Cash for Clunkers

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:19 pm

So we've all had a chance to think about this program now, right?

So, WTF?

$1 billion to encourage individuals to trade-in "clunkers" and purchase new, more fuel-efficient vehicles and hopefully, give a hand to the Big 3.

Instead, we get a program where the eligible vehicles to be turned in and those eligible to purchase run over a 100 each (iirc), where the DoT cannot even track how much is being spent, yet (and won't turn over the data), 6 of 10 replacement vehilces sold are Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai, and the government is needlessly destroying what, more than a hundred thousand vehicles that would otherwise have been circulated thru the used car market.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Lets hope that the Congress cannot cobble together a couple more billion for this boondoggle. What happened to all of the idiots over the last eight years whining about saddling our children and grandchildren with this debt? What? Buying new cars for us today is some generational obligation 15-25 years down the road?

Assholes!

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:33 pm

JMak wrote:So we've all had a chance to think about this program now, right?

So, WTF?

$1 billion to encourage individuals to trade-in "clunkers" and purchase new, more fuel-efficient vehicles and hopefully, give a hand to the Big 3.

Instead, we get a program where the eligible vehicles to be turned in and those eligible to purchase run over a 100 each (iirc), where the DoT cannot even track how much is being spent, yet (and won't turn over the data), 6 of 10 replacement vehilces sold are Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai, and the government is needlessly destroying what, more than a hundred thousand vehicles that would otherwise have been circulated thru the used car market.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Lets hope that the Congress cannot cobble together a couple more billion for this boondoggle. What happened to all of the idiots over the last eight years whining about saddling our children and grandchildren with this debt? What? Buying new cars for us today is some generational obligation 15-25 years down the road?

Assholes!

I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Is this English?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:36 pm

This is a program that could potentially have done some good, as far as getting some of the most polluting cars off the road, but was poorly designed from the beginning.

You can get $2500 for an efficiency improvement of only 7 MPG, $4500 for 13 MPG.

It's popular because it enabled a whole bunch of people to get new rides for under $10K.

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:57 pm

I wonder how many Dittoheads have their "clunker's" radio tuned in to El Rushbo while they roll into the local dealership to take advantage of the very program Rush is hating on. Odds are, quite a few.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:00 pm

Mikey wrote:This is a program that could potentially have done some good, as far as getting some of the most polluting cars off the road, but was poorly designed from the beginning.

You can get $2500 for an efficiency improvement of only 7 MPG, $4500 for 13 MPG.

It's popular because it enabled a whole bunch of people to get new rides for under $10K.

7 is better than zero. And it comes at a time when oil and gas stockpiles are already high.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:14 pm

BSmack wrote:7 is better than zero. And it comes at a time when oil and gas stockpiles are already high.

Just like any good lemming libtard...you fool, that 7mpg gain in fuel efficiency is totally and completely negated by the energy required to destroy the clunkers being turned in and the energy to manufacture the new cars. Not to mention, idiot, that while John Q. purchases a new vehicle with marginally better gas mileage that the clunker he turned in, he's leaving a used car with just as good gas mileage on the lot.

Like all good libtards, you have no care about cost...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:45 pm

JMak wrote:
Just like any good lemming libtard...you fool, that 7mpg gain in fuel efficiency is totally and completely negated by the energy required to destroy the clunkers being turned in and the energy to manufacture the new cars. Not to mention, idiot, that while John Q. purchases a new vehicle with marginally better gas mileage that the clunker he turned in, he's leaving a used car with just as good gas mileage on the lot.

Like all good libtards, you have no care about cost...

Are you saying that American consumers are too stupid to understand car financing?
It sure sounds that way.

Obama's trying to jumpstart Detroit. This has nothing to do with right wing fairy tales about tree-hugging environmentalism.

Nobody in your country wants to drive a used car, that's why you all buy luxury items you can't afford.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:04 am

Nobody in your country wants to drive a used car

Either a "trollism" or super stupid. I know many people who could but do not buy new cars and that does not include folks with low incomes and teenagers. Sadly trashing perfectly good used cars will likely drive up the cost of used cars and their parts. Some who know how to milk the system will buy a "green car" drive it for a couple of months and then sell it at the inflated prices and buy the big SUV or pick up that they really want.
And these morons want to run the health care of the nation ??

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:44 am

Wolfman wrote: And these morons want to run the health care of the nation ??

Yeah, no shit.
It's like the same thing.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:59 am

JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:7 is better than zero. And it comes at a time when oil and gas stockpiles are already high.
Just like any good lemming libtard...you fool, that 7mpg gain in fuel efficiency is totally and completely negated by the energy required to destroy the clunkers being turned in and the energy to manufacture the new cars. Not to mention, idiot, that while John Q. purchases a new vehicle with marginally better gas mileage that the clunker he turned in, he's leaving a used car with just as good gas mileage on the lot.

Like all good libtards, you have no care about cost...

I see you conveniently left off the part where the economy gets a kick in the ass. Axe grinder much?

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:01 am

Wolfman wrote:Nobody in your country wants to drive a used car

Either a "trollism" or super stupid. I know many people who could but do not buy new cars and that does not include folks with low incomes and teenagers. Sadly trashing perfectly good used cars will likely drive up the cost of used cars and their parts. Some who know how to milk the system will buy a "green car" drive it for a couple of months and then sell it at the inflated prices and buy the big SUV or pick up that they really want.
And these morons want to run the health care of the nation ??

Jesus fuck H Chist. Double up on your insulin already.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:06 pm

H4ever wrote: I see you conveniently left off the part where the economy gets a kick in the ass.

link?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:28 pm

H4ever wrote:
JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:7 is better than zero. And it comes at a time when oil and gas stockpiles are already high.
Just like any good lemming libtard...you fool, that 7mpg gain in fuel efficiency is totally and completely negated by the energy required to destroy the clunkers being turned in and the energy to manufacture the new cars. Not to mention, idiot, that while John Q. purchases a new vehicle with marginally better gas mileage that the clunker he turned in, he's leaving a used car with just as good gas mileage on the lot.

Like all good libtards, you have no care about cost...

I see you conveniently left off the part where the economy gets a kick in the ass. Axe grinder much?

And how sustainable is this " kick in the ass" you speak of ?

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:33 pm

aren't you just really buying future sales from an industry that is already in-effcient?

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:52 pm

Martyred wrote:Are you saying that American consumers are too stupid to understand car financing?

Nope.

It sure sounds that way.

That's because you're too stupid to read plain English.

Obama's trying to jumpstart Detroit.

FAIL!

This has nothing to do with right wing fairy tales about tree-hugging environmentalism.

Didn't say it was, however, this plan was partly sold on the idea of improving gas mileage to a) reduce dependence on foreign oil: and b) reduce the pulltive effects of burning gasoline.

FAIL on that, too.

Nobody in your country wants to drive a used car, that's why you all buy luxury items you can't afford.

Rather dumb statement.

I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:55 pm

H4ever wrote:I see you conveniently left off the part where the economy gets a kick in the ass. Axe grinder much?

Left out because it won't happen.

Temporary shit like this has very little impact. Rather than paying down debt and saving money which are long-term economic impacts, Americans are taking on even more debt. And this program is being paid for with even more government debt.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:09 pm

JMak wrote: Rather than paying down debt and saving money which are long-term economic impacts, Americans are taking on even more debt. And this program is being paid for with even more government debt.

And you expect the libtards to grasp this concept ?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:41 pm

JMak wrote:
I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.

So you don't get fucked on the value of the car like all the former " clunker" owners just did this week ??

But we got a rebate !!

And to the dealer and scrapper who trashed a perfectly good 92 Fox body 5.0 Mustang yesterday on Fox Business---go fuck yourself...I could have bought and sold that car within an hour for more than the rebate money you got you fucking dickheads.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:49 pm

Derron wrote:
JMak wrote:
I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.
So you don't get fucked on the value of the car like all the former " clunker" owners just did this week ??

But we got a rebate !!

And to the dealer and scrapper who trashed a perfectly good 92 Fox body 5.0 Mustang yesterday on Fox Business---go fuck yourself...I could have bought and sold that car within an hour for more than the rebate money you got you fucking dickheads.

Such a shame, eh? But once again, the good intentions of know-nothing legislators will harm the middle and lower classes. Lets dry up the parts market and lets destroy good vehicles so we can feel good about propping up US auto dealers.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:58 pm

Derron wrote:
JMak wrote:
I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.
So you don't get fucked on the value of the car like all the former " clunker" owners just did this week ??

But we got a rebate !!

And to the dealer and scrapper who trashed a perfectly good 92 Fox body 5.0 Mustang yesterday on Fox Business---go fuck yourself...I could have bought and sold that car within an hour for more than the rebate money you got you fucking dickheads.

The fact that the Vanilla Ice version of the Mustang sells for more than 4500 anywhere is a fucking crime. What an absolute travesty. Eternal racks to Obama for getting that shit off our roads.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:03 pm

BSmack wrote:Eternal racks to Obama

I'm surprised you got off his nuts long enough to type this post.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:04 pm

BSmack wrote:The fact that the Vanilla Ice version of the Mustang sells for more than 4500 anywhere is a fucking crime. What an absolute travesty. Eternal racks to Obama for getting that shit off our roads.

Except for the new Shelby 'stangs, I find those 90s Mustangs far better looking than the early 2000s and even today's base Mustang model.

BTW, rack the Vanilla Ice reset...

Rollin...in my 5.0, ragtop down so my hair can blow...girlies on standby waitin just to say hi...didya stop, no, I just drove by...

Funny shit.

Now I gotta find my N2Deep CD...back to tha motel...bwahahahahahaaaa...

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:09 pm

BSmack wrote:
The fact that the Vanilla Ice version of the Mustang sells for more than 4500 anywhere is a fucking crime.

I am shocked..I have owned Mustangs for over 35 years, and have never heard of the Vanilla Ice edition. But that would be the usual complete bullshit from the libtards.

What an absolute travesty. Eternal racks to Obama for getting that shit off our roads.

Yeah....we would not want vehicles that are over 20 years old and functioning very well to keep extending their value.

Can you put your " eternal racks" to some sort of melody??...So you can sing it and post it on YouTube as it praises our great and loved leader?? Like you see all those brain washed commie bastards doing ..

Wrap your lips around Obongos crank much ?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:19 pm

JMak wrote: I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.

thanks for being a great American

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:38 pm

BSmack wrote:

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:02 pm

Felix wrote:
JMak wrote: I only buy and drive used cars, dipshit.

thanks for being a great American

So only great Americans buy new cars ?

And only great Americans get fucked 25% or more the minute they drive off the lot in a "new car" ?

Great Americans use their brains and are able to determine that buying a 3 to 5 year old used vehicle FOR CASH is saving them over 40% over the cost of a " new" vehicle. Let some other dumb bastard take the depreciation hit and the subsequent drop in value.

Great Americans then use the savings to keep and maintain a debt free lifestyle, and invest in the economy and their own personal financial health, instead of responding to some gubmint "free money" biscuit that sells them a "new" piece of shit, most likely financed over 5 to 6 years, or more. Yeah...makes perfect sense to me.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:04 pm

If 4500 bucks puts lots of folks in new cars, thereby "stimulating" the economy, why the fukk not just jack it up a bit so we can all trade our old rides in on new rigs even? I mean that would really do some stimulating, wouldn't it?

last year, for the first time in my life, I actually did break down and buy a new sonata in an attempt to keep the imploding economy going.

Where the fukks my rebate?

Why should I, or should I say, our children finance some fukker's new ride?

Why can't I put it towards a new motorcycle? A new DRZ400 gets better mileage than any hybrid and takes way less energy to produce than a new prius.

What is this going to do to used markets? What will it do to new markets after this expires?

If you seriously look at all these questions, you come to the realization that it is a joke.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:59 pm

Derron wrote:
Great Americans use their brains and are able to determine that buying a 3 to 5 year old used vehicle FOR CASH is saving them over 40% over the cost of a " new" vehicle. Let some other dumb bastard take the depreciation hit and the subsequent drop in value.

Great Americans then use the savings to keep and maintain a debt free lifestyle, and invest in the economy and their own personal financial health, instead of responding to some gubmint "free money" biscuit that sells them a "new" piece of shit, most likely financed over 5 to 6 years, or more. Yeah...makes perfect sense to me.

So, you prefer to drive a car that somebody else owned for 3 to 5 years and doesn't want any more?

When does a "new" piece of shit become a quality used car?

Is it after the baby pukes a few dozen times in the back seat?
Is it after the teenage son spills a few cokes, drops a few McDLTs and wipes his jizz off a few times on the front seat?
Is it after the fender's been replaced but the alignment is never quite right after the wife's little mistake?

Do you look forward to paying out of pocket for a new transmission because the original owner didn't bother with periodic maintenance and there's no warranty on your quality used car?

Yeah...makes perfect sense to me.

Personally I'd prefer to pay cash, or at least 50% down, on a quality new car. That way any shit that ends up under the seat is at least my own shit. I know that the oil gets changed on time. I don't buy expensive cars, but I can afford a new one when I need to. My credit is good enough so that whatever part I do finance is at a decent rate. I'd rather get a new car, maintain it the way it's supposed to be, drive the shit out of it until the warranty runs out and then sell it to a loser like you.

If you look at buying a car whether new or used as an investment, you've lost before you even get started.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:22 pm

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:29 pm

^^^^^
Nice job spreading the canard that Obama wants to kill old people. Is there any end to your lies?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:47 pm

Derron wrote:
So only great Americans buy new cars ?

And only great Americans get fucked 25% or more the minute they drive off the lot in a "new car" ?

jeez dude, take the blue pill and chill the fuck out

Great Americans then use the savings to keep and maintain a debt free lifestyle, and invest in the economy and their own personal financial health, instead of responding to some gubmint "free money" biscuit that sells them a "new" piece of shit, most likely financed over 5 to 6 years, or more. Yeah...makes perfect sense to me.

so you're a big Sean Hannity fan? huh, go figure

why do you hate America?

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:57 pm

BSmack wrote:^^^^^
Nice job spreading the canard that Obama wants to kill old people. Is there any end to your lies?

Should we focus more on Obama's need to kill babies?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:58 pm

JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:^^^^^
Nice job spreading the canard that Obama wants to kill old people. Is there any end to your lies?
Should we focus more on Obama's need to kill babies?

I'm pretty sure he's involved in female circumcision and the slave trade too.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:01 pm

Mikey wrote:
JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:^^^^^
Nice job spreading the canard that Obama wants to kill old people. Is there any end to your lies?
Should we focus more on Obama's need to kill babies?
I'm pretty sure he's involved in female circumcision and the slave trade too.

Damnit Mikey, you forgot the bestality. Don't you know that Obama wants to force you to have sex with horses?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:08 pm

JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:^^^^^
Nice job spreading the canard that Obama wants to kill old people. Is there any end to your lies?
Should we focus more on Obama's need to kill babies?

That's fine.

As long as you never speak of Obama turning military age American adults into hamburger in Iraq(1)/Afghanistan(2).

(1) the war that will "pay for itself"
(2) the "good" war

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:10 pm

Edmunds has a list of those purchases eligible for the cash for clunkers nonsense:

2009 HUMMER H3T

2009 Lotus Elise

2010 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class

2009 BMW X3

2010 Cadillac SRX

2009 Audi TT

Kevin Williamson at National Review Online nails it:

Think on that for a moment: Some Americans are being taxed to help other Americans buy Twin Turbos, Lotuses, Cadillacs, and BMWs. This is a shameful, shameful spectacle.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:13 pm

JMak wrote:Edmunds has a list of those purchases eligible for the cash for clunkers nonsense:

2009 HUMMER H3T

2009 Lotus Elise

2010 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class

2009 BMW X3

2010 Cadillac SRX

2009 Audi TT

Kevin Williamson at National Review Online nails it:
Think on that for a moment: Some Americans are being taxed to help other Americans buy Twin Turbos, Lotuses, Cadillacs, and BMWs. This is a shameful, shameful spectacle.

Hey Ivan, if you have a problem with Americans buying luxury items, go back to Russia.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:13 pm

Martyred wrote:That's fine.

As long as you never speak of Obama turning military age American adults into hamburger in Iraq(1)/Afghanistan(2).

(1) the war that will "pay for itself"
(2) the "good" war

Forgive me, but I don't get stupid...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:15 pm

JMak wrote:Kevin Williamson at National Review Online nails it:
Think on that for a moment: Some Americans are being taxed to help other Americans buy Twin Turbos, Lotuses, Cadillacs, and BMWs. This is a shameful, shameful spectacle.

To qualify for the "Cash for Clunkers" rebate, you must have an eligible used vehicle that you are willing to trade in for a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

Dumbass.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:15 pm

Martyred wrote:Hey Ivan, if you have a problem with Americans buying luxury items, go back to Russia.

Uh, stupid, why do you insist on being dumb? The point was not carping about buying luxury items. The point is confiscating my income so that others can buy new cars and not onyl just new cars, but very expensive new cars at that.

Try thinking before posting.