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I'm not going to pound out my whole post on my BlackBerry, so congrats. Way to make plays when it counted. This reminded me of ND/UM games of the past except the rolls were reversed. ND let UofM hang around in the first half and it cost ND. Props UM fan.

was definitely a great game to suffer through. i had the thought near the end that both fan bases were shitting themselves in the final moments. when's the last time that happened? the 2005 game was close, but i missed it, so i can't comment on the tension. 1999? i guess you won the 2002 game by four and we had the ball in pretty decent position with enough time to make a reasonable go at it. regardless, this game since weis has been there has been about taking turns blowing each other out. a competitive game was nice.

good W for UM and DickRod....but, one of those games where it's hard to tell if both teams are pretty good or just about the same.

Props UM fan.

Yes, fantastic performance by M Club and I thought BlindRef really showed some poise out there yesterday. :D

Screw_Michigan wrote:Hell of a finish. Rack both teams and rack them both finishing 4-8.

That would be fine by me!

TheJON wrote:

Props UM fan.

Yes, fantastic performance by M Club and I thought BlindRef really showed some poise out there yesterday. :D

I did my part. I drank a fifth of Jameson and did 2 car bombs before the game. I was a fuckin' mess.

I missed the first half and early part of the second half due to my son's youth football game. I'll have a take later on what I did see, too much to do right now to take the time to post it now.

My thoughts on what I've seen so far:

- First off, props to Michigan, both for the win and, more importantly, the Forcier get. I can't recall the last time I saw a true freshman QB look so poised. Looks like you got yourselves a good one.
- Clausen's game has improved by leaps and bounds since he first set foot on campus, but there are still a few gaping question marks in his overall game. It's beyond ponderous that a QB entering his third season as a starter at this level apparently has such little awareness of the play clock.
- I've been a huge critic of the OL the last few seasons, but it looks like that unit has finally started to come together. Verducci appears to be a significant upgrade over Latina as a OL coach. Young is still something of a disappointment, but he'll probably be a first-, or at least a second-, round pick next year, based on potential alone.
- Armando Allen has finally emerged as a feature back, although a lot of that has to do with improved OL play.
- Michael Floyd is something special. ND fan had better appreciate him while he's here, because I doubt he'll be on campus more than three seasons. I don't think his injury cost us the game (more on that later), but I hope it's not long-term. If he misses an extended portion of this season, he could cost us 1 or 2 losses that way.
- Speaking of the loss, zero props to Weis on his play-calling on ND's final possession. He's been around long enough to know that when you have the ball and a narrow lead late in the game, you need to run the clock out. That means keeping the ball on the ground. Even if we hadn't converted the first down, Michigan would have been out of timeouts when they got the ball back, which would have changed the complexion of their final drive significantly, and made it easier for us to play defense. Not saying that Michigan couldn't have won under those circumstances, but . . . And play-calling is supposed to be Weis' forte as a coach.
- Our special teams still have a long way to go. Polian is aces as a recruiter, but something considerably less than that as a ST coach.
- Among our Big Ten opponents, Michigan and Purdue look to be tougher than I had anticipated, Michigan State looks to be weaker than I had anticipated.
- Overall, we're still not back to where I'd like to see us, but watching ND football this season figures to be a much more pleasurable experience than it has been the last two seasons.
- Last but not least, rack Van for watching a ND game that didn't involve USC.

interesting. this was in the comments section of mvictors regarding the personal foul on armando allen.

I sit in Section 31, Row A of the student section thanks in large part to my nuclear engineering genius seatmate and his innumerable credit hours. Allen’s PF was not called for the finger to the lips; he said “shut the fuck up, you faggots” to the student section while the referee was less than three feet away from him. I believe the ref heard his words and flagged him thusly.

Terry, truth be told, I always watch ND whenever I'm not watching USC. ND has a national tv package, and they're often an early game, or a game with an oddball starting time. When I'm watching those early games ND either has that time slot to themselves or their game is going up against some other game or games about which I care little.

Bare minimum, they're usually part of a two game "last channel" strategy I'll set up with my tv's remote, where I switch back and forth between their game and some other game.

Point being, I usually see at least part of nearly every ND game.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I can't recall the last time I saw a true freshman QB look so poised.

I'd say Matt Barkley's performance was right up there, if not exceeding Forcier's effort due to the hostile enviornment he was in.

Mucho, maybe Terry didn't see that game, so he can't recall it.

:D

Actually, I didn't see USC-Ohio State. My kid wanted to watch Disney channel. I let him since I got to see ND earlier.

And on this . . .

Van wrote:ND has a national tv package, and they're often an early game, or a game with an oddball starting time. When I'm watching those early games ND either has that time slot to themselves or their game is going up against some other game or games about which I care little.

ND has an early starting time -- if you're on the West Coast. ND never starts at 12:00 eastern. For home games, ND's starting times are either 3:30 p.m. or 2:30 p.m. eastern. They go with a 3:30 eastern start early in the year, then switch over to 2:30 eastern later in the year, although I'm not quite sure exactly when the switch is made. I believe the reason for the switch has to do with finishing the game before the sun goes down (there are no permanent lights at Notre Dame Stadium), and the fact that the sun sets earlier as you get later into the season. 2:30 p.m. eastern is a bit of an oddball time start, in that the WWL carries the first set of games beginning at noon eastern, followed by the ABC regional games at 3:30 eastern. When CBS had the Meatgrinder (not sure if they still do), they started those games at 3:30 eastern as well.

As for road games, we're at the mercy of whoever is televising the game as far as start times go.

I thought there were bad calls on both sides. But...as an official I really don't know what the hell he's talking about.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/press-and ... ting-54325

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Actually, I didn't see USC-Ohio State. My kid wanted to watch Disney channel. I let him since I got to see ND earlier.

wtf? I love my kids and all, but they are in bed by 8:30. Even if they were up no fucking Disney channel is stopping me from watching the game. Please tell me you only have one tube in the house.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Actually, I didn't see USC-Ohio State. My kid wanted to watch Disney channel. I let him since I got to see ND earlier.

What is so good on Disney Channel at 11pm?

BlindRef wrote:I thought there were bad calls on both sides. But...as an official I really don't know what the hell he's talking about.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/press-and ... ting-54325

I can't get sound on my computer, what is he saying?

Ummm, Terry? I am on the west coast. We were talking about whether or not I watch ND games, remember?

Here in California ND's games are often on at oddball times. They often aren't at 9:00am, 12:30pm or 4:00pm, like so many of the games from back east. They often start here at weird times, like 11:00am. Somehow, some way, they always seem to begin an hour sooner or later than the rest of whatever else is going on during their time slot.

Oh, and skipping Ohio St-USC so you can watch Disney with the kids is just sickening. What the hell was your wife doing? Let her watch Disney with the kids when it's big game time for BTPCF. It's a short season, and there aren't that many of those games. The kids can give up a few Disney Saturdays With Dad out of the entire year, especially when it's a late night game. Like Mucho said, that game was on until 11:30 pm, your time, so wtf? You need to watch Disney with the kids until nearly midnight??

Tell your wife that during Saturdays in fall she is to take a break from berating strip joint patrons; her job will switch over then, to tending to her kids, because YOU will be busy.

Also, Terry, just so's ya' know, those Disney things are all out on DVD. You can watch them with your kids anytime you want...YOU BIG QUEER!

You need to watch Disney with the kids until nearly midnight??

Uhhh, yeah. What the hell is that?

If I was "forced" to watch Aladdin on a Saturday night at 11 PM knowing there was a once-in-a-decade type cfb matchup on tv, I'd be twitching like a motherfucker.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

You need to watch Disney with the kids until nearly midnight??

Uhhh, yeah. What the hell is that?

If I was "forced" to watch Aladdin on a Saturday night at 11 PM knowing there was a once-in-a-decade type cfb matchup on tv, I'd be twitching like a motherfucker.

Yeah, me too! So I put in season 2 of Mad Men instead.

Terry needs to buy a DVD player for his kids, then he needs to buy a new wife.

-M.A.

IndyFrisco wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Actually, I didn't see USC-Ohio State. My kid wanted to watch Disney channel. I let him since I got to see ND earlier.

wtf? I love my kids and all, but they are in bed by 8:30.

Try putting an 11-year-old to bed at 8:30 on a Saturday night. Not. Gonna. Happen. My parents were strict as hell with me, but even I got to stay up past 8:30 on a Saturday night by the time I was 11.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Yes, IF. Terry needs to start being more of a father and less of a friend. I used to want to watch Simpsons instead of 6pm news. Pops used to tell me, in the words of MV: "Tough motherfucking shit."

My kid has really bad ADHD and zero impulse control. A fight over the TV wasn't worth it if my team wasn't playing. Now, if my team was playing, it would've been different. Hell, he probably would've acquiesced under those circumstances. He doesn't get college football yet, he still prefers the NFL, so he wouldn't understand why I wanted to watch USC-Ohio State.

I was watching the beginning of the Georgia-South Carolina game, waiting for USC-Ohio State, when he came home from playing with his friends and switched on The Suite Life. I was already in a pretty foul mood from ND losing, so I didn't have it in me to fight over it. Not worth it to complain, under the circumstances.

Btw, my wife was at the mall, her home away from home, while all this was going on.

Terry, that was just a horrible explanation. You basically said that you let both your kid and your wife run roughshod over you.

You don't 'argue' with your eleven year old kid. You inform him of how things will go, and he acquiesces. End of story.

Also, if I'm reading you correctly there, you said you were literally watching a game when your kid came home and just switched the channel on you, to watch what he wanted to watch.

Dude, that is fucking insane. If I would've done that to my dad, well...no, there is no 'if' there. The thought would've never even crossed my mind. Eleven year olds don't come in and take over like that; maybe to their siblings, or maybe even to their mom, but not to their dad.

"Umm, Junior, can't you see I was watching something? What the hell were you thinking? Turn it back."

How does that ever become an argument, and what other possible response is there to an eleven year old kid doing that to his own dad?

Dude, buy a 2nd television if you're afraid of a verbal beatdown from your 11 year old son.

My dad never had to worry about crap like this with me. I didn't watch gay shit on the Disney channel. I was almost always down for watching a ballgame any time it was on!

Van wrote:Also, if I'm reading you correctly there, you said you were literally watching a game when your kid came home and just switched the channel on you, to watch what he wanted to watch.

Not quite. I was actually on the computer, had the TV tuned to the game and was periodically glancing over at it. The way things are set up, if you're at the computer, the TV is off to your left about 20-30 feet away, but a straight sight line directly to the TV if you turn your head (or your body, since the computer chair swivels) to the left. To say that I was watching the game intently would be grossly incorrect. Not surprising under those circumstances that he thought I wasn't paying attention to the game.

Terry wrote:My kid has really bad ADHD and zero impulse control. A fight over the TV wasn't worth it if my team wasn't playing.

Terry wrote:I was watching the beginning of the Georgia-South Carolina game, waiting for USC-Ohio State, when he came home from playing with his friends and switched on The Suite Life.

Terry wrote:I didn't have it in me to fight over it.

Then, after getting called out on this litany of horror...

Terry wrote:

Terry,

Do you have only 1 tv? I'm not going to bust your balls too much as my 20 month old girl fucking OWNS the tv (and me) most of the time, but if there's something I want to watch, I watch it. I do have quite a few tvs so that helps, but if I only had one and she yells "Barney!" at me during a classic matchup, I am telling her to be quiet and go play with her toys.

But that's just me...

Dude, buy a 2nd television if you're afraid of a verbal beatdown from your 11 year old son.

Rack that.

Oh, and nice to know malls there stay open until nearly midnight.

Indy, great catch, but like I already told you, when Terry's wife says, "I'm going to the mall," it's merely their code phrase for, 'I'm going to the strip joint to berate some more sinners'.

:detective smilie dude:

Papa Willie wrote:Just remember who made who. Maybe that's selfish, but if you let your kids get everything they want, they'll have no respect for you.

Rack. I see this every time I am around my neice and nephew. Love them to death, but they are little terrorists. True story...when my neice was about 2 years old (4 now), she was sticking her fingers in the electrical sockets. I kinda saw it out of the corner of my eye and said "ALLIE! NO!" She starts screaming. Her mom runs in the room and yells to me "What did you do?" I say I told her not to pu her damn digits in the socket. She says "You said no to her?" I was like hell yes. She said "We don't say no to Allie. She doesn't like it."

Anyhow, long story short, she has grown up in a house like that. It's not her fault she has zero dicipline. Her parents are trying to dicipline her now and wonder why she is so bad. You take care of that shit at an early age or live with your bad parenting later. Their boy is just as bad but add hitting/pushing/shoving/biting into it now (he's 2). I really hate my kids being around them.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Just remember who made who. Maybe that's selfish, but if you let your kids get everything they want, they'll have no respect for you.

Says the dude with five TVs in his crib?

5 TV's is nothing ridiculous. Pretty normal anymore.

I got 7, though only 3 are HD.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Just remember who made who. Maybe that's selfish, but if you let your kids get everything they want, they'll have no respect for you.

Says the dude with five TVs in his crib?

What jon said. I got quite a few as well, but we don't let them sit there eating cheetos and watch tv all damn day. You can have a ton of tvs and still rule the roost.

Yikes, this situation is even worse than I thought.

Somebody needs to put out an Amber alert on WussyinCrapchesters balls... wait, that assumes he ever had a pair to begin with.

Nevermind.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

TheJON wrote: I got 7, though only 3 are HD.

You're even worse. You don't even have kids, right?

What's wrong with that? 2 are in guest rooms (I know, heaven help I let a guest in my house have a TV in their room). 1 is in the garage and rarely gets used. I have a shitty one in my office. Then, of course, basement/living room/master bedroom have the HDTV's.

The 3 HDTV's I bought, along with 1 of the other non-HD's. The others I stole from my parents garage. They cost me nothing. Would you prefer I just let TV's sit in my parents garage and go to waste or actually make good use of them??