would give Tebow tix other than that Tebow is an outstanding college football player and that person providing the tix certainly would not be as willing to give away such tix to any ordinary UF student.

He's a Tebow fan, he'd like to go to the game and exchange war stories with Tebow, he gives Tebow a ticket. Bam. Tebow's sitting there courtside.

Substitute Jack for Barkley, if you prefer. Instead of Lou in the stupid hat and gay shades, Jack gives his other ticket to Tebow, and there they sit courtside at the Laker game.

If I'm Jack, I tell the NCAA to fuck off and mind their own business. I say Tebow's a good kid, he's a hoops fan, I thought it'd be fun to shoot the shit with him. Blow me, and leave him alone. He didn't do anything wrong.

If I'm Tebow, I say, "Gosh darn."

You can say whatever you want but the NCAA would say, VIOLATION!


Tebow knows better as he has had to sit thru hours of what he can accept and what he can't accept (just like every other athlete out there.) Some just don't get it or don't care. But bottom line Tebow knows that had to go thru the UF compliance dept.

MuchoBulls wrote:

SoCalTrjn wrote:Tebow isnt clean either, you don't get courtside tickets for NBA playoffs without money being kicked down by boosters.

I am assuming he was at the game last night? Agree 100% about the money being kicked down by boosters.

hey,Jesus turned water into wine i'm sure Tebow hit 'em up to turn nose bleed tickets into courtside tickets.

BtH, by and large, I'd like to see all that "enforcement" go the way of Dins' hairline.

If a kid cheats in class, I have a big problem with that. If someone bribes a kid to come to their program, I have (less of) a problem with that.

If someone in Orlando Magic or ABC network management wants to give a star athlete who's already enrolled in school a free ticket to a sporting event, I have zero problems with that. He's already in school. Nobody's getting anything out of giving him that ticket. Other schools' chances at maintaining a competitive balance with the Florida Gators football team are not jeopardized in the least by Heisman winner Tim Tebow getting comped for a basketball game.

I also have no problem with the little old lady who simply sends Tebow a free sweater and a box of condoms.

At some point, common sense ought to kick in here.

Color me not surprised that Van is in favor of cheating considering his school's ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT (note: not ONLY football) is under investigation for blatant cheating.






Disclaimer: This is a drive-by, and I will not discuss further with Van U$C's "alleged" lack of institutional control that is currently under investigation.

Van,

You don't see how getting free shit and it being all over TV could influence a HS player to attend UF to get the same shit Tebow got?

Lefty, I don't care. This is America. If a private citizen wishes to give another private citizen a gift, and it's not a box of anthrax, he should be free to do so.

Not a bribe. A gift.

End of story.

If little Johnny Reb sitting at home watching tv notices Tim Tebow sitting courtside at a basketball game, and that vision of granduer suddenly motivates Johnny Reb to switch his LOI over to Florida, well...

BWAAAAHAAAA!!!!

This is all just so incredibly petty and stupid. The only way I'd give a crap about any of this would be if a Florida booster offered tickets to some kid as an incentive to sign with Florida.

"No LOI, kid, no tickets."

Other than that, don't bother me with this crap. Lil' Johnny Reb isn't switching his allegiance over to Florida because Heisman winner Tim Tebow of Florida was spotted at a hoops game. No, he's switching his allegiance over to Florida because he saw Tim Tebow win that Heisman, and he saw the guy win a couple of national titles for Florida, and he wants summadat.

That kid is more impressed by the internet pics of Tebow's hottie girlfriends than he is with seeing dude at a hoops game.

Notice they didn't comp Florida's back up free safety with those tickets? Nope. They (whoever they are) comped one of the biggest celebrities in Florida with the ticket. Dude had already established his marquee value. Having Tebow courtside at that game is just promotion by and for the NBA.

The NCAA and their petty nonsense can just go ahead and die. They've got much bigger issues before them than Heisman winners attending hoops games. The fact that they let the scheduling remain the way it is, yet they worry about crap like this? That tells me all I need to know about the NCAA, and their real priorities: Avoid the real issues, but try to appear like you're on the case, by going after school book "scandals" and hoops ticket "infractions."

Blow me, NCAA.

Van wrote:They've got much bigger issues before them than Heisman winners attending hoops games.
Blow me, NCAA.

:D :D :D :D



Uhhh, yeah, like Heisman winners parents getting free trips, loans, and housing.



Couldn't have put that on a bigger tee.

Yeah, 'cause where some kid's parents live is really a pressing issue in BTPCF. The damn game is clinging to a precipice over such earth shattering matters.

49-0 at the half, on the way to 73-0, with the entire second half being garbage time, that's nothing that needs looking at. D1-AA teams whoring themselves out to be sacrificial lambs? No biggie. We're cool with that. Keep 'em comin'. No playoffs, and no way of deciding a real champion, even when you're the only NCAA sport and indeed the only major sport in America which doesn't have these things?

No biggie.

The real issues that threaten college football are Heisman winners getting tickets to basketball games, players selling their textbooks and, holy fuck, the living arrangements of the parents of Heisman trophy winning players.

Yep, we gotta make sure we take a transparently fake "strong stance" on those dire issues. Gotta send that message. Truth & Justice!

I guess I can see where you are coming from. If my school finally spoke out about two violations I would attempt to turn attention elsewhere.


There is a reason we all love college football, and part of that is because it isn't pro football. Why not just go to the NFL scheduling of the best teams from last season play the toughest schedules. Then we can let players and their families make as much money as they can, since they are already matriculated.



http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-foo ... 09aab.html



Hey SoCal, notice neither one of them said that the NCAA changed their rules and it is not their responsibility to know the living arrangements of their student athletes parents.

Yep, Lefty, you got me. I've only been railing against the pettyness of the NCAA and its horrible scheduling and lack of a proper champion since the Reggie thing happened. My doing so now is strictly an attempt at a diversion.

Why not just go to the NFL scheduling of the best teams from last season play the toughest schedules.

Why not just go to mandatory 6-6 schedules, with equal home/road games and no games against D1-AA teams.

Why? Because it's more important to nail kids for textbook "scandals" and payment arrangements for the parents of players. Tim Tebow sitting courtside at a hoops game, THAT MUST BE STOPPED!

We have discussed the schedule tihng before. First another school needs to be added to D1-A, then you would have to exempt anyone who plays a neutral site game, and you have to make sure no one ever backs out of a contract.

Given the number of D1 teams, it's a no-brainer. Neutral site games simply alternate. No biggie. Making exceptions for things like the RRS would be fine.

In a perfect world I'd go one step further and I'd re-align the conferences. BCS conference teams would only be allowed to play BCS conference teams. No more Texas vs North Texas. There are plenty enough teams out there to do it, and there'd be no reason to back out of a scheduled date once that system was in place. Everybody would have the same scheduling imperatives. Once the schedules were set, there'd be no backing out.

Would the NCAA help Cal find a travel agent?

Van wrote:Regarding Tebow being courtside at an NBA Finals game, would it still be illegal if someone simply gave him the ticket?

He's a famous guy. People in Florida love him. If someone at ABC or someone in the Magic front office just decided to stick him there at courtside, is that illegal, according to the NCAA?

It's not a Gators related function, and it's not a Gators related gift. Can't the kid receive gifts?

Hell, if I sent him a ticket, would his accepting of that gift be an NCAA rules infraction?

Yes, one of the improper benefits that OJ Mayo had at USC was tickets to a few Raper games

SoCalTrjn wrote:
Yes, one of the improper benefits that OJ Mayo had at USC was tickets to a few Raper games

So are you driving the Mayo is guilty bus so that the BB team takes a hit and the money can be spent on sports that matter like football and baseball?

Left Seater wrote:Would the NCAA help Cal find a travel agent?

I'd task YOU to be Cal's personal chaffeur.

Believe the Heupel wrote:Look, here's the deal:

You cannot trade on your fame while participating in NCAA sports. That's the rule. Otherwise you'd have boosters paying $50k a pop for Sam Bradford to appear on a flyer for their bait stand or something. Trading on your fame includes receiving tickets to a basketball game you wouldn't be getting if you weren't famous.

Exactly. If we're going to do this, why not just pay athletes and then nobody but schools like USC, Notre Dame, and Texas will ever be competitive because no one else will have the money to pay the players enough to recruit with them.

Plain and simple, college coaches/boosters should NEVER be giving any recruit or player improper benefits. 2 reasons for that.......the first is what I already said- because it would give an even more unfair advantage to the richer schools. And secondly, because THEY ARE THE RULES. We're talking about college kids here. What sort of example is this setting for these 18-22 year olds? It's okay to break the rules to win more football games? Isn't part of coaching college athletics supposed to be about teaching these student athletes life lessons to take with them when they enter the real world after college? What sort of life lessons are learned by teaching these kids to fuck authority? I can only imagine the number of rapists those type of coaches would produce........

The Jon wrote:why not just pay athletes

Smartest thing you've ever posted.

Left Seater wrote:You can say whatever you want but the NCAA would say, VIOLATION!


Tebow knows better as he has had to sit thru hours of what he can accept and what he can't accept (just like every other athlete out there.) Some just don't get it or don't care. But bottom line Tebow knows that had to go thru the UF compliance dept.

The UF compliance department has a leg up through the Tebow loophole. Im sure his jobless mom who only volunteers at his dads church can afford courtside NBA Playoff tickets. Money or tickets or even money for tickets can be handed over to the Tebows by as many Gator boosters as possible and not have it traced through the last legal racket in this country, faith pedaling.
Would be interesting to see what the tithings and donations have been to Tebows church in the years before he got to Fla and the last few years while he has been there.

Hoping that USC is working on a Tebow loophole as we speak and are getting the parents of all their top recruits ordained as bullshit salesmen so I can start writing my tithing checks to their sky fairy as long as their kid is playing for USC

Was it ever even stated how Tebow came by the ticket? Was there ever an explanation given, by anybody?

Van wrote:Was it ever even stated how Tebow came by the ticket? Was there ever an explanation given, by anybody?

His mom said she bought it. On her church volunteer salary. I guess since she crapped Saint Tebow out of her cunt nobody is going to question where the money for the courtside ticket came from?
Didnt Lebrons mom say she bought a Hummer while he was still in High School too?

Well, to be fair, with all the world traveling the Tebows do I never got the idea that they're hurting for money. They always struck me as a fairly well off family.

Personally, I'd be inclined to take Tebow's word. If he and his mom say they bought the ticket, and that the money to pay for the ticket didn't come from siphoned off church donations, that's good enough for me. I'll need to see some evidence to the contrary before I believe otherwise. Tebow seems to be way too media savvy and way too conscientious to be involved in what would otherwise be such a public lie.

If I'm wrong, oh well. Another one bites the dust.

So then you too feel that churches should have to show how much money they take in, who gave them the money and then pay the applicable taxes on it? I agree, If I have to be 1099'd and have some prick asking me where each penny I have came from and where I spend it, so should the god pedallers.

In the Tebows case, they should have to show every cent that is donated to that church, whether or not the people donating it actually go and then if there was a sudden influx of church members and donations around the time Tim got to be in 11th or so grade to now and those dollars are coming from people tied to the Florida football program or university, Tim should be found ineligible.

What does Tebow's dad do for a living? Is their family income entirely dependent on church salary/donations?