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Pretty dumb take on Vito's part. Any shortcummings displayed by the guy are obviously a result of being a first year starter. Tough to pick apart a rookie qb on an undefeated team. You gotta like McCoy's chances in this potential game though. It just doesn't seem like Bama's time yet. Next year sets up nicely.

I'm not sure about that, magoo. Bama's defense will keep them in games. It's very difficult to get vertical on them in a passing attack. I think they can beat Florida and beat Texas with their ability to control the TOP with their ground game AND keep the big plays from happening by opposing offenses.

Right now....I'd say Florida and Bama in the SEC title game is a toss up.

Of course they'd be in the game. Texas isn't blowing out Bama, and I don't think they'd beat Florida.

No one would take Greg McElroy over Robert Griffith, yes he is hurt so counting him as being better than Baylor's 2nd string guy should not be part of the argument.

Jerrod Johnson's total number are much better than McElroy's and it's not very close. I'm not sure QB ratings should come into play when you are so controlled by your coach that he doesn't let you pass. The guy has 265 attempts with 159 completions for 1993 yards 14 TDs and not sure how many Ints.

Jarrod Johnson might have a lower QB rating but look at the team around him. He doesn't have half the line or receivers that McElroy has but he has thrown for 406 att 241 comp for 2875 yards and 24 TDs. I can only imagine what his numbers would be like if he had McElroy's team around him.

Laundry Jones is a redshirt fish and has no offensive line and is running a offense devastated by injuries. Besides I would put Oklahoma in the same boat as Baylor their HEISMAN trophy winning QB is injured so comparing him to the 2nd string guy is no argument at all.

McElory is 4 points ahead of Zac Lee and Lee doesn't have 1/10th the offensive weapons that McElroy has on offense available to him. Put McElroy in the Nebraska offense and they have about 2 more losses.

That leaves KU KSU CU and ISU are the only schools I would put McElroy over. Congrats to you guys.

Big 12 with McElroy included.
1. Colt McCoy Texas
2. Sam Bradford Oklahoma
3. Robert Griffith
4. Blaine Gabbert Missouri
5. Zac Robinson OSU
6. Taylor Potts T-Tech
7. Jarrod Johnson a$m
8. Zac Lee NU
9. Greg McElroy Alabama
10 Todd Reesing KU
ISU, KSU and CU

You can argue that McElroy is better than Johnson and Lee but the fact is both QBs are doing more with less than McElroy has.

Jerrod Johnson >> McElroy (right now) JJ is a top 3 QB in the XII RIGHT NOW and that includes Bradford and McCoy in the conversation.

McElroy is a fish. He will get better. I'm not going to rank him amongst the XII QBs as it is a dumbfuck comparison.

Hey Papa, 3 of the nations top 10 defenses are in the Big 12, so case is reopen.

What does team record have to do with how good your QB is when you have no confidence in him as a passer to actually use him? You have the most talented WR in the game and your still afraid to throw the ball.

Papa Willie wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:No one would take Greg McElroy over Robert Griffith, yes he is hurt so counting him as being better than Baylor's 2nd string guy should not be part of the argument.

Jerrod Johnson's total number are much better than McElroy's and it's not very close. I'm not sure QB ratings should come into play when you are so controlled by your coach that he doesn't let you pass. The guy has 265 attempts with 159 completions for 1993 yards 14 TDs and not sure how many Ints.

Jarrod Johnson might have a lower QB rating but look at the team around him. He doesn't have half the line or receivers that McElroy has but he has thrown for 406 att 241 comp for 2875 yards and 24 TDs. I can only imagine what his numbers would be like if he had McElroy's team around him.

Laundry Jones is a redshirt fish and has no offensive line and is running a offense devastated by injuries. Besides I would put Oklahoma in the same boat as Baylor their HEISMAN trophy winning QB is injured so comparing him to the 2nd string guy is no argument at all.

McElory is 4 points ahead of Zac Lee and Lee doesn't have 1/10th the offensive weapons that McElroy has on offense available to him. Put McElroy in the Nebraska offense and they have about 2 more losses.

That leaves KU KSU CU and ISU are the only schools I would put McElroy over. Congrats to you guys.

Big 12 with McElroy included.
1. Colt McCoy Texas
2. Sam Bradford Oklahoma
3. Robert Griffith
4. Blaine Gabbert Missouri
5. Zac Robinson OSU
6. Taylor Potts T-Tech
7. Jarrod Johnson a$m
8. Zac Lee NU
9. Greg McElroy Alabama
10 Todd Reesing KU
ISU, KSU and CU

You can argue that McElroy is better than Johnson and Lee but the fact is both QBs are doing more with less than McElroy has.

Not only that - he's doing it against better defenses than are in the Big 12.

SYHTFOTW. Good night.

Last year you might be able to say that.... not this year by any stretch of the imagination! Texas ( #1 in the country in total defense), Oklahoma State (#6), Oklahoma (#7), Mizzou (#11), Nebraska (#15), Kansas State (18); that's six teams in the Big 12 that are in the top 20 of total defense. This compared to two in the top 20 from the SEC; Bama (#2), and Florida (#8)... the next highest rated defense in the SEC is Georgia at #38 where there are two more Big 12 defenses ahead of them outside the top 20. If you want to go off points allowed there are three teams in the Big 12 in the top 10 of the country in that category as well; Nebraska (#3), Oklahoma (#7), and Texas (#9)... I don't think you even want to discuss rushing defenses since there are seven Big 12 schools in the top 20 of rush defense.

Mace wrote:One could also argue that it's easier to put up great defensive stats against shitty teams. That would be my argument if I were an SEC fan but, since I'm not, I'd prefer that they settle it on the field in the NC game. Then we'll see who can actually play the better defense.

Ummm Oklahoma State beat an SEC team along the way to garnering that #6 defense in the country...

Papa Willie wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Mace wrote:One could also argue that it's easier to put up great defensive stats against shitty teams. That would be my argument if I were an SEC fan but, since I'm not, I'd prefer that they settle it on the field in the NC game. Then we'll see who can actually play the better defense.

Ummm Oklahoma State beat an SEC team along the way to garnering that #6 defense in the country...

And if anybody saw that game, they'd know that UGA was absolutely beYOND pathetic in that game. If they were to have played this past weekend, UGA would have run away with it. They didn't, so it doesn't matter.

Hey man - we'll see. The Big 12 looks like it's every bit as down (if not more) than the SEC this year. We'll just have to see what happens.

Hey - what will be the better game? 'Bama & Florida or Texas & Nebraska? :D

*cough* Bullshit *cough* Oklahoma State would beat Georgia 7 out of every ten games this season as long as Zack Robinson was healthy and they had Dez Bryant again. Those absences and injuries are the only thing that would even make it a game for Georgia. Oklahoma State's defense owned them as they have most teams this season. Oklahoma only put up 27 points on them because of two red zone turnovers and a punt return; OU only really had one sustained drive. The only two teams that were successfully moving the ball on Okie State all season were Texas and Houston.

I actually think they will both be good games. One will be defensive (Texas and Nebraska) and the other will be a mid 20s to mid 30s for both teams (Bama/Florida). I think Florida is more likely to win the SEC game but that they are more likely to lose against Texas than Bama. Bama matches up against Texas better IMHO. I wouldn't rule out an upset by Nebraska in the Big 12 title game; it's always been a trap door game and as OU proved earlier in the season if you have a top notch Defense you can hang with Texas which Nebraska has. Texas had all kinds of trouble with Gerald McCoy and their facing a player of the same caliber and a carbon copy of such in Suh this weekend in Dallas.

Believe the Heupel wrote:I don't know that an inability on the part of OU to move the ball really makes a defense great this year. Better than a group of retarded third-graders, maybe.

What about the other 8 games on their schedule their defense played pretty damn well to great in?

Okie St's D played two offenses with a pulse this season, and they got completely lit up both times.

Van is pretty much dead on about Okie Lite, but the thing written between the lines is that one of those two teams with a great offense was not SEC team (Georgia).

That's the thing about the SEC, they might have good to great individual talent on the offensive side of the ball but that conference outside of Florida and Alabama (this season) doesn't have great offenses. And a damn good case can be made that neither Alabama nor Florida's offense is worth two shits. Neither are very good at tossing the pigskin which makes both very one dimensional.

Vito Corleone wrote:Van is pretty much dead on about Okie Lite, but the thing written between the lines is that one of those two teams with a great offense was not SEC team (Georgia).

That's the thing about the SEC, they might have good to great individual talent on the offensive side of the ball but that conference outside of Florida and Alabama (this season) doesn't have great offenses. And a damn good case can be made that neither Alabama nor Florida's offense is worth two shits. Neither are very good at tossing the pigskin which makes both very one dimensional.

Oklahoma State bitch slapped Georgia... but other than that van is also absolutely incorrect. Okie Lite played seven teams that were in the top 30 of total offenses this season, four of them in the top eleven (Houston, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Texas) and still is in the top ten of total defense. Hell Oklahoma State missed out on being able to play the Big 12's worst two offensive teams on their schedule and still garnered their statistics. Spin it however you like but if an SEC team had faced seven of the countries top 30 offenses and still finished as the nations #6 total defense team Sam, Papa, and every other SECBSH would be in her lining up to suck their massive cock.