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The sons of the soil are out for blood down in Tennessee. There have been rumors that Kiffin was in an alcohol related accident with a couple of co-ed's in October, that his wife has had at least two affairs while in Knoxville, and that they attended swingers clubs. Well, we can put the accident part to bed. I wonder how long until some reporter finds one of the co-ed's to go on record:


KNOXVILLE, Tenn (WVLT) -- Ever since Coach Lane Kiffin resigned his job as University of Tennessee head football coach last week to take the same job at the University of Southern California, rumors have swirled about Coach Kiffin's conduct here in Knoxville.

Included in those rumors, questions about a car crash involving Coach Kiffin.

Well, that's not a rumor anymore.

Andy White of Lexus of Knoxville confirmed to Volunteer TV News' Mark Packer Tuesday afternoon that Coach Kiffin was indeed involved in a one-car accident in a car owned by Lexus.

White did not specify the date of the incident, where it happened or who was driving the vehicle, which was leased to Kiffin through the coach's vehicle program through which vehicles are leased to coaches of UT men's and women's athletic programs.

White's statement says, "The proper authorities were contacted and the vehicle was towed to our location. Coach Kiffin’s insurance was contacted and promptly paid the claim."

White continues, "We have no knowledge of any of the alleged facts surrounding the accident being reported on the internet."

Lexus has been a proud sponsor of the Tennessee Fund and the coach's vehicle program for the past 15 years according to the release.

Knox County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Martha Dooley say there are no reports of any accident reports filed by Lane Kiffin in 2009.

Knoxville Police Department spokesperson Darrell DeBusk says there are no reports of any accident reports filed by Kiffin in September or October. He's checking all of 2009.

White has not returned an email seeking further information.

More details as they develop on Volunteer TV News and VolunteerTV.com.

Heck - those things are what qualified him for the gig at USC. It will be expected that he can produce alcohol-related problems and pimp out his wife's bleached and plucked cooter.

Except it was the other way around. Kiffin made Al Davis look like scum. Well, actually, Al did that all on his own, per usual. All Kiffin did was get stiffed by Al, the same way Al stiffed Mike Shanahan.

"The Kiffin hire is going to be a disaster".

well, maybe not for USC coeds looking for a sleazy, media and sporting spectacle-driven, quasi-daddy issue fuck...and the local swinger population allegedly.

PSUFAN wrote:wife's bleached and plucked cooter.

I bet she bleaches her balloon knot, too.

Killian wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:wife's bleached and plucked cooter.

I bet she bleaches her balloon knot, too.

I mean - they had the jar right there, and all...

Buttsy wrote:I don't know about that, Van. To me and some others I've talked to - everybody KNOWS Al is a fucked up, dude. However, Al made it look like Kiffin was a fuckhead - or at least gave it his best shot. Seeing how Kiffin has handled everything since then only supports Al's theory.

This is right.

At the time Al gave his scintilating powerpoint presentation of "Lance" Kiffin's misdeeds, it was easy to dismiss it as the rantings of a senile and decrepit fossil who needs a diaper change.

But as a little time has passed and Lance has shown more of himself, Al's tales look to be more beleebable.

It sez here that Kiffin will not last two years as head coach at 'SC.

Should be more than a handful of guffaws along the way, so RACK those in advance.

I'd take Kiffin over Norv Turner!

Lane was the coach of the Raiders, for not even two seasons. Winning a postseason game wasn't exactly going to be in the cards. Norv didn't win any postseason games with the Raiders either.

How many did you expect him to win? He took over a truly bad team, and he was only there one season. He definitely improved that team, in the short time he was there.

Let's see how long he's at USC. If he's there for, say, five years - at least three - then we'll have a decent handle on how good of a coach he is. He's taking over a talented but flawed team. He'll have ample opportunity to win. If USC falls apart and becomes the Paul Hackett Trojans, yeah, he's a knucklehead.

It's good work if you can get it.

Volquest.com



Yeah, that was undoubtedly a fair, balanced and circumspect report, and it wasn't the least bit motivated by that author's bitterness over his team being jilted.

It's funny how angry Vols Nation is at his departure. It's almost as if, oh, I dunno, it's like they wanted him to return as their head coach. They actually saw their team improve, and they liked the direction in which he had them going. They sure as hell weren't clamoring for him to leave.

Dude, it was one fucking year and they were more happy with his recruiting than his actual game day coaching. They're probably more than a little pissed because oh, I dunno, him and Ogeron acted like slimey douce bags on their way out.

Killian, I'm sure they're pissed at the way in which his departure was handled. They sure didn't mind having him as their coach, though, and to even begin to say otherwise would be the height of disingenuousness. Yes, he is a good recruiter, and that skill goes a helluva long way towards building a program. His ability to recruit was going to be the cornerstone for that program, and they knew it. His reputation as a recruiter likely went a long way in explaining USC's hiring of him. Same thing with Orgeron. In college football, it's all centered around recruiting. With the rare exceptions of a Charlie Weis or a Ron Zook, i.e., good recruiters who simply appear to be unable to handle the load of being a head coach, recruiting is the name of the game. It's what separates Saban, Meyer and Carroll from their predecessors, and from the other coaches in their respective leagues.

If Kiffin and Orgeron can again recruit as well for USC as they recuited for them last time, USC will be fine.

Also, in Kiffin's only year at Tennessee, he used mostly Phil's recruits to forge a better season. He had Tennessee playing Bama and Florida tough. Tennessee was improving on the field, not just in the recruiting wars.

If you don't mind, I'll go ahead and take a wait and see attitude about this. Like I said, let's see how Kiffin and USC look in three to five years, then we'll know.

Van wrote:In college football, it's all centered around recruiting. With the rare exceptions of a Charlie Weis or a Ron Zook, i.e., good recruiters who simply appear to be unable to handle the load of being a head coach, recruiting is the name of the game. It's what separates Saban, Meyer and Carroll from their predecessors, and from the other coaches in their respective leagues.

Saban and Meyer both cut their teeth long before their current positions and proved themselves to be excellent coaches. That's what sets them apart. If it was all about recruiting, Bob Davie, Larry Coker, Bill Callahan, Gerry DiNardo, Gerry Faust, Paul Hackett etc. would still be coaching. It's an equal amount of both. Being in South Central will help Kiffen, but he still hasn't proven he can do dick as a head coach. They played UF and Bama tough, but were absolutley depantsed in their last two games and the defense looked like shit in the process. And that was against VaTech and Ole Miss teams that weren't that impressive on offense.

And still I will take a wait and see approach, basing it not on some flighty Raiders gig which was always doomed to failure, or one year in Tennesee, where he inherited an awful team, but rather on how he does over an extended period of time in the same place. I know one thing for certain: He'd better be a damn good recruiter, because nobody is winning any national titles without being an excellent recruiter. It starts with talent. There are always other factors involved, but it must start with having superior talent on the field. For all of Saban's coaching prowess, he doesn't win the national title if he's at Mississippi St, and he didn't do much at Michigan St. At Bama and LSU, he was able to recruit superior talent. His players were nearly always better than their opponents.

That's Job One for Kiffin, the same as it's Job One for any coach in BTPCF.

If Kiffin burps up a 24-12 record over the next three years, hey, he won't get the opportunity to be there five years. If he does manage to be there five years, that's when you and I will really be able to apply any sort of honest critique on his coaching ability. If he flames out before then, great, he flamed out, and he sucked.

The interesting thing, however, will be if he succeeds at USC. If he brings USC back to where they were for most of Pete's tenure, I can already hear what all the excuses will be...

"He's not a good coach, he's a cheater."

"He's not a good coach, he just has a bunch of talent." That'll be Jon's excuse, even as he ignores his own comments about Ron Zook and Charlie Weis.

"He's not a good coach, he just has good assistants." I hope that one does come to fruition, actually, since last year's assistants were fairly awful.

"BFD. Anyone can win at USC." That'll be another one trotted out by the younger types like Jon, whose perspective on college football is about as long as the lines to Iowa City's favorite bars during "$9 Cosmos Night!"

I'll just wait and see. If he wins, I'll assume that those professionals around the football world who hired him knew what they were doing in hiring a brilliant and fiery young mind who comes from great football bloodlines. If he falls on his face, then this will likely be his last major head coaching gig, USC will be fucked for awhile, and you people will be happy.

Van, has Kiffin done anything in the realm of what Saban and/or Meyer has accomplished before they got their big jobs? Has he done anything to warrant any big job? Has he done anything to warrant a head job at any position other than a mid level program?

Outside of his recruiting abilities, he is ill prepared for this job. Carroll had spent years in the college game and in the NFL and had established himself as a top flight DC before his mediocre head coaching stint. Stoops cut his teeth at Iowa, KSU and UF before taking over an OU program that was in dissary. Meyer took over a team that was the dregs of the MAC and got them ranked before moving to Utah, where he got them undefeated and was the first non BCS school to win a BCS game. This was after working at schools like OSU and ND. Saban very nearly had MSU in the Rose Bowl a few short years after probation, and had them ranked in the top 10. Mack Brown had UNC as a consistant top 10-20 team before he got the Texas gig.

Kiffin was coordinator of a team that had two heisman trophy winners playing at once.

Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season, but they were far from horrible. They were 10-4 the previous season including an appearance in the SEC championship game. His 5th year seniors this year were from a class that was ranked #1, his seniors from a class that was ranked #24, and the juniors from a class that was ranked #4.

Killian wrote:Van, has Kiffin done anything in the realm of what Saban and/or Meyer has accomplished before they got their big jobs?

Hard to say. He was a very successful OC at the number one program in the country, then he was the youngest HC in the NFL, and he came out of both jobs with his coaching reputation well intact. At Tennessee, he took over a moribund program and began the job of resurrecting it. He wasn't a wild success there, but by their previous year standard he was definitely a success there.

Which big job are you referring to, since his last four jobs have all been all big jobs. He clearly did at least well enough at each stop to where other people with big jobs to offer came to him with theirs. People with a lot to lose keep paying him a lot of money to coach their teams, and that phenomenon remains true to this day.

Has he done anything to warrant any big job? Has he done anything to warrant a head job at any position other than a mid level program?

Apparently, yes, he has, since he keeps being offered those positions. Obviously, it all stemmed from his success as OC at USC, along with the family tree association. He certainly hasn't fallen on his face at any of his last three stops, and he's not a token minority hire.

Shit, people like Mike and Mark Stoops keep getting mentioned for big jobs, and they haven't achieved nearly as much as Kiffin has, but they get those mentions because they're Bob's brothers.

Being Monte Kiffin's son and a very bright guy, yeah, people are interested.

Outside of his recruiting abilities, he is ill prepared for this job.

And you know this, how? His five or six years at USC and his year as an HC in the SEC somehow have ill prepared him for the job of coaching a college football team?

His resume at USC alone is stronger than most people's, plus he's been an NFL head coach and an SEC head coach. That's a pretty strong fucking resume, especially for such a young, energetic man. It's not like they're taking a chance on some tired, old retread who's only there to collect a final paycheck.

Carroll had spent years in the college game and in the NFL and had established himself as a top flight DC before his mediocre head coaching stint.

He worked under Carroll for half a decade. That's quite a boost to someone's resume; especially for the people in charge at USC.

Stoops cut his teeth at Iowa, KSU and UF before taking over an OU program that was in dissary.

So?? Kiffin cut his teeth at USC, then in the NFL and the SEC as a head coach. That resume trumps just about anybody's, and especially Stoops's at the time of his hire by OU.

Meyer took over a team that was the dregs of the MAC and got them ranked before moving to Utah, where he got them undefeated and was the first non BCS school to win a BCS game. This was after working at schools like OSU and ND. Saban very nearly had MSU in the Rose Bowl a few short years after probation, and had them ranked in the top 10.

Yeah, and guess what? If USC could've landed Meyer or Saban instead of Kiffin, they gladly would have. So would every other program in the country.

Unfortunately, they weren't available.

Mack Brown had UNC as a consistant top 10-20 team before he got the Texas gig.

BFD. Kiffin has lengthy, successful ties to USC, and he's considered to be a monster recruiter. Along with his HC experience, that made him a strong candidate.

Kiffin was coordinator of a team that had two heisman trophy winners playing at once.

Exactly. You don't think Mike Garrett recognized that the offense was better under Kiffin than it was under Jeremy Bates and Johnny Morton, and that Kiffin was to be given at least some of the credit for that? I'm pretty sure that the presumption is Kiffin and Sark had a lot to do with the development and utilization of those talents.

Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season, but they were far from horrible.

No, they were firmly, unquestionably horrible. They were the worst Tennessee team in recent memory. They'd lost at home to Wyoming. The recruiting had dried up, and the cupboard was considered to be bare. Their talent level wasn't considered to be on a par any longer with their main foes in the SEC.

Besides Eric Berry, Kiffin walked into the same situation you used to claim Weis walked into, except Kiffin didn't have any Brady Quinns or Eyecharts sitting there, and Kiffin's schedule included Florida, Bama and LSU, along with UCLA.

Kiffin took that lemon and made at least a little bit of lemonaid. He also recruited his ass off, bringing in the kinds of people Tennessee was no longer landing with the previous regime. He did a decent job in his one year there. He certainly didn't fall on his face. He improved the team, and he improved their prospects for the future.

They were 10-4 the previous season including an appearance in the SEC championship game. His 5th year seniors this year were from a class that was ranked #1, his seniors from a class that was ranked #24, and the juniors from a class that was ranked #4.

The team Kiffin inherited wasn't even a bowl team, in an era where even Notre Dame is still usually a bowl team. He had them playing tougher and harder by far than the previous year's team. He produced more wins, more solid efforts and, most of all, more excitement and hope for the future than the guy he replaced.

That's not a bad first year. Compare and contrast it with, say, Dick Rod's first two years in Ann Arbor. That team is now worse than it was when he landed there, including a season of being historically bad.

Kiffin did a decent job, and combined with his previous success at USC, Mike Garrett obviously thought enough of him to hire him for another pretty huge job.

I don't know if he'll work out, and neither do you, but I do know this: I'm happier that they picked him over some of the other names that were being bandied about.

Wow, Van. You are sounding awfuly m2ish about this hire. His coaching reputation is far from intact. I hope to God you were kidding with the majority of that post. Even Vito thinks that's myopic.

Pick something out and refute it then.

He absolutely came out of the Raiders gig with his coaching reputation intact. Al looked like a laughing stock, and the job Lane did there was respected by his players, the local media and the people in the know around the league. That's why he was able to transition right into the HC gig at a major SEC program. He sure as hell didn't ruin his coaching reputation in Tennessee. He steped on toes and pissed people off, but nobody can say that he didn't turn that program around and at least get them pointed in the right direction.

Clearly, you can't be referring to his work as OC and assistant OC at USC. The job he did there was well regarded.

So, fuck off with the gratuitous nonsense. Pick out something specific and refute it. Bottom line, I keep saying let's wait and see. That's not good enough for you? What do you want then?

Holy shit, you are serious. I'm not going to pound out a response on my blackberry, I'll save that for tomorrow. I do find it funny that someone who has taken a "wait and see" approach is the same person touting his nothing accomplishments as some sort of indicator that this was a good hire.

Point me to where I said he was a good hire. I said I prefer his hiring to some of the other names I'd heard bandied about. I said his resume obviously made him a strong candidate, which is self-evident since he got the job. I also said that he has a strong resume, especially for someone his age. More than anything, I said that I don't know how he'll do, and neither do you, so I think I'll take a wait and see approach.

Pete Carroll wasn't considered at the time to be a good hire either, and that one worked out okay.

I asked you before, and I'll ask it again: What do you want me to do, other than take a wait and see attitude about this? Do I have any other options here?

Van wrote:He absolutely came out of the Raiders gig with his coaching reputation intact.

Yes, sending his fat kicker out to attempt a 76 yd FG is a nice resume touch.

How does he have a strong resume? He was hired into the NFL after everyone turned down Alice, including the guy who was considered the real brains behind the USC offense post Chow. He took over a solid SEC program that had one bad year and one poor recruiting class. He improved by 2 wins. Compare that to the jobs that Sark and Dan Mullen did with much tougher circumstances.

Who's resume is worse than Kiffin's that USC seriously considered? Kiffin's resume falls short of most major college hires of the past 5 years.

You can take a wait and see approach, but the odds favor him failing than being a success.

Killian wrote:How does he have a strong resume?

Lane Kiffin

-Thirty-four years old

-Son of Monte Kiffin

-Spent my whole life breaking down game tape with the architect of the 'Tampa Defense'

-Six years as WR coach, Assistant OC and OC at USC, including being on the staff of two national title winning teams, while helping to provide tutelege to three Heisman Trophy winners and 987 future NFL players

-OC and play caller for dominating offensive perfomances in two (2) Rose Bowls

-While at USC, studied under offensive genius Norm Chow and defensive genius Pete Carroll

-Youngest head coach in NFL history

-Youngest head coach in The Meatgrinder, where I took a DOA, 5-7 team and elevated them into respectability in the SEC, as well as a return to the bowl season.

-Considered to be one of the top recruiters in the game

-Hire me, and you get Monte Kiffin for defensive help

-Hire me, and you get Ed Orgeron for defensive help and recruiting

-Fiery, charismatic leader

-I'm a Trojan at heart. This is my 'destination job'. This is not a stepping-stone move for me. This is where I want to be.

-Did I mention I'm only 34, I used to work here during the glory years, and I recruit like a motherfucker?

Yeah, Killian, I'd say he's got a pretty strong resume. There aren't many people out there with stronger ones, at least not among people who could be considered viable candidates for the job. There are some, but not many.

He was hired into the NFL after everyone turned down Alice, including the guy who was considered the real brains behind the USC offense post Chow.

The simple fact that he was even mentioned for an NFL head coaching job at, what, thirty-one years of age, that put him in mighty select company. Not everyone turned down Alice, because not everyone was offered an interview much less a job by Alice.

He took over a solid SEC program that had one bad year and one poor recruiting class. He improved by 2 wins. Compare that to the jobs that Sark and Dan Mullen did with much tougher circumstances.

Compare that to the job that Rich Rodriguez has done at Michigan, or the one Gene Chizik did at Iowa St, or the job Charlie Weis did at Notre Dame.

He did a decent job.

Who's resume is worse than Kiffin's that USC seriously considered?

DeWayne Walker's, for one, if the reports I read were to be believed. I also would rather have Kiffin than Trojan alum Jack Del Rio, simply because of Kiffin's extensive experience of coaching in college, and Del Rio's complete lack of same.

I would've taken Jeff Fisher over Kiffin, but I would've been very leery over his ability and willingness to recruit. At least with Kiffin, which also includes Orgeron, I'm not worried that USC won't be getting after it on the recruiting trail.

Kiffin's resume falls short of most major college hires of the past 5 years.

Kiffin's resume destroys most major hires of the last ten years. It's better than:

-Stoops, at the time of his hiring by OU
-John Blake, before him
-Mack Brown's, at the time of his hire by Texas
-John Mackovic, before him
-Gene Chizik, by Auburn
-Bobby Petrino, by Arkansas
-Les Miles, by LSU
-Jim Tressell, at Ohio St
-Jim Harbaugh, at Stanford
-Chip Kelly, at Oregon
-Booger Dooley, or whatever his name is, at Tennessee
-Any hiring of either Bowden son
-Mike Shula, by Bama

Killian, this list could go on forever. None of those guys brought the resume to their interview that Kiffin brought to Mike Garrett. The guy was USC's OC, post Norm Chow. Forget that Kiffin was also head coach in the NFL and in the SEC. Simply being USC's OC when they were killing people gives him a stronger resume than everyone on that list, with Bobby Petrino being the one possible exception. Petrino won a conference championship while in the Big East, but he was an abortion with the Atlanta Falcons. He was far worse than Kiffin was with the Raiders.

At only thirty-four years of age, with Monte and Orgeron coming along as a package deal, and with their combined strength in recruiting, that's a strong resume. There aren't many resumes that are better, not among people who were candidates for the job.

You can take a wait and see approach, but the odds favor him failing than being a success.

So? What am I supposed to do about that? I still have to take a wait and see approach, unless you know of any way I can create change in their hiring process.

If it were up to me, they would've made Urban Meyer an offer he couldn't refuse, but they didn't consult with me.

Sure had a hard staying in that 5 year range, didn't you? And out of that whole list you cobbled together, all but a handful of those guys had a better resume than Kiffin at the time of their hires. That list was a fucking joke.

His resume you cited had a whole lot to do with ties to other people and who would be coming with him.

Weis took over a team that was 11-13 the previous two years and went 9-3 his first season. Kiffin took over a team that was 15-11 and went 7-5.

Kiffin has a below .500 career head coaching record. As a coordinator, he has 0 championships. How is this a strong resume? As an actual coach, Kiffin hasn't accomplished dick. He was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple.

You've just been itchin' to throw out that W line, huh?

How do you figure Kiffin has zero championships as a coordinator? He was USC's OC during '05 and '06, which meant he won the Pac 10 both his years as OC. Or do you only mean national championships?

Van wrote:Kiffin's resume destroys most major hires of the last ten years. It's better than:

-Jim Tressell, at Ohio St

Sorry Van, but I gotta at least defend my guy. How many CFB national championships did Lane have as a head coach when USC hired him? Uhh, riggghhht. That's what I thought. :doh:

Believe the Heupel wrote:You'd almost think USC was in the SEC.

Almost... Just almost.

Jsc810 wrote:

Van wrote:-Six years as WR coach, Assistant OC and OC at USC, including being on the staff of two national title winning teams, while helping to provide tutelege to three Heisman Trophy winners and 987 future NFL players

In 6 years, 987 future NFL players were at USC? :?

Jsc, I thought I'd made the number absurd enough there that everybody would immediately know it was merely a joke.

Did I need to make it something like 4,412,347 before you would've realized that it wasn't meant to be taken literally?

Wow.

L45B wrote:

Van wrote:Kiffin's resume destroys most major hires of the last ten years. It's better than:

-Jim Tressel, at Ohio St

Sorry Van, but I gotta at least defend my guy. How many CFB national championships did Lane have as a head coach when USC hired him?

Tressel was at D1-AA Youngstown St. Being USC's OC is more impressive on a resume than being a D1-AA HC.

Van wrote:

L45B wrote:

Van wrote:Kiffin's resume destroys most major hires of the last ten years. It's better than:

-Jim Tressel, at Ohio St

Sorry Van, but I gotta at least defend my guy. How many CFB national championships did Lane have as a head coach when USC hired him?

Tressel was at D1-AA Youngstown St. Being USC's OC is more impressive on a resume than being a D1-AA HC.

You've got to be trolling now. Kudos. No one can say that with a straight face.

Mace wrote:

You've got to be trolling now. Kudos. No one can say that with a straight face.

Exactly. It's not like he had been the OC at Cal.

Or Iowa for that matter...

Believe the Heupel wrote:*snicker*

Yeah, sure. Being the OC at USC NOT named Chow is much more prestigious than winning two straight D-IAA championships. Except that it's not.

Except that it is. USC's first two OC's NOT named Chow went straight into head coaching gigs in the NFL and the Pac 10. Tressel doesn't get a sniff at either job as coach of Youngstown St. He got the Ohio St gig simply because of his Ohio St ties. Pick any current D1-AA coach you care to name, and he's not going to be seriously considered for the head coaching gigs of the Raiders, Huskies or Volunteers.

Van, just because Carroll was an NFL re-tread, doesn't prove the point that the NCAA is just the triple AAA ranks for the NFL...and/or disprove L. Kiffin got a job with Al because he was cute and has an NFL name. Callahan, Greg Robinson, Chan Gailey, Al Groh, on and on.... which is kind of what a lot of USC fan's posts take for granted as a "logic". fuck, you got to be fired 3-4 times to not be an NFL guy. it's re-tread city.

the most spurious association in this thread is the early one Van makes about Shanahan and Kiffin being Al stooges...and therefore not dissimilar. and as if one proves the other by association. that much is true sort of. not Tom Cable ref, though. but, Shanahan was a grad assistant (no or little pay) at OU under Switzer in the early 70's because he wanted to learn how to run the ball. I don't see the banging of cheerleaders and swinging Lane willing to pay those kind of dues to make it.

and as a longtime denver-boulder resident, i don't love the rat or bronco fan. trust me.

anyone outside of the usual meyer-stoops-gruden is coming to coach us would have been a questionable hire. it's a perfectly reasonable hire on SC's part to bring in someone they're familiar with and who is likewise familiar with their program. i don't see the BFD here, aside from the humor. he did horribly with the raiders, but what cf coach hasn't? and he wasn't a raging success at tennessee, but he wasn't a walking disaster either, save the recruiting violations and press conferences. he's actually a great hire considering his fit with SC's football philosophy: make sure you have a two-star advantage at every position. not like pete carroll could actually coach aside from telling his big, fast players to run past the other team's slow midgets.

that said, to spend an entire thread defending the kiffin hire only to pivot on tressel's cv means van obviously doesn't believe his own bs.

Sorry, Sam, but nope, not at all. The fact that everyone hates Kiffin and is piling on USC doesn't change the fact of the guy's ridiculously awesome resume.

Thirty-four years old. Nobody can touch his resume at that age.

Van wrote: Thirty-four years old. Nobody can touch his resume at that age.

Switzer maybe, depending on how much emphasis you want to give the NFL experience for LK. Barry had 2 NC's and one loss in 3 years at about that age. but, that kinda sounds like what CU fan used to say about Rick Neuheisel when was 22-2 with McCartney's guys...and then reality hit the next couple years and Rick skipped town to do the same thing at UW: win with someone else's recruits and kind of run the program into the ground.

I give Kiffin some benefit of the doubt, but his star resume may be a function of being the right guy in the right place at the right time....which is what i think a lot of people are saying. if i were USC fan, i'd have some doubts.

Of course I have doubts. I've been saying all along that I'll sit back and see how it goes, but apparently that isn't good enough. Since I'm not in charge of hiring for USC's coaching staff, I'm not sure what Killian wants me to say or do here. All I can do now is wait and see how Kiffin does, and hope for the best.

As for Switzer, I was talking current guys. Among current thirty-four year old coaches, nobody in CF can touch Kiffin's resume, and none of the guys on that list I provided were even in his ballpark at that age. Most of them weren't close at the time they landed their signature jobs, regardless of their age.

Van wrote:Of course I have doubts. I've been saying all along that I'll sit back and see how it goes, but apparently that isn't good enough. Since I'm not in charge of hiring for USC's coaching staff, I'm not sure what Killian wants me to say or do here. All I can do now is wait and see how Kiffin does, and hope for the best.

As for Switzer, I was talking current guys. Among current thirty-four year old coaches, nobody in CF can touch Kiffin's resume, and none of the guys on that list I provided were even in his ballpark at that age. Most of them weren't close at the time they landed their signature jobs, regardless of their age.

fair enough, but is Kiffin ready to be a HC? i've worked with people who had killer resumes but simply were not ready to be where they were as college teachers or inna day cheffing at high end places. do you really want LK, as nifty as he is on paper, learning on the job at USC. that was point about Colorado and Neuheisel. a top ten type program at the time and you give Rick the keys to the car and he's not ready to drive. i could have won 10 games with the McCartney studs Rick had his first two years at CU. Quin Snyder at Missouri in hoops, as sharp a young hoops guy with the Duke pedigree as there was but simply not ready to run a bigtime program. and while MU is a second tier but highly respectable hoops job, the stakes are a lot higher at USC football. one of the true blueblood programs. top 5 All-Time.