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Hopefully he'll get a real wake up call in the big house when eight black dudes (whose moms probably should've considered abortions) make him into a squalling hysterical butt-baby. Also, his verdict will hopefully deter other neo-fascists from acting out and claiming some fatuous moral high ground.

Scott Roeder, 51, was convicted of first-degree murder and aggravated assault by a Wichita, Kansas jury which deliberated for just over 30 minutes. The case attracted anti-abortion protesters from around the nation to support Roeder.

Abortion has been one of America's most contentious and divisive issues for decades, affecting everything from local and national elections to the selection of U.S. Supreme Court justices.

Roeder admitted he stalked and shot to death Dr. George Tiller, 67, on May 31 last year as Tiller attended church in Wichita, Kansas. He argued in court his actions were necessary to protect unborn babies.

"Abortions were being done every day," Roeder testified. "My honest belief was that if I didn't do something they would continue to die."

Roeder's sentencing was set for March 9. District Attorney Nola Foulston will seek a "hard 50" mandatory life sentence, under which Roeder will have to serve 50 years in prison before becoming eligible for parole.

hang the bastard!!!!!

hang him for not having the sense to shot your daddy before he blew a load into your mom.

smackaholic wrote:hang the bastard!!!!!

hang him for not having the sense to shot your daddy before he blew a load into your mom.

Roeder blew a load in his mom?

Who would have known?

Roeder is going to be blowing black pipe for the next thirty years or so until he dies. End of story.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Roeder is going to be blowing black pipe for the next thirty years or so until he dies.

:swoon:

Sincerely,

Stanley Q. Pickkkle

Most black woman don't have abortions because they are typically faithful Christians/Muslims. And not as weak as left wing women ... or men for that matter.


Sincerely,
The Truth

Roeder did it for Tebow

Not the ones I know.

I've lived, worked, with the black women for a long time. Beautiful, stoned immaculate, inspirational. Single mothers facing the fear of raising a child alone in the world. Hard workers and brilliant.

They see abortion for what it is. The Muslim ones are cool. They actually agree with that dude who said "abortion is racist", part of the genocidal schemes of the white devil.

Did I dispute your overall assertion ? No I did not.

"My honest belief was that if I didn't do something they would continue to die."

Glad to see it all worked out for ya'.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter Ken.

Aren't we afraid that cracking down on people such as this will only create more of them ?

Tom, mvscal completely missing your Doors lyric should've been the tip-off....

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Roeder is going to be blowing black pipe for the next thirty years or so until he dies. End of story.

Your jealousy of him is gonna kill you.

Ken wrote:

"My honest belief was that if I didn't do something they would continue to die."

Glad to see it all worked out for ya'.

In a way, it did.

Tillers' clinic is closed for good.

Which clinic is racking in the money since that one closed down?

I wouldn't know.

There aren't many clinics or doctors willing to perform late term abortions.

War Wagon wrote:I wouldn't know.

There aren't many clinics or doctors willing to perform late term abortions.

There's not that big a demand either.

War Wagon wrote:I wouldn't know.

There aren't many clinics or doctors willing to perform late term abortions.

He only performed late term abortions?

Did he tell women their fetus wasnt big enough to tangle with his egg beater?

Mr T wrote: He only performed late term abortions?

Probably not, but that was his specialty. Women who couldn't get an abortion elsewhere because they were in the 3rd trimester would come to him.

I don't know the exact numbers, but there are probably only a handful of clinics or doctors that will perform a late term abortion, and his clinic was the WalMart of those.

War Wagon wrote: his clinic was the WalMart of those.

You have something against a legitimate business turning a reasonable profit?

Why do you hate America?

The late term abortions are generally those with severely defected fetuses, etc. Roeder of course doesn't care about that--or the law of the land--since his only impetus is a fanatical religious cult, etc.

Tebow's mother is another lying fanatic. As is being pointed out, her story of having been encouraged to have an abortion when pregnant with Tim while in the Philippines is apparently bullshit since abortion has been illegal there since 1930.

What's remarkable about the whole abortion war is that inducing a miscarriage is the easiest and oldest natural way to abort. Since ancient times women in various cultures have used certain herbs, etc., to induce a miscarriage. Simple as that. Obviously Big Pharma doesn't want people to know anything about natural herbal remedies, and the Christer cultists....well they want the world to end immediately so they can sit at the feet of Jesus for eternity, etc.

Wags wrote:his clinic was the WalMart of those.

Aha!! You finally admit it!

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The late term abortions are generally those with severely defected fetuses, etc. Roeder of course doesn't care about that--or the law of the land--since his only impetus is a fanatical religious cult, etc.

Tebow's mother is another lying fanatic. As is being pointed out, her story of having been encouraged to have an abortion when pregnant with Tim while in the Philippines is apparently bullshit since abortion has been illegal there since 1930.

What's remarkable about the whole abortion war is that inducing a miscarriage is the easiest and oldest natural way to abort. Since ancient times women in various cultures have used certain herbs, etc., to induce a miscarriage. Simple as that. Obviously Big Pharma doesn't want people to know anything about natural herbal remedies, and the Christer cultists....well they want the world to end immediately so they can sit at the feet of Jesus for eternity, etc.

yeah, i'm sure it would've been real tuff for her to get a back alley abortion in the Phillipines back then.

fucking moron.

Jsc810 wrote:Dr. Tiller was a hero, may he rest in peace.

Sure, I believe in God's infinite mercy, may he be resting in peace.

But a "hero" ? What the fuck kind of drugs are you on ? He provided a service, made money off killing unwanted children. If that's what THIS country wants and it is properly sanctioned through legislative bodies ... so be it.

But a "hero" ?

Tom In VA wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:Dr. Tiller was a hero, may he rest in peace.

Sure, I believe in God's infinite mercy, may he be resting in peace.

But a "hero" ? What the fuck kind of drugs are you on ? He provided a service, made money off killing unwanted children. If that's what THIS country wants and it is properly sanctioned through legislative bodies ... so be it.

But a "hero" ?

Of course Tom, all he was doing was "killing off unwanted children". Are you really this dense?

Well the result of his "procedure" was the death of a human being. I don't engage in doublespeak and euphamisms.

Was "unwanted" a bit to the extreme ? Based on the cases provided by Jsc, yes, certainly. They were "wanted but wanted less than ..." something else.

Either way, his service was killing unborn babies. Like any other abortionist.

Jsc810 wrote:Before birth, they are potential human beings

Sure. The only thing that makes them "potential" is a decision made by a human being. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence for either position on what the - unborn child is - you want to be an arrogant prick and say it is "potentially human" or a piece of snot, or what have you that's on you. I don't expect you to buy my position as FACT, don't expect me to buy your bullshit as fact either.

I don't know what "it" is, all I know is that the tissue is human tissue, has a heartbeat all its own and if left up to nature would either be born or miscarried. When human beings intervene in that process it results in the end of that heartbeat.

Whenever human beings have decided who and what is human and who and what is not, we've typically been wrong.

Tom In VA wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:Before birth, they are potential human beings

Sure. The only thing that makes them "potential" is a decision made by a human being. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence for either position on what the - unborn child is - you want to be an arrogant prick and say it is "potentially human" or a piece of snot, or what have you that's on you. I don't expect you to buy my position as FACT, don't expect me to buy your bullshit as fact either.

Even though you stated your position as fact.

Jsc810 wrote:By your logic, Tom, these two are the same.

I make a casserole using both. Cooked cut-up chicken breast, cream of chicken soup, cream of celery soup, chopped celery, rice and chopped hard-boiled eggs. We call it the Which Came First Casserole. Not to be confused with Screw_Michigan’s Who Came First Glory Hole.

Goober McTuber wrote: Even though you stated your position as fact.

1+1 = 2

If you don't accept that as fact, so be it. If you're going to harp on my use of declarative that's pretty weak and does nothing.

The bottom line is this. In my opinion, "it" is nothing other than a human being. Every essence of "it" is human.

I live in a country where laws are made and practices sanctioned by legislative bodies representing the collective opinions and values of a given community. If communities and states want to sanction abortion because the majority of people there believe it is more prudent to offer women a safe place to kill their children, so be it.

I'm not trying to dictate anything. I'm stating my opinion, declaratively. The baby is a human baby and any rationalization or justification to the contrary is an exercise in mental masturbation and I'm not buying it.

~ sigh ~

I'm gonna go over this one more time...

Any woman wishing to abort her foetus should just give it Iraqi citizenship. No one will give a shit. Everyone's happy.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote: Even though you stated your position as fact.

1+1 = 2

If you don't accept that as fact, so be it. If you're going to harp on my use of declarative that's pretty weak and does nothing.

The bottom line is this. In my opinion, "it" is nothing other than a human being. Every essence of "it" is human.

I live in a country where laws are made and practices sanctioned by legislative bodies representing the collective opinions and values of a given community. If communities and states want to sanction abortion because the majority of people there believe it is more prudent to offer women a safe place to kill their children, so be it.

I'm not trying to dictate anything. I'm stating my opinion, declaratively.

And you got your panties in a bunch when jsc did the same thing. Admit to your hypocrisy, embrace it. You’ll be better for it.

You’re just stating your opinion? And suggesting that your opinion is the equivalent of 1 + 1 = 2? Whatever.

Goober McTuber wrote: And you got your panties in a bunch when jsc did the same thing.

I did no such thing.

As long as something is in your body, I think you have the right to cut it out.

If you dont want an abortion, dont get one.


Tom,

If your wife or daughter was raped by a black man and impregnated, would you view it as god's miracle or press ctrl-alt-delete?

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote: And you got your panties in a bunch when jsc did the same thing.

I did no such thing.

Tom In VA wrote:Sure. The only thing that makes them "potential" is a decision made by a human being. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence for either position on what the - unborn child is - you want to be an arrogant prick and say it is "potentially human" or a piece of snot, or what have you that's on you. I don't expect you to buy my position as FACT, don't expect me to buy your bullshit as fact either.

Close enough. Either way, you're still a hypocrite. And that's a FACT.

Goober McTuber wrote: Sure. The only thing that makes them "potential" is a decision made by a human being. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence for either position on what the - unborn child is - you want to be an arrogant prick and say it is "potentially human" or a piece of snot, or what have you that's on you. I don't expect you to buy my position as FACT, don't expect me to buy your bullshit as fact either.

Thanks for the assist Goobs. Glad you're back dude.

It's fun to be back. Except for when I have to yell at you.

Mr T wrote: Tom,

If your wife or daughter was raped by a black man and impregnated, would you view it as god's miracle or press ctrl-alt-delete?

Regardless of the color of the rapist's skin, I would be faced with a decision as to whether or not to support my wife of daughter's decision as to whether or not to terminate a beating - human heart. I do not know what I would do.

Just because I voice my opinion as to the nature of the being inside the woman does not mean I don't acknowledge that there is a "choice" in the matter. Our lives are filled with choices and decisions.

As I said, if a community or state legislative body wishes to provide women with safe havens to kill their unborn babies - so be it.

Tom In VA wrote:Regardless of the color of the rapist's skin, I would be faced with a decision as to whether or not to support my wife of daughter's decision as to whether or not to terminate a beating - human heart. I do not know what I would do.

Just because I voice my opinion as to the nature of the being inside the woman does not mean I don't acknowledge that there is a "choice" in the matter. Our lives are filled with choices and decisions.

As I said, if a community or state legislative body wishes to provide women with safe havens to kill their unborn babies - so be it.

You forgot to log in as Dan Vogel.


All I know is there is a gray area.

If someone wants to abort a fetus because it is threatening their own life, then they should have that right.