FU(K ND's RES LIFE

[Laxplayer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/n ... id=4829593

So Floyd was caught drinking and got involved in a physical altercation......OFF CAMPUS AND NOT IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. Why the FUCK does the res life group at ND need to get involved? Killian, Terry? WTF? Let the head coach and Ad suspend the kid, punish the kid, penalize the kid....sit him for the first week of spring practice, suspend him from the spring game, do something. If those Res Life fuck ups get a hold of this they may do what they did to Fauria. What a fucking joke.

I'm not condoning what he did. It's wrong and against the law. Let the authorities in the state it happened deal with it. Let the football coach deal with it but don't let those fuckers in Res Life get involved.

[Killian]

I agree with the overall post, but ND's student handbook (du Lac) governs ND students at all times, on campus or off. My high school was very similar.

This, along with paritials , is the main reason ND struggles to recruit elite players, not academics.

Floyd should be fine. I've heard both that he wasn't drinking and that he only had a couple of shots. Either way, first offense.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I agree with the overall post, but ND's student handbook (du Lac) governs ND students at all times, on campus or off. My high school was very similar.

If so, I believe that's a change from my day. In my day, the official party line was that ND acted in loco parentis, or in the place of the parents, when the student was at school. By extension, that would mean that when the student was on a school break, Du Lac shouldn't apply, particularly if the student was at home (and therefore, presumably, under his/her parents' control).

This, along with paritials , is the main reason ND struggles to recruit elite players, not academics.

Parietals definitely hurt, no question about it. That having been said, there were two basketball players who lived in my dorm when I was a student, who happened to be roommates. One of them had a habit of sending out for booty calls at 3:00 a.m., frequently sending his 6'10" roommate in search of a place to sleep for the night. And they happened to live two doors down from the rector. Granted, the rector was in his mid-60's, a chain smoker, and carried at least 350 lbs. on a frame that was about 5'9" or so. Even so, I find it very hard to believe this all somehow escaped him.

Floyd should be fine. I've heard both that he wasn't drinking and that he only had a couple of shots. Either way, first offense.

He shouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist for this. But res life has overreacted in the past (e.g., Kyle McAlarney, Chad DeBolt), so there's certainly no guarantee of that.

[King Crimson]

being catholic law-givers and being socialists are historically quite different.

the conflation of which seems politically useful to some (those who use the phrase nanny-state), but is utter nonsense.

[Diogenes]

being catholic law-givers and being socialists are historically quite different.

So the 'kid' didn't know what the culture was or rules were when enrolling in a Catholic University?

Fuck him.

[Terry in Crapchester]

How is a university acting in loco parentis for someone who's reached the age of majority in the first place?

I just told you what the rule was. I didn't say it made any sense. :wink:

Personally, I think it was all a ruse to make it a rules violation for an unmarried student to have sex, but that's just mho. What the hell do I know, anyway? (And yeah, I know some yay-hoo will take that one out of context and post it as their sig. Have at it.)

[Diogenes]

Yeah, you misunderstood his post.

Not really.

If those Res Life fuck ups get a hold of this they may do what they did to Fauria. What a fucking joke.



Let the football coach deal with it but don't let those fuckers in Res Life get involved.

[Diogenes]

Try again. This time read what KC posted. If you need help let us know.

Not necessary. My post must have just gone over your head.

Hint: it's still nominally a Catholic university. Deal with it.

[King Crimson]

being catholic law-givers and being socialists are historically quite different.

So the 'kid' didn't know what the culture was or rules were when enrolling in a Catholic University?

Fuck him.

not really sure why you quote this piece of what i say coupled with the subsequent answers to Froz. If you want to say, right, that the Catholic university as a private institution can make the rules, get sigs, and enforce them....then OK. but, why quote this part of what i say as a question IF you are not responding to my suggestion that this has nothing to do with the nanny-state? a stance we all know you like, the nanny-statism.

my point is this:

it's logically impossible for an alleged, sweeping cultural change (nanny-statism/creeping or outright socialism (!)/"pussification") to be represented and proven by an incident that highlights the *uniqueness* of ND's Res Life contract--which is what the OP states. the one is set forth as a "general" rule, while the OP highlights it's status as a particular that is contrary to the status quo or existing state of affairs at (in ND fan's logic) every other school. in truth, they fight against one another.

and: catholicism and socialism have very little in common. at least in the common (possibly misunderstood) vernaculars.

to paint with the big brush and conflate everything into the New Red Menace (tm) and pussification is simply lazy, irresponsible thinking....that in this case, ignores the "facts" that are presented.

[Diogenes]

being catholic law-givers and being socialists are historically quite different.

So the 'kid' didn't know what the culture was or rules were when enrolling in a Catholic University?

Fuck him.

not really sure why you quote this piece of what i say coupled with the subsequent answers to Froz.

I was actually agreeing with you. My disagreement is with the premise in the OP that ND needs to adjust their culture and principles in order to either fit in with our dominant culture or aid in recruiting. Maybe our military academies need to lighten up as well in order to do better in the BCS and March Madness.

And the irony of seeing sanctimonious nanny-state socialists bitching about a Catholic university representing 'sanctimonious nanny-state socialism' is rather comical.

[King Crimson]

I was actually agreeing with you. My disagreement is with the premise in the OP that ND needs to adjust their culture and principles in order to either fit in with our dominant culture or aid in recruiting. Maybe our military academies need to lighten up as well in order to do better in the BCS and March Madness.

And the irony of seeing sanctimonious nanny-state socialists bitching about a Catholic university representing 'sanctimonious nanny-state socialism' is rather comical.

i understood your post to say that the kid signed some "conduct" letter and then broke it...why bitch? correct?

[Diogenes]

I was actually agreeing with you. My disagreement is with the premise in the OP that ND needs to adjust their culture and principles in order to either fit in with our dominant culture or aid in recruiting. Maybe our military academies need to lighten up as well in order to do better in the BCS and March Madness.

And the irony of seeing sanctimonious nanny-state socialists bitching about a Catholic university representing 'sanctimonious nanny-state socialism' is rather comical.

i understood your post to say that the kid signed some "conduct" letter and then broke it...why bitch? correct?

I don't know what he signed. But he either knew or should have known he was going to a nominal Catholic university with particular rules of conduct.

All the whining about Res Life is hypocritical and moronic.

[Killian]

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and bump this up and say fuck ND Res Life.