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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



Original man had God's Word in the center of his heart.
We left this Word and the result is that we placed created things in our hearts.
Think about yourself.

People are SO anxious and full of worry and discontent.
We think we can manage a way to make things better, to have things work out, to find the happiness we so desperately want to have.
But the created things we grasp for all crumble, and inevitably so.

Man was made to live by the grace of the Creator.
Apart from this is death, spiritual death - Genesis 2:17.

Spiritual death signifies the state of the person who has not met God.

The ruler of this world drags him around, causes all manner of suffering, and then takes him to complete separation from God for eternity.

It's a heartbreaking scenario.


Because we are totally powerless against the onslaught, God promised and delivered complete restoration through Christ.

There is no other method.

Just believe it and take it, and it is FINISHED.

poptart wrote:Original man had God's Word in the center of his heart.
We left this Word and the result is that we placed created things in our hearts.

By me - The battle was won before it begun
ETERNALLY RACK G-OD'S - Will Being Done On Earth As It Is In Heaven

I'm calling for our King Jesus Rule to be established upon a Socialist platform.
Righteous Socialism Incorruptible
Uninfluenced by The Greed Of Pubby and/or Oblivious To The Moral Looseness Of Libby.

GO JESUS GO JESUS GO JESUS

poptart wrote: We left this Word and the result is that we placed created things in our hearts.

I didn't do shit, and neither did you....

why do you insist on debasing yourself like that....damn dude, when I hear shit like that I'm reminded of Wayne and Garth

"we're not worthy, we're not worthy"

You left God's Word and you've placed created things in your heart.

Burn the witch.

Martyred wrote:Burn the witch.

IN YOUR FACE RED SATAN

Johnny Bold wrote:

Martyred wrote:Burn the witch.

IN YOUR FACE RED SATAN

Shut the fuck up and turn the other cheek, christian faggot.

Sudden Sam wrote:I say this with all due respect, of course.

I don't. Christianity is a religion for faggots by faggots. The only time Christians ever get anything done is when they forget they're Christians.

It is a pitiful mindfuck suitable only for slaves.

^
As opposed to Bu$h_Corp, right?

Religiously speaking - I must admit that Scripture doesn't bode all to well for your kind.
Personally; I still hold out hope for teh blasphemous heathens when they be a weeping, gnashing, and wailing away in their
dire search for a reprieve -
_My hope is that when G-d's will be done on earth -the glorious joy which will herald in mankind's long awaited rescue will be all encompassing??

poptart wrote:You left God's Word and you've placed created things in your heart.

the fuck is this nonsensical horsehit supposed to mean

Johnny Bold wrote:^
As opposed to Bu$h_Corp, right?

Was that supposed to make some kind of sense?

Religiously speaking - I must admit that Scripture doesn't bode all to well for your kind.

Good thing I really don't give a fuck what your (derivative) Bronze Age fairy tale bodes for anybody. It is clear that you are a credulous tard who can't even begin to separate fact from fiction.

Felix wrote:

poptart wrote:You left God's Word and you've placed created things in your heart.

the fuck is this nonsensical horsehit supposed to mean

Created things. You know....like the Bible and religion.

mvscal wrote: Created things. You know....like the Bible and religion.

2nd commandment

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth

so would all of those velvet paintings of jesus qualify as "graven images"?
a friend wants to know.....

Felix wrote:

poptart wrote:You left God's Word and you've placed created things in your heart.

the fuck is this nonsensical horsehit supposed to mean

You disbelieve God's Word and you've placed created things closest and most dear to your heart.

It's not just you, Felix, it's where we've all gone.

That's why the world is such a strange place full of strange people.



The 2nd commandment that you cited was cut short there.
God warned against bowing down to idols.

This is in line with our conversation here.
When you "bow down" - put those things in your heart in place of God, you undoubtedly come under a very harmful influence of satan.

Heartbreakingly, such is the world and such are people.

poptart wrote:You disbelieve God's Word and you've placed created things closest and most dear to your heart.

straight up bullshit....the thing I hold closest is family and friends

The 2nd commandment that you cited was cut short there.
God warned against bowing down to idols.

that's the second sentence, but the first one was complete.....don't make images of things in heaven....so what am I missing here?

Heartbreakingly, such is the world and such are people.

you need to develop a little higher opinion of yourself....I'm pretty sure I have a higher opinion of you than you do yourself...that's fucking weird

Felix, your friends and family are created things.


Exodus 20:2-5
2: I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


God is the only God.
Don't make idols (something to put your heart and/or worship into other than God).
Don't bow down to idols.


There is nothing wrong with having a picture of Jesus.
If the picture is an idol, that's a pretty big problem.

poptart wrote:God's Word

Says who?

mvscal wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:^
As opposed to Bu$h_Corp, right?

Was that supposed to make some kind of sense?

From the spiritual to the carnal, we all believe in one thing or another, we all settle for something which we are willing to place are faith in.
For my taste - Bob Dylan did a real good job of explaining it with this:
(Yeah, I know - by you, Bob Dylan is a faggot's faggot.
But for the sake of argument, just pretend for a second that in your world, believers are allowed to express their point of view.)

Gotta Serve Somebody - Bob Dylan
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesopra ... mebody.htm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Johnny, your last rant is atypical of why I honestly feel that you people need to be in restraints and loaded up with Thorazine.

Even though I don't know you from Adam - I am truly sorry that you feel that way, Sam.
My hope is that you have loved ones praying for your spiritual side will awaken.

If called upon, my advice would be - Instead of allowing yourself to be influenced by godless low lifer's, try giving G-d an honest shot, as in - "Seek And You Will Find"

I say this with all due respect, of course.

Johnny Bold wrote: just pretend for a second that in your world, believers are allowed to express their point of view.

Oh, you're allowed to express your point of view just as I am allowed to ridicule your primitive superstition. By the way, the question remains.

poptart wrote: God's Word

Says who?

poptart wrote:Felix, your friends and family are created things.

so as a true believer, if god ordered you to throw one of your children in front of a bus, you'd have no alternative but to obey right?

Sixth Commandment 'You shall not murder.'

ironic that upon delivery of the commandments, Moses allegedly killed a shitload of people...of course, on orders from god

"thou shalt kill everyone because they made a false idol"

talk about an inferiority complex.....

Felix wrote:

poptart wrote:Felix, your friends and family are created things.

so as a true believer, if god ordered you to throw one of your children in front of a bus, you'd have no alternative but to obey right?

It's not generally the kind of thing that goes down, but yes, sure, Felix, I would throw one of my children in front of a bus if GOD ordered me to.



Exodus 3:14
13: And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.


Mvscal, I AM has called me to relay His Word to you.

You can take it or leave it.

Sam - understand that I am not saying I would toss my child in front of a bus because I think God told me to.

I would do so if God DID tell me to do so.


Surely you're not here to say that a judge is to be held in higher regard than the One who created him?

poptart wrote:I would do so if God DID tell me to do so.

What if Zeus or Odin told you to do it? How would you know the difference?

Mvscal, Felix' question is goofy.
But he asked a question and it's polite to give a genuine reply to it.

God's not going to be asking me to toss my child in front of a bus or any such thing.


Zeus and Odin never did anything to demonstrate that they are God.

Jesus, who is the Christ, surely did.

You can deny that if you choose to.
We have that freedom.

poptart wrote:Jesus, who is the Christ, surely did.

Gaysoos got horsewhipped and nailed to a cross. Any dumbshit can do that.

Zeus hurls lighting bolts from Mt. Olympus and macks on hotties while disguised as a bull. I don't see your faggoty "god" pulling any trim like that.

mvscal wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote: just pretend for a second that in your world, believers are allowed to express their point of view.

Oh, you're allowed to express your point of view just as I am allowed to ridicule your primitive superstition.

G-d Is Great, you're not, so stfu!!!

See what I did there - I did you.
Not so well, but I tried.

Seriously:
Yes, we agree - As of now, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
G-d granted us all free will - If it's good enough for Him, yadda_yadda.

Btw - G-d also promised that there would be an end to iniquity.
Oh Happy Day's

poptart wrote:Mvscal, Felix' question is goofy.
But he asked a question and it's polite to give a genuine reply to it.

God's not going to be asking me to toss my child in front of a bus or any such thing.

he asked plenty of people in the old testament to do just such a thing....or are those parts of the bible parts we're supposed to be ignoring now? in modern times, christian zealots can justify just about anything (blowing up abortion clinics and the assassination of abortion doctors) if they believe god is speaking to them...I can envision a scenario where some antiabortion nutjob kills his son/daughter because they legally perform abortions....

Jesus, who is the Christ, surely did

really? all we have is third, fourth, fifth and sixth hand accounts of what this person was to have alleged to have done and documented in only one manuscript that has been shown time and time again to be fraught with errors and inconsistencies....

Johnny Bold wrote:
G-d granted us all free will - If it's good enough for Him, yadda_yadda.

god ordered us to have free will? buwahahahahahahahaha

Btw - G-d also promised that there would be an end to iniquity.
Oh Happy Day's

damn dude, you sound like one of those just waiting in anticipation of the apocalypse...scary

Felix wrote:he asked plenty of people in the old testament to do just such a thing....or are those parts of the bible parts we're supposed to be ignoring now?

Not ignoring.
Basic understanding would be good.

You're flailing, Felix.

Jesus death and resurrection was a fulfillment of God's plan and a fulfillment of much prophecy of such.

It signalled an end to many things that necessarily went on in Old Testament times.

in modern times, christian zealots can justify just about anything (blowing up abortion clinics and the assassination of abortion doctors) if they believe god is speaking to them...I can envision a scenario where some antiabortion nutjob kills his son/daughter because they legally perform abortions....

Interesting info, but it has nothing at all to do with the discussion.

I don't support mayhem done by people who think God has told them to cause such harm.

I support giving people the Word of Life, so that they can be taken out of the certain destruction that awaits them.

all we have is third, fourth, fifth and sixth hand accounts of what this person was to have alleged to have done and documented in only one manuscript that has been shown time and time again to be fraught with errors and inconsistencies....

Not true.

Felix wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:
G-d also promised that there would be an end to iniquity.
Oh Happy Day's

damn dude, you sound like one of those just waiting in anticipation of the apocalypse...scary

...Scary for whom? :wink:

Sudden Sam wrote:
I was raised in church. But as I got older (about 14), my brain developed and began functioning.

Cute
I was raised a catholic - happy to say that I survived doing the alter boy thang with my virginity in tact.
Seems like we both came to the same understanding of what most of those self serving man made religious orgs are really about.
The only big dif I see is - one of us gave up on G-d altogether.
Oh well; it's sad to say, but I suppose it comes with - the placing ones faith in some man made religious org - territory.

Johnny Bold wrote:
...Scary for whom? :wink:

scary for those that aren't consumed by bronze age myths....

Felix wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:
...Scary for whom? :wink:

scary for those that aren't consumed by bronze age myths....

If they are but "myths" why be scared?
Could it be that G-d is in your dome? :wink:

^
Real World = Material Bondage

Alas, I can but respect your right to call it as you will it, Sam.
Have a great incarceration.

Johnny Bold wrote:If they are but "myths" why be scared?

Who's scared...well, besides you? Religious belief is entirely predicated on fear. Improper behavior invokes divine punishment. It is standard boilerplate hokum practiced by every single religious/spiritual belief system without exception.

mvscal wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:If they are but "myths" why be scared?

Who's scared...well, besides you? Religious belief is entirely predicated on fear. Improper behavior invokes divine punishment. It is standard boilerplate hokum practiced by every single religious/spiritual belief system without exception.

If you say so :)

poptart wrote:Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If Jesus wrestled, would he wrestle for Iowa or Oklahoma State?

Johnny Bold wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:If they are but "myths" why be scared?

Who's scared...well, besides you? Religious belief is entirely predicated on fear. Improper behavior invokes divine punishment. It is standard boilerplate hokum practiced by every single religious/spiritual belief system without exception.

If you say so :)

I don't. Your Bible does. Believe in God or go to hell. It's a pretty straight forward concept though I have noticed that Christians and other religious nutters have a bottomless capacity for self-deception which makes intellectual honesty and logical reasoning problematic.

Sudden Sam wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Johnny Bold wrote:If they are but "myths" why be scared?

Who's scared...well, besides you? Religious belief is entirely predicated on fear. Improper behavior invokes divine punishment. It is standard boilerplate hokum practiced by every single religious/spiritual belief system without exception.

Exactly.

What do I have to be scared of? You, Johnny, are the one who's scared.

I don't have to be threatened with eternal damnation in order to treat people right and to be honest and decent. You're weak.

Bode you fellows for not being to shabby at making up stuff about another to suit your opinion of them.
So far you've almost surpassed Felix in that dept.

BSmack wrote:

poptart wrote:Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If Jesus wrestled, would he wrestle for Iowa or Oklahoma State?

He would bring the thunder with a flying elbow smash from the top turnbuckle, little man!

Oooooohhhh Yeahhhhh, brother!

Sudden Sam wrote:I don't have to be threatened with eternal damnation in order to treat people right and to be honest and decent. You're weak.

God doesn't demand us to be upright and good.

He gave us the Gospel because we are spiritaully captured within satan's hand.
We are powerless.

Through belief in Christ, we have freedom.

This is the method God gave for us.


John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


Apart from this, goodness and works can not solve a person's fundamental spiritual problem.
Everyone, without exception, will fail entirely.