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Michigan State = Iowa State of the Big-10. It boggles my mind why this program just can't get beyond their inferiority complex. Dantonio is no different than the other coaches at MSU, except Saban (but he bolted as soon as he had a good year). I just don't get it. They've got the resources to have more success than they've had the last 20 years or so, but they just have the wrong mindset.

Dantonio crying about the officials.........making the right calls. Fuck that shit. Iowa got fucking JOBBED big time in that game. Fine, Mark, we'll give you back that helmet to helmet you're crying to the Big-10 offices and then you can give us back that absolutely fucking bullshit holding call on the 2 yard line that moved the ball back to the 12 and instead of potentially scoring a TD we got a FG.

Crying about officials is for FANS. Coaches sound like whiny bitches and excuse makers when they do it and good coaches refrain from doing this. The helmet to helmet call WAS the right call. Yes, the flag came way too late. But it was the right call. He fucking led with his helmet. The holding call on the interception on Iowa's final drive was the most obvious call you will ever see. So many bad calls went against Iowa that impacted the game. So if he's going to whine to the Big-10, Ferentz could just as easily do the same thing.

This is why you're Michigan State. This is why you never contend for anything. This is why you're the most underachieving program in the nation. Excuses, excuses, excuses. They don't hire mentally tough coaches. When the going gets tough........blame the refs. Why is Iowa's program so much better than MSU's? Quite simply put........because our coaches/players ACT like winners. They're not focused simply on rivals or big games and the coaches never cry to everyone about the refs jobbing them. Instead, they work their asses off to get better. Michigan State whines......then quits. Their fans also have an inferiority complex.

The Spartans are basically right where Iowa was last year. Iowa was 5-4 with those 4 losses by a combined 12 points. MSU is at 4-4 with similar results. Each had a loss in there against a team they had no business losing to. Both programs looked to have hit a wall up to that point. Iowa returned a lot of starters this year, MSU will return quite a few next year. So there's a lot of similarities. So one could argue MSU might have a similar type of season to Iowa in 2010. And that's possible.....if they can ever learn how to win. It all starts with the coach. Ferentz' personality rubs off on his players. He's calm under pressure. He doesn't cry about the officials. He doesn't let his emotions get the best of him. And if Dantonio wants to have similar success to what Ferentz is doing, he might wanna take note.

I've been waiting for MSU to start challenging Iowa for the next big-time program behind tOSU and Michigan in the Big-10 for a while now. And I keep thinking they will. But it just never happens. I know this post will piss of Mgo, but he can't dispute this. They have the resources, and they have some decent tradition but they don't act like winners. This is a mediocre program that needs an overhaul and, at this point, it does not look like Dantonio is the right coach with the right mindset to lead this program to reach their potential. Sorry, Mgo, but your program is basically a slightly better version of Iowa State.

This is why you're the most underachieving program in the nation.

Hey! Step OFF, dude!

Sin,

Van wrote:

This is why you're the most underachieving program in the nation.

Hey! Step OFF, dude!

Sin,

Cal doesn't have the potential of MSU. Tougher academic school and they have to compete with USC. Plus, they have a very lame atmosphere that no recruit would be impressed with. MSU is not a tough school to get into, there's no programs as tough as USC in the area, and they do have a good atmosphere.

my vote for most underachieving program in the nation: Texas A&M. maybe a better analogue in the Big XII than ISU.

King Crimson wrote:my vote for most underachieving program in the nation: Texas A&M. maybe a better analogue in the Big XII than ISU.

A&M has to deal with OU-Texas and a bunch of other decent programs in their own state. Plus, you have to be high on crack to play in front of those annoying fans (with all due respect to my wife's cousin).

But on the field comparisons between MSU and A&M over the last decade or so are fairly accurate.

TheJON wrote:I've been waiting for MSU to start challenging Iowa for the next big-time program behind tOSU and Michigan in the Big-10 for a while now.

wisco, friend.

Cal doesn't have the potential of MSU. Tougher academic school and they have to compete with USC.

good points, though leaves out the fact msu recruits michigan prep while kal recruits california preps. regionally, msu has to go up against osu and michigan for ohio players and penn st for penn preps. i'd rather be the second or third most attractive school for cali preps than be msu period.

Points taken, m club. And maybe I'm being a bit harsh on them and possibly there's more underachieving programs out there......but you can't tell me MSU shouldn't be having more success than they are.

I really believe that MSU has a little brother complex that they just cannot seem to shake and will continue to be average until they do. This is why they remind me of ISU. ISU will NEVER win until they start thinking about competing in the Big-12 instead of just trying to measure their cock size with Iowa's. MSU is similar in their state.

I'll stand up for MSU on this one. Iowa State is REALLY bad. At least MSU has SOME tradition to refer to. Iowa State has always been a joke.

Got some nice shaved ham and baby swiss for lunch, along with large honey crisp apple and pretzels.

King Crimson wrote:my vote for most underachieving program in the nation: Texas A&M. maybe a better analogue in the Big XII than ISU.

While I'd like to say , you're absolutely correct. The fan support, facilities, in-state talent level and money A&M has at its dispense is on par with pretty much every school in the nation yet we have become the Mississippi State of the SEC in the XII. What kills me the most is we still recruit very well, but we can't do shit on the field. I will say the reemergence of Oklahoma once Stoops came in really has hurt us. We were splitting the best Texas talent with t.u. Now, it is OU and t.u. splitting the best athletes and A&M is getting a couple and then pretty much hind tit after that.

IndyFrisco wrote: We were splitting the best Texas talent with t.u.

from 90-98, maybe. :wink: the 70's and 80's, OU was very much in the mix for the Texas blue chip.

A&M is always going to pull some top players and have good classes.....but, right now, you've got OSU, MU, and NU all recruiting Texas (well) for the D-1 player that, while not maybe in the Texas top 100, used to fill out the Aggie roster. i think that's more of a factor and feature of the Big XII dynamic vs. Big 8/SWC days. OU has always recruited Texas well; heck, that's a standard feature of the anti-OU invective since i've been alive....

MSU is more like Okie State. Some tradition, and a few "where the fuck did that player come from" guys in their history. Although, MSU has a richer histroy pre-1980's. That history can be directly traced to Bear Bryant and his friendship with Muddy Watters. When the southern schools still weren't recruiting black football players, he would tell them to go see his friend Muddy up in East Lansing.

Man, as long as Iowa continues to win JON will continue to puff his chest out I guess. I love the "inferiority complex" line from a guy who's started two Michigan State threads in the past week.

Your ultra douche-like behavior is going to make it pretty tough for me to get my Hawkeye on the rest of the season, but I view this situation as a win-win. If Iowa goes on to win the Rose or MNC, then that's good PR for the Big Ten. If they fail, then JON gets knocked down a peg or two, and we'll witness a melt for the ages.

As for the rest of that hysteric bullshit...it's just that, hysteric bullshit. The future of the program is in fine shape.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Man, as long as Iowa continues to win JON will continue to puff his chest out I guess. I love the "inferiority complex" line from a guy who's started two Michigan State threads in the past week.

it's funny how Jon will talk down individual Big 10 teams but then will inevitably have to talk up the conference to out of conference Iowa nay-sayers who bring up Arkie State and Northern Iowa as not exactly proof-positive of being a top 5 team. and him saying the Big XII sucks won't prove any of his points either. right now, Iowa is two years ago Missouri IMO. no on-field similarites.....but jon is sounding a lot like Mizzou fan two years ago....all of a sudden his team's success makes him an expert on everything.

What are you talking about King Crimson? I never talk up the Big-10. I have always been open about my thoughts on how weak it has been lately. It's better than the Big-12 this year, however.

TheJON wrote:What are you talking about King Crimson? I never talk up the Big-10. I have always been open about my thoughts on how weak it has been lately. It's better than the Big-12 this year, however.

the Big XII is awful and would be just average without injuries to Gresham, Bradford, Dez B (suspension), and Griffin. I'm talking about down the road here Jon if Iowa keeps winning....like end of next month, BCS angling and such. we'll see.

Mace wrote:Has Dantonio said or done something that could be perceived as classless since last Saturday that pissed off theJON? Not sure what Iowa State has to do with anything Big 10 but, as I said earlier, Paul Rhoads seems to have things headed in the right direction at Iowa State and has a young team that is buying into his program and getting better each week. Not sure what theJON's problem is with Michigan State but, for me, you take the win, go home, and get ready for Indiana and the final 4 weeks of the season.

You haven't heard Dantonio is crying about the refs to the Big-10? He also made a classless comment about how at least they left Iowa banged up in reference to how hard they were hitting. That's just straight up punk. Enjoy the Motor City Bowl, dickhead!

Since you say the Big 10 is so weak, which it is, then how do you arrive at this conclusion that Iowa has such an overwhelmingly strong resume? All they've played are weak Big 10 teams, plus a D1-AA team, horrible Iowa St, Arizona at home and Arkansas St at home.

Allow me to introduce the left side of Jon's mouth to the right.

King Crimson wrote:

TheJON wrote:What are you talking about King Crimson? I never talk up the Big-10. I have always been open about my thoughts on how weak it has been lately. It's better than the Big-12 this year, however.

the Big XII is awful and would be just average without injuries to Gresham, Bradford, Dez B (suspension), and Griffin. I'm talking about down the road here Jon if Iowa keeps winning....like end of next month, BCS angling and such. we'll see.

Iowa has played a tough schedule by lame CFB standards. Personally, I don't think ANY conference is that good. I think Pac-10 and SEC are SLIGHTLY better than Big-10 and Big-12. Then I think ACC is slightly below those and Big East is just downright terrible. Not a good year for CFB. But Iowa played 2 bowl teams from 2 different BCS conferences and all our tough conference games on the road. If we go unbeaten and don't make the title game I am done watching this sport. I will devote my full attention to real football- the NFL.

Van wrote:Since you say the Big 10 is so weak, which it is, then how do you arrive at this conclusion that Iowa has such an overwhelmingly strong resume? All they've played are weak Big 10 teams, plus a D1-AA team, horrible Iowa St, Arizona at home and Arkansas St at home.

Allow me to introduce the left side of Jon's mouth to the right.

Nice try but FAIL. I said the Big-10 is weak. That doesn't mean every team is weak. We don't play 2 of the 3 crappiest teams in the league and we face the 4 best non-Iowa teams on the road. Arizona, a team we hammered, is a Top 25 team right now. ISU is not horrible. They will be going to a bowl game and they play in a BCS conference. They're an average team that we destroyed. Our resume is not GREAT, it is very good. However, it's as good of a resume as any team in the country has. The problem is nobody is beating very many good teams. That includes Iowa, Florida, USC, Alabama, Texas, Boise, etc. So if you rip on Iowa's credentials, you better have a list of teams with a better resume. And you don't.

TheJON wrote: Iowa has played a tough schedule by lame CFB standards.

happened even faster than i thought. yet, the Big 10 isn't very good, you told me. ISU, Arkie State, Northern Iowa, and U of A are a tough OOC? don't disappear into the "lame CFB" thing....you're not going to establish that as your "out". So, it must be the Big Ten? since when are there "two BCS bowl teams" in that OOC. ISU?

I said by CFB standards, KC. Let's face it, nobody that's any good has really played a brutal schedule. And, like I said- Iowa m played the toughest part of their schedule up to this point and we miss out on 2 of the bottom feeders and have our 4 toughest games on the road. Not trying to say its a brutal schedule, just that by CFB standards it is relatively difficult. Of the Top 10 teams, who the heck has played tougher? Maybe USC, but that's it. That's all I'm saying.

TheJON wrote:Of the Top 10 teams, who the heck has played tougher?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm


Oregon, USC, VT

That's a low blow, Mace! Fuck yo!