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http://qbforce.com/index.html

Wow. L-A-M-E!

http://qbforce.com/NEW2009/FAMILY/famil ... cation.htm

Nice to see the Forcier family took a vacation to Detroit. Even nicer to see none of them got shot.

http://qbforce.com/home_pics/proclamation.htm

Tate is so awesome he can prove to you that he has all kinds of scholarship offers unlike other recruits that were lying about what schools offered. Wow, good for you Tate!


I know Michigan fan, this is not at all douchebaggery. He's having a great freshman year (too bad he has no upside), and so how dare anyone question the awesomeness that is Tate Forcier!! Actually, this family makes Jimmy Claussen seem like he is in no way a douchebag.

Wow.

Forcier is 1-0 vs Clausen

this is mildly glass dick. i'm pretty sure forcier's father is from the detroit area. this is an outstanding evaluation:

TheJON wrote: He's having a great freshman year (too bad he has no upside)

i'd love to hear why he has no upside.

Did you seriously just discover the fucking internet?

Forcier has been the single most impressive newcomer I've seen this season. I don't know that his proverbial 'upside' can touch those of Barkley, Trent Richardson or Bryce Brown, but in terms of what he's bringing to the table right now, he was the most pleasant surprise I've seen so far this season.

As you people may have gathered, I'm not very easily impressed by a whole lot when it comes to overblown hype and college football. Forcier though, that kid impressed me. He seemed to have the intangibles, and nothing matters more for a QB.

For all I know he'll become an ego-driven bust and a crack head to boot, but so far at Michigan that kid has "winner" written all over him.

this is mildly glass dick. i'm pretty sure forcier's father is from the detroit area. this is an outstanding evaluation:

It was under "vacation pics", so I assumed that's what they were.

i'd love to hear why he has no upside.

It's not a knock on the kid. It's kind of like Major Applewhite, though they're different types of QB's. He's been outstanding so far, there's no doubt about it and he's going to have a nice college career. But I don't think he has the ability to really get much better. I think the Tate Forcier you're seeing right now will be similar to the Tate Forcier you'll see 3 years from now. That will be good enough for Michigan, though. But he's not an NFL quarterback. Reminds me a lot of a mix between Applewhite and Drew Tate. In style, he's more like Drew.

What we saw with Drew Tate was he had a fantastic sophomore year (his first year of PT). He was undersized and inexperienced but dude knew how to make plays with his feet and his arm, and would always make clutch throws to win ballgames. I think us Iowa fans got caught up in the Tate hype (I'm as guilty of that as anyone), but looking back on it he didn't have any upside at all because he didn't have an NFL arm. Drew's junior year he put up good numbers again, but there was no improvement. Senior year he bulked up a bit, battled some injuries and his production went down.

Applewhite and Tate were similar in that they were both conference offensive POY their sophomore years but never improved because they didn't have any upside. They had reached their full potential early in their careers. Lot's of QB's (and players of all positions) will put up big years early in their career but never improve. The reason for that is because they're mentally ahead of most other players at their age. I think you're seeing some great mental toughness from Forcier as a true freshman and we saw that with Drew Tate in his first year playing as well.

The players with true upside are your NFL prospects. Many of these guys will start off slowly and then progress as their career moves on. Carson Palmer comes to mind. Jamarcus Russell and Eli Manning as well. You saw flashes of greatness from those guys early in their careers, but nothing consistent.

I'm not saying guys that come out and have big years their freshman season won't ever improve, but with Forcier I just don't see much upside. He can put on some weight to toughen up a bit, but other than that, I don't think you'll see a lot of improvement from him throughout his career. I hear a lot of Michigan fans talking about how great he could be in a couple of years, but I don't think he'll be much different than right now. But I think he is a perfect fit in DickRod's system. When Forcier graduates, I think he'll end up a late round draft pick with a career that was good but never as great as people thought early in his career (similar to John Navarre) and will probably end up either as a 3rd stringer in the NFL or a starter in Canada. No shame in that though. I'm sure Michigan will have plenty of success while he is there, I just don't think he'll become this big superstar like Michigan fans seem to think.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

M Club wrote:i'm pretty sure forcier's father is from the detroit area.

Birmingham. Even I know that. Epic fail on your part.

true. going to run myself through a sword now.

TheJON wrote:

this is mildly glass dick. i'm pretty sure forcier's father is from the detroit area. this is an outstanding evaluation:

It was under "vacation pics", so I assumed that's what they were.

glass dick was in reference to the website. we all rolled our eyes at this last year.

Jon wrote:upside.

if you're going to define upside as growing three inches, slicing .5 seconds off your 40, and dominating the nfl, then sure, forcier probably doesn't have much upside. as far as growing as a player, he has loads of 'upside.' he makes tons of mental errors you'd expect a first-year starter to make, let alone a true freshman, and dickrod has pointed out that forcier only has a handle on about 70% of the playbook. i think becoming more efficient while having access to 50% more of the playbook than he does now will manifest itself as "upside," not to mention another year of BARWIS!!!!!!!!!!

oh ja, this gem:

When Forcier graduates, I think he'll end up a late round draft pick with a career that was good but never as great as people thought early in his career (similar to John Navarre)...

=jonsense.

What's wrong with John Navarre? Doesn't he hold many of your passing records?

at the time he did, but only because he benefited from playing 3.5 years relatively early in an era where michigan actually began throwing the ball. all those statuesque guys we had that went to nfl [grbac, collins, etc.] were on the two-year plan and probably averaged about 20 throws a game, so their raw numbers don't compare, even though, obviously, they were better players. henne now holds most of the navarre's old records.

the point about navarre is that he was the absolute suck when the whole drew henson thing forced him into early playing time. he'd be remembered much more fondly had he time to develop as a backup before starting his junior and senior year, but since we were forced to live through his first two seasons, we tend to remember him as meh.

there is nothing remotely similar between forcier and navarre at this point in their careers other than that they're both ugly doods with first crack at the horses that pass for umich women.

Drew Tate had success as a sophomore but his downfall was due to his personality and lack of leadership abilities. Tate was an arrogant piece of shit who showed up his teammates on the field and ultimately lost their respect. If Forcier keeps a good head on his shoulders, he can avoid that pitfall.

That's a bit harsh on Drew. I disagree on his leadership skills. I thought he WAS a great leader but he was surrounded by a bunch of guys that weren't winners and that frustrated him. He wanted to win, but his teamates didn't feel the same. Our 2006 struggles were not Drew's fault. Our 2004 success was, in large part, because of Drew. When the team leaders like Hinkel, Solomon, Elgin, and all the guy's on the defense graduated we were left with a bunch of losers. Thugs, punks, and quitters. 2005-2007 we sucked because of it.

Plain and simple, Drew went to war by himself.

Drew had just as good of a year his junior year, statistically, as his sophomore year. His senior year he was injured the entire season. He's a competitive guy. Look at all the bad apples on the team. It wasn't Drew's fault those guys cared more about stealing credit cards than winning football games.

With all the injuries to the RB's and O-line in 2004, to do what Drew did was simply amazing. The plays he made were unreal. What great receivers did he have that year? Hinkel missed a few games, and Solomon was good but not great. He had no RB to throw to. Chandler was a decent TE, but he was young and not as good as he was in 2005-2006.

You're pointing the finger in the wrong place. Do I think Drew did some childish things? Yes. But that's due to frustration. Try going out there and giving everything you've got only to realize your teammates couldn't give 2 shits about winning football games.

2007 was the same thing, but you can't pin the blame on Tate because he had graduated. Iowa's problems from 2005-2007 were not Drew Tate. It was a lot of guys besides him. Drew was a competitor who gave everything he had and overachieved given his talent level. But he didn't have competitors around him. That's not his fault. Did Drew give up on his teammates in 2006? Yes. And for that, I will rip on him. But it didn't really matter because his teammates had quit before the season even began.

Remember Western Michigan game in 2007? It was that day that I realized Drew had NOTHING to do with this program's struggles. He wasn't even on the team and we found out that day what type of character those guys had. Did Kenny Iwebema hustle one fucking time after his freshman year? Dude goes to the NFL Combines and all of a sudden the scouts say he's got great speed. What the fuck? He was slower than shit at Iowa. Hmm........I wonder if that had something to do with lack of effort.........

If Drew was the problem from 2005-2006 then the same piss poor effort from the team should have stopped when he was gone in 2007. It didn't. In fact, it got worse.

Why did Drew succeed so much in 2004? Because he was surrounded by a team full of winners. Hinkel, Babineaux, Elgin, Roth, Hodge, Greenway, Johnson.........those guys were competitors like Tate was. Never once did anyone on the team cry because Drew's fiery attitude. Fuck no. Those guys were the same way. But when you put a group full of losers around a guy like Tate, it's a bad mix. I said it back then..........the character of those teams showed up on the field and it was proven off the field with all the arrests. Those guys were losers on the football field and in the game of life. You can't win like that.

Mace wrote:Uh huh. :roll: Like I said, he couldn't lead a whore into bed.

That's only because the skanks on campus led him into bed. They begged him to let them suck his cock. He was Drew Fucking Tate!

Did they have to wait for you to finish before taking their turns?

No but Drew paid me good money to say all these nice things about him in this thread. :D

I like how Johnny started a thread about the Forcier family and it ended up with him sucking off some marginal qb's cock.

WolverineSteve wrote:I like how Johnny started a thread about the Forcier family and it ended up with him sucking off some marginal qb's cock.

Yeah, I wonder if he let Chandler even get to 1st base.

there's nothing i like more than a Drew Tate thread. really takes me back. all NOJ needs to do is take a shot at Jason White's dad's concrete company to make this one complete.

and i thought we valued small business ownership in this Great Land of Ours.