Washington, D.C. - Sen. Tom Harkin said he wants Congress to use a climate bill to force auto companies to make new cars and trucks capable of running on 85 percent ethanol as well as conventional gasoline.
"We own the automobile companies. Why not? I think that will be an easy one," Harkin said Thursday, referring to the government interests in Chrysler and General Motors.
Energy Secretary Steven Chu said recently that all new vehicles should be equipped to run on E85. GM, Chrysler and Ford have been voluntarily making some E85-capable cars and trucks for years but have resisted being required to fit all cars for the fuel.
I wonder if Obama will smack down harkin?
Obama: "I don't want to run auto companies"
Maybe this was point...Obama nationalizes and Congress becomes a massive BoD for the car companies, banks, whatever else Obama wants to nationalize.
Corn based ethanol is a fukking joke. Ethanol made from sugar cane might make sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
smackaholic wrote:Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
^^^ Rack it. ^^^
Some of my income is from our family business farming. We don't farm corn. We buy it to feed the turkeys we farm and the chickens who produce the eggs we farm and make egg products out of. Fucking ethanol is killing our margins because corn has gotten so expensive.
smackaholic wrote:Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
^^^ Rack it. ^^^
Some of my income is from our family business farming. We don't farm corn. We buy it to feed the turkeys we farm and the chickens who produce the eggs we farm and make egg products out of. Fucking ethanol is killing our margins because corn has gotten so expensive.
Yeah, but it's making my gas prices up here in Des Moines much cheaper.
smackaholic wrote:Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
^^^ Rack it. ^^^
Some of my income is from our family business farming. We don't farm corn. We buy it to feed the turkeys we farm and the chickens who produce the eggs we farm and make egg products out of. Fucking ethanol is killing our margins because corn has gotten so expensive.
Is there nothing else turkeys can eat?
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
Fuck Harkin. Somebody needs to put that asshole out of his misery.
This is coming from a Democrat, BTW.
You can add all the jerkoffs who are supporting the increase in F22 orders that the military does not want, just because Lockheed Martin has a presence in their state and gave them a bunch of $$.
Lockheed Martin is a joke. Their plane is a boondoggle. Burn the whole fucking waste of money.
smackaholic wrote:Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
^^^ Rack it. ^^^
Some of my income is from our family business farming. We don't farm corn. We buy it to feed the turkeys we farm and the chickens who produce the eggs we farm and make egg products out of. Fucking ethanol is killing our margins because corn has gotten so expensive.
Is there nothing else turkeys can eat?
Not sure if you're just being a wise ass or a dumbass.
Corn is an excellent livestock feed. Or at least it was, because it provides a lot of nutrition for the $$$$, or it did anyway. Now we are all paying way too much for chicken or turkey or beef, because of this joke of a "green" fuel.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
smackaholic wrote:Corn based ethanol is a fukking joke. Ethanol made from sugar cane might make sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't grow in Iowa too good, so we gotta piss moey away on this bullshit and run corn prices up.
and This:
mvscal wrote:
TheJON wrote:
Yeah, but it's making my gas prices up here in Des Moines much cheaper.
But you have to buy and burn more of it because it is shitty fuel. You are a pitifully stupid bag of shit, aren't you?
+1 Spot on
Ethanol was one of the most poorly conceived alt fuel ideas ever.
I read a report that if every square inch of the north american continent was planted with corn and converted to ethanol, it would still meet less than 10% of our annual fuel consumption. And as mentioned, ethanol contibuted mightily to the run up in grain / meat prices over the last few years
Oil is the most convenient form of energy ever discovered, second only to nuclear fuels in its energy density. As a liquid, it’s easily stored, transported, and used. It’s wonderfully combustible, but with a high enough flashpoint that it doesn’t explode easily. Its complex hydrocarbon chains are the basis of the petrochemical industry, which uses oil and natural gas as a component in over half a million products, and each item is made with fossil fuel energy.
Basically, if you wanted to invent an ideal energy source, you’d create oil.
The infrastructure supporting oil use is huge, and not easily replaced. Trillions of dollars have been spent to build refineries, oil vessels, drilling rigs, the military air and naval fleets we use to ensure the oil keeps flowing, and the distribution system (i.e. pipelines, oil-delivery trucks, gas stations, etc). Not to mention the billions of cars, trucks, airplanes, and other combustion engine machines that use oil.
The energy to create all these combustion engine-driven machines -- from the mining of metallic ores to fabrication -- is monumental in scale as well. You can’t suddenly build a new fleet of solar, wind, coal, or nuclear driven tractors, trucks, and cars and billions of batteries, especially at a time when energy is growing more scarce and expensive.
BSmack wrote:Is there nothing else turkeys can eat?
Not sure if you're just being a wise ass or a dumbass.
Corn is an excellent livestock feed. Or at least it was, because it provides a lot of nutrition for the $$$$, or it did anyway. Now we are all paying way too much for chicken or turkey or beef, because of this joke of a "green" fuel.
I'm fairly familiar with the role that feed corn plays in livestock farming. My mother's side of the family has engaged in the dairy and then beef cattle business since Civil War times. So yea, I was being a little facetious. But only a little. You see I'm pretty certain that there are other food options available for turkeys. But I'm not sure of the fat/carb content of those foods and if said content would be conducive to creating the kind of turkey one would do this to.
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
TheJON wrote:
Yeah, but it's making my gas prices up here in Des Moines much cheaper.
But you have to buy and burn more of it because it is shitty fuel. You are a pitifully stupid bag of shit, aren't you?
m2 > You
So you should probably never insult anyone being that you're a racist with 21,000 plus posts on an internet message board. Run along now inferior, run along.
Turkeys and chickens could eat other food. Of course, we'd have to test what effect other food has on weight gain, fat content, taste of meat, etc. What we feed the turkeys and chickens has been a science for years. We don't ONLY feed them corn. We feed them soy as well as certain grains. The point being...over time, the "formula" of what we feed them IS THE BEST. The best for the product and the best for the profit margin.
My point was that E85 is shit. And to top it off, it is cutting into the profits of farmers who rely on corn for feed. Quit taking the partisan route and just admit, it is a failed idea. Ever had Boars Head turkey? 2 years ago it cost about $7/lb. Now it is close to $9.50/lb. We provide 100% of that turkey. The reason for the hike is what we have to pay for in corn feed.
TheJON wrote:
Yeah, but it's making my gas prices up here in Des Moines much cheaper.
But you have to buy and burn more of it because it is shitty fuel. You are a pitifully stupid bag of shit, aren't you?
m2 > You
So you should probably never insult anyone being that you're a racist with 21,000 plus posts on an internet message board. Run along now inferior, run along.
Despite the delivery MVS is spot on regarding ethanol - it lowers mileage on average 10-15% (and this results in increased emissions if you do the math) it also raises what you're paying in the store.
The drop in gas (and ethanol) prices you've seen since the economic bust earlier this year is a result of all speculation on fuel contracts - it had nothing to do with actual supply and demand.
Here's a video from 60 minutes that explains it pretty well:
mvscal wrote:Nice job waving the white flag, you shit-smeared simpleton.
Karma will get the best of you someday. It always does to racist faggots like yourself. Some black dude with a gun will bust a cap in your piehole and I will fucking laugh. Is it even murder if the piece of crap deserved it????
TheJON wrote:Karma will get the best of you someday. It always does to racist faggots like yourself. Some black dude with a gun will bust a cap in your piehole
Oh really? Is that so? Your fantasy involves ni...ggers murdering somebody for simply pointing out the fact that ni...iggers are violent, lowlife scumbags?
Good job kicking your own ass, TheRACISTFUCKTARD. Small wonder your imbecility has adorned so many sigs.
You are racist and calling someone a lowlife scumbag???
If a black man shot you in the face it would not be violent. It would be for the greater good of society. Your kind should be fucking 6 feet under and I am all for the killing of pieces of shit like you. If I were black, I would probably track your IP address and fucking do it myself. But I'm white, so I won't. Please do everyone a favor and drive through Compton in a beater pickup truck with a confederate flag strapped to the top.
Like I said.......it's not murder if you kill a racist scumbag. I'm serious when I say this, I hope you die a painful death at a young age. That ain't no joke. If it weren't illegal, I would fucking end you myself.
No, I am keeping it handy for when karma comes back to bite mvscal in the ass and then I can be the one to bury him. After I'm done burying him I will take a giant dump right on his grave and send him on his way to hell.
TheJON wrote:Karma will get the best of you someday. It always does to racist faggots like yourself. Some black dude with a gun will bust a cap in your piehole
Oh really? Is that so? Your fantasy involves ni...ggers murdering somebody for simply pointing out the fact that ni...iggers are violent, lowlife scumbags?
Good job kicking your own ass, TheRACISTFUCKTARD. Small wonder your imbecility has adorned so many sigs.
You are racist and calling someone a lowlife scumbag???
If a black man shot you in the face it would not be violent. It would be for the greater good of society. Your kind should be fucking 6 feet under and I am all for the killing of pieces of shit like you. If I were black, I would probably track your IP address and fucking do it myself. But I'm white, so I won't. Please do everyone a favor and drive through Compton in a beater pickup truck with a confederate flag strapped to the top.
Like I said.......it's not murder if you kill a racist scumbag. I'm serious when I say this, I hope you die a painful death at a young age. That ain't no joke. If it weren't illegal, I would fucking end you myself.
what are your views on the death penalty for murderers, rapists and child molesters?
TheJON wrote:
If a black man shot you in the face it would not be violent. It would be for the greater good of society. Your kind should be fucking 6 feet under and I am all for the killing of pieces of shit like you.
Like I said.......it's not murder if you kill a racist scumbag. I'm serious when I say this, I hope you die a painful death at a young age. That ain't no joke. If it weren't illegal, I would fucking end you myself.
Wow.
That is some seriously sick shit.
No. What is sick is being racist. I hate racist people. Only people in this world I hate are racists and murderers. You take racists out of the world and we'd have a much safer and better society. I have no respect for a racist. They're pieces of shit. And they deserve to be put 6 feet under. If you want racists in our society, than you have low integrity.
TheJON wrote: Only people in this world I hate are racists and murderers. You take racists out of the world and we'd have a much safer and better society.
uhhh..... if we took murderers out of the world wouldn't that be safer and better firstest?
TheJON wrote: Only people in this world I hate are racists and murderers. You take racists out of the world and we'd have a much safer and better society.
uhhh..... if we took murderers out of the world wouldn't that be safer and better firstest?
Take dumbfucks out of the world and we lose deece folk like jon here.
TheJON wrote: Only people in this world I hate are racists and murderers. You take racists out of the world and we'd have a much safer and better society.
uhhh..... if we took murderers out of the world wouldn't that be safer and better firstest?
Well, yeah. I'm fine with offing the murderers. I'm not against the death penalty. But the topic at hand was racists, so that's why I made that comment. But yes, off the murderers too.
TheJON wrote: If I were black, I would probably track your IP address and fucking do it myself. But I'm white, so I won't.
Quite possibly the most racist statement I've ever read on this board.
Is it more racist to suggest there's no blacks that would know how to track an IP address?
:doh:
I have no idea how on earth you would take what I said that way. That suggests nothing of the sort. Maybe you're just racist for thinking that's what I was trying to say????
Screw_Michigan wrote:Noj is such an expert with first-hand knowledge of race relations, coming from Iowa which has, what, 1% balck population, if that?
Shut the fuck up, idiot.
Yeah, I don't know any black people. Uh, or actually yes I do. Quite a few.
Nice comment retard about how because I live in Iowa therefore I can't dislike racist people????
Screw = Another internet tough guy. I've done a study and found that 99.99% of internet tough guys are 5'6, 120 pounds and live in their parents basement. So I give you a .01% chance of NOT fitting into that category.
How's about instead of I "shut the fuck up", you learn to say something other than "shut the fuck up"? Mmkkay??
Screw_Michigan wrote:Noj is such an expert with first-hand knowledge of race relations, coming from Iowa which has, what, 1% balck population, if that?
Shut the fuck up, idiot.
Yeah, I don't know any black people. Uh, or actually yes I do. Quite a few.
Nice comment retard about how because I live in Iowa therefore I can't dislike racist people????
Screw = Another internet tough guy. I've done a study and found that 99.99% of internet tough guys are 5'6, 120 pounds and live in their parents basement. So I give you a .01% chance of NOT fitting into that category.
How's about instead of I "shut the fuck up", you learn to say something other than "shut the fuck up"? Mmkkay??
Dude.
Calm down. Stop shouting hysterically.
Take a few seconds to wipe the spittle off your chin and the overspray off your monitor.
Then go have a beer or six and think about finding something else to occupy your time for awhile. If you keep up this message board thing you're in danger of stroking out at too young an age.
