bowl selections

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:23 am

Jsc810 wrote:
Fuck BSU.

Most intelligent thing you've ever said.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:30 am

OU vs Stanford should be fun.

If OU scores 17 they should win.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:39 am

TCU vs. Boise is a plain fucking cop out. That said, at least it sets up Cincy vs. Florida.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:48 am

Who the fuck did FSU blow to get a January 1st game?

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:11 am

Dinsdale wrote:Who the fuck did FSU blow to get a January 1st game?

"january 1st" means about as much as "bcs championship."

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:13 am

88 wrote:
M Club wrote:TCU vs. Boise is a plain fucking cop out.
Yep. The BCS couldn't figure out a way to screw one of them out of a BCS game without blowing up the system, so the BCS decided to screw both of them. Weak.

at the same time, it would have been even more bush to match cincy up with one of those two teams. at least the rose bowl is intriguing.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:19 am

Jsc810 wrote:TCU beat Boise in last year's bowl game.

This is an unnecessary repeat. Fuck Boise.

OK, this is more on par with the JSC8IQ level of intelligence I'm used to.

Alabama beat Texas for the MNC in the 1965 Orange Bowl, so I assume the BCS Bowl is unnecessary too?

And Oregon and Oregon State played last year. Unnecessary?

My memory is hazy -- didn't Texas and Oklahoma play last year, as well? What a waste of time that was, eh?

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:22 am

in his defense, the intrigue isn't quite there considering we had nearly the same plot line with these two last year. and in terms of building national relevance, for tcu and boise this game is more an issue of two programs playing whereas bama and texas are throwing out particular editions of their brands, if that makes any sense.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:59 am

Navy?

We're playing Navy in the Texas Bowl, while Iowa State with their stellar 6-6 record gets the Insight Bowl.

Fucking terrific.

I mean, losing to Baylor at home was bad, but it wasn't that bad, was it?

I guess it was.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:14 am

Mace wrote:I was disappointed with the Fiesta matchup because neither team has an opportunity to beat a BCS team and gain respect in the eyes of folks like me.
Iowa is headed to the Orange to face Georgia Tech. Don't know much about them except they are an option team. Waiting to hear from HawkeyeNation for bowl packages and prices.

Screw Jon Miller, Mace..........

Go book your own travel and buy your tickets off Ticketmaster. You don't want U of I bowl tickets. The seats are SHITTY! Last time at the OB, we got stuck in the corner of the endzone in the upper level. And we're long time season ticket holders. Same thing with the CapitalOne Bowl. We were right behind the end zones with university tickets. I got tickets for 2 Outback Bowls off Ticketmaster (well, actually 1 I bought off a guy selling on Hawkeyereport, but they were originally bought from Ticketmaster) and had 50 yardline seats the first year and 35 yardline the next one. I will NEVER buy tickets through the university (which is where Miller's crew will get theirs).

Not only that but those bowl packages rip you off and you only get a couple days down there and have to go by their schedule. I'm flying on the 3rd and coming back on the 9th. We got good seats off Ticketmaster too. Lower level, looks to be about the 20 yardline on the Iowa side (visitor).

I am hoping that they have built some food options within walking distance of the parking lot. I remember it being a giant open field with nothing surrounding it. Hopefully that has changed.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:17 am

M Club wrote:TCU vs. Boise is a plain fucking cop out. That said, at least it sets up Cincy vs. Florida.

Exactly. Somebody paid the Fiesta Bowl some money to take these 2 teams so that we don't have to hear "they deserve to play Alabama" if they were to go on and beat a BCS conference team in the BCS. This way nobody will cry about their not being a playoff because everyone will just say "they beat a mid-major, it doesn't count". So fucking lame, but it's quite obvious what has happened here. CFB is a joke.

Whoever wins the championship game is NOT the national champion. Sorry, but that's a fact.

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:17 am

The vibe I get is that TCU and Boise State are invited to the dinner but are forced to sit together at the kids' table.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:10 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Who the fuck did FSU blow to get a January 1st game?

Look at a map of Florida. Specifically, look at where the Gator Bowl is played, then look at where FSU is located.

I'm not saying it's right, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which ACC team the Gator Bowl would prefer to have play there.

Of course, I used to live in that neck of the woods, so it's patently obvious to me.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:58 pm

TheJON wrote:Exactly. Somebody paid the Fiesta Bowl some money to take these 2 teams so that we don't have to hear "they deserve to play Alabama" if they were to go on and beat a BCS conference team in the BCS.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but I'm starting to buy into this a little bit. The Fiesta had Iowa on the table but took TCU instead, knowing full well they'd end up getting stuck with Boise as well.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:07 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Who the fuck did FSU blow to get a January 1st game?
Look at a map of Florida. Specifically, look at where the Gator Bowl is played, then look at where FSU is located.

I'm not saying it's right, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which ACC team the Gator Bowl would prefer to have play there.

Of course, I used to live in that neck of the woods, so it's patently obvious to me.

Only reason this happened is because it's Bowden's last game as a coach and it matches him against the program that he coached before arriving at FSU. The ACC did a bit a juggling to make sure that Clemson did not get the Chik-Fil-A Bowl, which would have forced the Gator to take VT.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:00 pm

Moby Dick wrote:OU vs Stanford should be fun.

If OU scores 17 they should win.

You're kidding. Right?

Edit: OK, never mind. Without Luck Stanford may be fucked. Can Gerhart put up 300 against OU?

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:32 pm

^^^^^^ Not in that form.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:54 pm

Good read.

Really sucks for Cincinnati being 1 second away from playing for the Championship.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:02 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:^^^^^^ Not in that form.

Substitute BYU, Miami and West Virginia, respectively, for Central Michigan, East Carolina and Troy, respectively, and it would.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:13 pm

Some random thoughts, based on the selections . . .

It seems to me that part of the reasoning behind opening up the BCS to the mid-majors was to see, at least in a limited context, whether they can play with the big boys in the national spotlight. Toward that end, TCU-Boise State sort of defeats the purpose. Realistically, the Fiesta should have taken Iowa, although that probably would have meant Cincinnati going to the Orange Bowl instead.

Speaking of which, Cincinnati-Florida is one of the more intriguing matchups out there. Yes, Florida is a pretender, and was exposed as such by Bama. But they're still a pretty good pretender. I look for Cincinnati to win this game, playing with something of a chip on their shoulder while Florida may be somewhat disappointed to wind up here.

Most attractive non-BCS matchups to me look like Penn State-LSU in the Capital One, followed by Okie State-Ole Miss in the Cotton. No huge surprises there.

I guess the so-called 6/7 win rule is no longer in effect. Had it been, Florida State would have been relegated to the Emerald Bowl, and the Insight Bowl would have been required to take Mizzou ahead of Iowa State. That having been said, War Wagon's comments to the contrary notwithstanding, for my money Navy is a more attractive bowl game opponent than is Minnesota, at least this year.

I was somewhat surprised to see Marshall get the Pizza Bowl bid, while UCLA was relegated to the alternate selection in the Eagle Bank Bowl to be determined based on the Army-Navy game. Two reasons: (1) although both teams finished 6-6, UCLA is a BCS team whereas Marshall is not; and (2) by rule, C-USA got Army's bid in the Eagle Bank Bowl if Army was not bowl-eligible. Perhaps the Pizza Bowl wanted Marshall (considerably closer to Detroit than UCLA is), or UCLA wanted Washington as a bowl site rather than Detroit, and was willing to risk being home for the holidays to get that possibility.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:41 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I guess the so-called 6/7 win rule is no longer in effect. Had it been, Florida State would have been relegated to the Emerald Bowl, and the Insight Bowl would have been required to take Mizzou ahead of Iowa State. That having been said, War Wagon's comments to the contrary notwithstanding, for my money Navy is a more attractive bowl game opponent than is Minnesota, at least this year.

I was somewhat surprised to see Marshall get the Pizza Bowl bid, while UCLA was relegated to the alternate selection in the Eagle Bank Bowl to be determined based on the Army-Navy game. Two reasons: (1) although both teams finished 6-6, UCLA is a BCS team whereas Marshall is not; and (2) by rule, C-USA got Army's bid in the Eagle Bank Bowl if Army was not bowl-eligible. Perhaps the Pizza Bowl wanted Marshall (considerably closer to Detroit than UCLA is), or UCLA wanted Washington as a bowl site rather than Detroit, and was willing to risk being home for the holidays to get that possibility.

There were some weird loopholes with the Gator Bowl and they basically forced the ACC to put VT in Atlanta for the Chik-Fil-A Bowl.

The Gator Bowl had already taken the ACC runner up once (Georgia Tech in the 2006 season) and that was all that they were contractually obligated to do, thus freeing up Clemson. I think I saw where the Chik-Fil-A Bowl had the same provision and had already used it (not sure which team and when), so they went to the next best league record, which was VT at 6-2 in the ACC. With Clemson out of the picture, the next best ACC team(s) had a 5-3 league record. The Gator Bowl then exercised the "within one league win" rule for FSU (4-4 in ACC) and the rest is history.

The PIzza Bowl tried to swap with the International Bowl to get USF and Central Michigan, but the International Bowl decline.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:55 pm

Papa Willie wrote:I'd love to see a system like this, because you'd probably have one of the lesser teams get on a roll and surprise everybody and fuck shit up.... Wish we could see it!

A couple of those teams are a threat to go on an unstoppable roll, for sure -- probably most notably Oregon. But when VT gets their defense rolling, they're nasty too. TCU can score on anyone...

There would definitely be a huge upset in there somewhere, and the scabdickers (sup Texas and Florida) would actually have to play somebody for more than one week at a time.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:24 pm

Sudden Sam wrote: I agree. No doubt about it.

Based on Texas' wins over two mediocre teams?

Sorry, Cincy got hosed.

They played somebody. Undefeated from a BCS conference, MUCH better OOC...

Cincy's crime was merely not having the glamour name. I know I'm a broken record on this, but it's time to toss out ALL of the pollsters, due to their irresponsibility when it comes to punishing the cupcakers.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:39 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Cincy's best winS

FTFY

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:24 pm

mvscal wrote:No debate. No argument.

Then we'll bid you a fond farewell.

WAIT... there is an argument, dumbass.

JSC already nailed it.

I mean, are you basing your "no debate" schtick on the win over Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, or UCF (almost halfway decent team).

Cincy played sombody. On the road, even. I know the Longmouths aren't too terribly familiar with "playing somebody," but it actually counts, or it should.

Sorry, but if your AD cowers like a fucking pussy and hides in the corner every time the phone rings, your bitch-ass program should be treated like the cowering fucking sissies they are.

Step 1 to winning a championship SHOULD begin in the AD's office... but until we get some responsible, objective people to cast ballots, the glamour schools can continue to cupcake along without fear of retribution.

And you're the one who complains about money ruining CFB? That's fucking priceless.

Irony, thy name be mvscal.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:49 am

Dinsdale wrote: Sorry, but if your AD cowers like a fucking pussy and hides in the corner every time the phone rings, your bitch-ass program should be treated like the cowering fucking sissies they are.

this is diametrically opposed to "i don't give a fuck since it wasn't my team who was fucked in the ass." otherwise, cuts to the very essence of it. should replace the human polls as 2/3 of the bcs formula, or whatever weight they carry.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:20 am

TCU and Boise got royally screwed - Q Style's comment was spot on - and yes, it was intentional.

Cincy got screwed by laundry.

TCU is better than Texas, and would beat them. Bama vs TCU should be the MNC game.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:31 am

Van wrote:TCU and Boise got royally screwed - Q Style's comment was spot on - and yes, it was intentional.

funny thing was the yahoo sports front page yesterday had a picture of Andy Dalton and a caption that said TCU-Boise was "a great matchup". if you are the BCS, and you suck....always good if the media has your back to help you pump it up.

to paraphrase Kant: "I need not think, if i can pay. Others will soon enough take over the odious work for me".

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:39 am

Van wrote:TCU and Boise got royally screwed.

The Fiesta Bowl has a nice payday, they shouldn't be crying too much on the way to the bank.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:50 am

There was never a doubt they were both going to get BCS Bowl paydays. They got screwed by being pitted against each other, a match up which prevents both teams from being able to advance their case. TCU in particular got stuck with a lose-lose situation. They can't help themselves much at all with a win, and they hurt themselves with a loss.

The big winner was Iowa. First, they got selected, then they lucked out and got to avoid playing an unbeaten mid-major or Florida. Georgia Tech also lucked out, by getting Iowa rather than Cincy or one of the mid-majors.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:03 am

A USC team that would've made it to the Rose Bowl, which is what I said all along? Yeah, Iowa is damn lucky they don't have to face such a team.

This USC team? They weren't good enough to make it the Rose Bowl, and neither was Iowa, so it's a moot point.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:20 am

Mace wrote:Van obviously failed to report for drug testing today.

I seriously hope dude is on drugs. If he's not that's just fucked up. You can't possibly be that dumb so I'm just going to go ahead and assume he's a meth addict. What other excuse could there possibly be?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:25 am

Mace, which part of "USC in a Rose Bowl would kill Iowa" is so hard for you to understand? That's what I said: USC in a Rose Bowl.

I didn't say any USC team, did I? No, I didn't. I said "USC in Rose Bowl," which is a USC team that mops the floor with lowly Iowa, every time.

Btw, even this shitty USC did the one thing your smoke and mirrors bunch of overrated scabdicks couldn't do: They went into The Shoe, with a true freshman QB playing in only his second game out of high school, and they beat Ohio St, in what was Ohio St's Super Bowl.

Had your wildly overrated bunch of smoke and mirrors scabdicks done the same thing, hey, guess what, you'd actually get to go lose another goddamn Rose Bowl.

You're dismissed, Ol' Lady Coachspeak.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:29 am

Btw, even this shitty USC did the one thing your smoke and mirrors bunch of overrated scabdicks couldn't do: They went into The Shoe, with a true freshman QB playing in only his second game out of high school, and they beat Ohio St, in what was Ohio St's Super Bowl.

If Iowa is overrated, what does that say about the Pac-10?

We dominated Arizona, the 2nd best team in the Pac-10 without a lot of our key starters. Shit, we intentionally sat a couple of players because we wanted them to be ready to go against Penn State.

So you're saying the Pac-10 is the worst conference in the history of football? And USC only finished 6th. Props.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:31 am

The Pac 10's sixth place finisher beat the outright Big 10 champion in their own house...and not a single person was surprised.

EOS.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:34 am

That team isn't going to a Rose Bowl, are they? By that same token, the Texas team we all saw scabdick on Saturday has as much business playing for a national title as you do being the head of the DNC.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:34 am

Van wrote:The Pac 10's sixth place finisher beat the outright Big 10 champion in their own house...and not a single person was surprised.

EOS.

Iowa beat your 2nd place team.

Sup with that?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:37 am

TheJON wrote:
Van wrote:The Pac 10's sixth place finisher beat the outright Big 10 champion in their own house...and not a single person was surprised.

EOS.
Iowa beat your 2nd place team.

Sup with that?

At home.

The Big 10's outright champion, the team which beat Iowa, your champion lost at home to the Pac 10's sixth place team, and practically everyone expected it.

'Sup with that?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:42 am

Van wrote:
TheJON wrote:
Van wrote:The Pac 10's sixth place finisher beat the outright Big 10 champion in their own house...and not a single person was surprised.

EOS.
Iowa beat your 2nd place team.

Sup with that?
At home.

The Big 10's outright champion, the team which beat Iowa, your champion lost at home to the Pac 10's sixth place team, and practically everyone expected it.

'Sup with that?

Oh, okay I see what you're saying. The game was a home game so completely dominating them doesn't count. Fair enough.

Now you can tell Petey to give back his Rose Bowl victories. They no longer count being as they were essentially home games.

Sup with that?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:50 am

mvscal, don't intentionally be a dumbass. The game being played at all was a farce, yes, but Texas didn't treat it like it didn't matter, since they were forced to hang their national title hopes on winning it. That game was life or death for Texas, and they were literally one second from losing it to a four loss team who lost at home to Iowa freaking St.

You're better than that, so take that weak piss outta here.